Traveling with firearms for security

[caseyc]

I'd be happy to tell your ex-wife that!&nbsp; In turn, can you tell my ex-wives (all 3 of them) the same?! <img class="emoticon bbc_img" src="/images/boards/smilies/biggrin.gif"><img class="emoticon bbc_img" src="/images/boards/smilies/thumb.gif">

 

[Zil]

Could VT could provide a list of State Laws? or find a link that works. I am presently in SJ. It would not be good to carry a long gun outside of hunting season or without a HL. SJ is mostly rural. Any firearm in a vehicle must be unloaded, cased, or locked in trunk. I think this includes handguns, which require a separate permit.&nbsp;<br><br> I once was jailed, charged with possession of a loaded firearm, by State Police. All the shells were spent and in a bag in the glove box! The rifle was cased and locked in the trunk. I was initially arrested for having alcohol (also in the trunk) and a minor in my car. The officer lied under oath about the rifle to increase the charges and his reputation.

 

[Van-Tramp]

<span id="post_message_1278670116"><a href="http://www.handgunlaw.us/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.handgunlaw.us/</a><br><a href="http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-laws.aspx" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-laws.aspx</a><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state<br><br></a>All are great resources with tins of info for each state<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><br></a></span>

 

[RJCooper]

Zil, if you are referencing SJ as southern NJ, I hail from there.&nbsp; Pennsville to be exact.&nbsp; On any internet forum I use my name.&nbsp; I have nothing to hide, I know my rights and will defend them no matter the cost of life, limb or money.&nbsp; <br><br>Now, back to your question.&nbsp; GET OUT OF NJ!!!!!! Period.&nbsp; I lived there for 35 years, made the move to Delaware after that.&nbsp; I do know what you mean by lying under oath.&nbsp; I have several NJSP friends.&nbsp; I have in my life time watch a good state be wrecked by liberal laws that do no good to curb violent crimes, but cause good people hardship.&nbsp; Although never a victim of the laws, I knew way too many who were.&nbsp; <br><br>There is an attorney in NJ his name is Evan Nappen.&nbsp; He wrote a book and updates it on NJ weapon laws.&nbsp; I have the 2006 edition and there is a loop hole for every law. I had a friend that was being persecuted like Tibetan monk at a Chinese Military Ball.&nbsp; He was looking at 30 years with trumped up charges.&nbsp; In the end with a lot of money, several cop friends and Evan Nappen, the officer was not only fired but sued in civil court and lost. <br><br>At one point in NJ, they pasted a law of no rifles holding more than 10 rounds.&nbsp; They made "overnight" 100,000 felons who had bought there guns legally.&nbsp; They also made examples out of several gun shops that still had inventory.&nbsp; <br><br>They did the same thing with the foothold trap (Leg hold to anti trappers).&nbsp; One day they made the trappers of NJ felons.&nbsp; It was and still is illegal to possess a foot hold trap in NJ.&nbsp; A famed trapper in NJ by the name of Newt Sterling had about 20,000 of these traps.&nbsp; They swat teamed his home, arrested him like he was some kind of heroin dealer or mass murderer.&nbsp; It cost him $50,000+ to get off.&nbsp; You see it wasn't that they pasted the law (which was stupid from a wildlife management standpoint), it was the fact you could not load them up and transport them out of state, sell them etc.&nbsp;&nbsp;You&nbsp;had no way of doing anything with them but letting them sit and collect rust.&nbsp; No 30 get them gone, nothing.&nbsp; Same with the 10 round deal.&nbsp; <br><br>Just hey, we made the law, you make a move and your a felon.&nbsp; I feel your pain, but get out.&nbsp; Your freedom is worth more than any job that keeps you there.&nbsp; If family doesn't understand than either explain with true emotion or tell them to stop being a control freak.&nbsp; I did and the wounds healed and all is good.<br><br>Hope this helps, sorry for the rant, but I have a passion.<br><br><br>

 

[Zil]

RJCooper, I know what you mean about a rant. Sometimes I just have to scream out at the moon, and that's illegal here also. I have a few loose ends and I'll be gone again.

 

[RJCooper]

When I left my last property tax bill, was equal to what it costs me to live for 4 months ($6400) on the road.&nbsp; My pledge of death (mort-gage) was $1200.&nbsp; A cheap apartment was $800 and this was a good while as in 10 years ago.&nbsp; <br><br>Funny thing is, in 22 years with the Philly carpenters local, I only worked about 2 yeas tops in NJ.&nbsp; LOL&nbsp; Stupid me. <br><br>Any how to keep it on topic, try and get a concealed carry in NJ.&nbsp; Is not going to happen.&nbsp; No way, No how.&nbsp; My ex called the cops when I came home from work and caught here stealing stuff out of my barn.&nbsp; I sat in my truck did not even get out.&nbsp; When the cops came, it was a guy I went to school with and he also hunted with me.&nbsp; He knew her screws were loose.&nbsp; The next cop that showed, was a guy that she went to&nbsp;school with.&nbsp; She was a few years older.&nbsp; Any how, I said while still sitting in my truck, that only took you guys 17 minute.&nbsp; LOL&nbsp; The cop that I went to school with LOL.&nbsp; He knew if I wanted to, she could of been in trouble and I could have been set up like WACO.&nbsp; lol.&nbsp; <br><br>For all those out there, take care of yourself by whatever mean you feel comfortable.&nbsp; Be it a Ruger, a butter knife, a bat or Wasp spray.&nbsp; It is your unalienable right as a human being.&nbsp; I am pagan/earth spiritual so I won't use the word God, given right.&nbsp;

 

[Ziggy Moon]

I love my Florida CWP, the reciprocity is outstanding. <br><br>With the exclusion of just a couple states, it's reciprocal in every other state I'd ever care to visit. <br><br>Big Smile, <img src="/images/boards/smilies/biggrin.gif" class="emoticon bbc_img"> !!!

 

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My Georgia Weapons Carry License is good in 30 out of 50 states...I just avoid those other liberal 20 states. Lol. If i do have to travel in those areas....I just follow their laws and hurry and get out of those places....lol

 

[Blue]

Great article van tramp...

Ok so gosh like 7 years ago I scored 14th in the nation at the ratton new mexico "over 1000 yards" competition (prone position) beating out 280+ 50.cal shooters mostly military and law enforcement snipers, I got 10 in the pie pan at that 1000 and wind was bad that day... most others didnt. I didnt go to the internationals because I couldent afford more bullets (3.00 per round and needed about 1000 rounds minimum to get ready for the competition was just impossible, even with windrunner sponsoring me and letting me use the 15k rifle I couldent afford the bullets).

saying all that I do not carry a 50. cal with me. not only is it huge and heavy and very very expensive to replace should it get stolen... they couldent ban the gun but they have been banning the sale of 50.cal ammo. since then I've mostly been shooting 300 win mag, more than happy with soft targets over 600 yards. I consider my shooting skills my "doomsday prepper" preps as if I can get you and you cant get me I survive and get all the stuff you've spent hundreds of thousands on hording.

I also like the sager 12 clip fed auto shotgun (looks and works like an AK-47, I got the short stock, barrel clip, and pistol grips) this is my anti-zombie room clearing gun.

I dont carry a pistol... yet... when I do I plan on a simple 22.LR for concealability, something quiet with high clip capacity then I want to practice reaction shooting (those guys who compete are amazing!).

"but living in california... you dont have access to concealed carry permits right? I mean they just deny without cause anybody who applies."

Not anymore they dont...

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...h-circuit-strikes-good-cause-carry-provision/

Now California may not be able to deny concealed weapons permits without good cause (like living in a rural area where sheriff response time is over 45 min like where I live) finally...

 

[TALLMAN]

I have a Florida CWP and carry a 38 revolver in the compartment over the drivers seat. A couple years ago, a car run off the road into a field about 2 A.M in the morning near Richmond Va, we slowed to see what happen and a young women came running toward our vehicle screaming that He was trying to kill her. We let her in the car and decided to take her to a friends house, rather then call the police, seem quicker then calling the police, was dispute between a man that wanted a relationship and a married women that didn't.

He was following us, I am glad we had a gun handy, but then I usually do. I have never had any thing stolen or bother at least by human beings while camping and have been camping for 50 years.

 

[Geodoc]

If you plan on carrying, then you should also plan on the before and aftereffects of a shooting. I highly recommend joining the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Fund - lots of good video training, a monthly newsletter (attorneys and self-defense experts), and financial assistance in case you're involved in a shooting. Even after several years in law enforcements, I learned a lot of valuable information here.

 

[Prisoner Of Knowledge]

Hi all, I was just wondering for an experienced opinion. Do you/would you trust 12g bean-bag rounds for self defense. Van Tramp, excellent thread. I would trust my local Govt./Police force - were you employed by it. Thanks in advance.

 

[spd2918]

Bean bag rounds are usually effective unless the person is high, mentally ill, or has thick clothing on. If he is actually trying to kill you I would not use them.

They used to be called "Less than lethal" but are now more appropriately called "Less lethal." They can still kill.

 

[Prisoner Of Knowledge]

Thanks Spd2918. I have a friend who says "never shoot anything with a bean bag round that you wouldn't shoot with a lethal round". I like this philosophy, but then, it negates the attempt at "less lethal" force - doesn't it? I hate to say it, but with a robber I'd love to just subdue. A rapist, a murderer - different story. Dunno...perplexed.

 

[Van-Tramp]

Yep, if I am going to pull then I am fully expecting to use the full lethality of that weapon. If I were to go out of my way to use a less-lethal bullet, then I shouldn't be pulling that weapon at all. If killing is not required, then neither is the gun.

Guns are not meant to be "less lethal", nor are the laws about using that gun. Prepare to kill or don't draw at all. That's my opinion anyway.

 

[offroad]

Truly wonder about this. The bluster of killing someone who might kill you, is easy to build a sense of bravery. Lethal self defense is perception of danger. Can a black man carry a shotgun and be ready to shoot in self defense? Or will the local police gun him down. Would like to read stories of soldiers and policemen who have had to do this. Kill to defend. And the psychiatric toll later. And why we have a segment of society that says no to lethal force. When we have whole countries that refuse to answer lethal force with lethal force. Spilt second decision sounds impossible to defend later. Except if you are a policeman or a soldier or many miles minutes from lawful help.

 

[SoulRaven]

Offroad, I cannot answer your question about a black man carrying a weapon, that gets into the racial thing and I stay well away from that.

As far as a military person killing a combatant on the the other team, I think it affects each individual differently. I remember the first time I saw the results of my rounds to a 'bad guy'. I don't regret it, if I had delayed I would not be typing this but it stands out in my memory. There were others, but they tend to blend into a sort of haze, for lack of a better word.

My MOS (job) in the Marine Corps was the enlisted part of an F.O. Team. called in artillery. 0846 Field Artillery Scout Observer, is the actual job.. No longer exists I am told .. And as an 18 or 19 year old man I could bring hellfire and damnation to villages, troops or whatever. Does the memory linger? Certainly. The taking of lives is something that many say they would, but the fact is (to me) the aftermath may not be worth it.

You asked about bravery, I saw many acts of bravery but they were reactions, not some idea of being brave.. Just reactions. Some do extraordinary things while in combat.. some not so much. Just like in real life.

I don't judge any person by what they say they will do.. Proof is in the doing..I don't know if I answered any of your questions.. I tried.. Be safe.

 

[offroad]

Bobj - you answered so much and more thank you. Am glad you are around to share some reality.

 

[akrvbob]

It's an important question that most of us can't really answer. Intellectually I think I'm ready to kill to defend my life or someone elses life, but who knows if I really can.

I've read that in WW II the army estimates that up to 20% of our troops on the front lines would aim to miss, they couldn't bring themselves to kill. They were brave, honorable men that faced the risks like every other soldier, they just couldn't kill. They're still heroes!
Bob

 

[VanLifeCrisis]

I talk to a guy every week who served 10 years in prison for shooting a man. This person came to his property with other assailents, threatened to kill him and his family, said he had a gun, reached into his pocket to pull it out. He didn't have a gun in his pocket turns out, i guess that's why the guy got manslaughter. It sounds to me like i woulda done the same but you might still go away.