I played with my poop
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My point is you should really consider using technology **specifically designed** as a solution for the issueQinReno said:
and that does not necessarily have anything to do with "simply tossing in the dumpster".
After 2-3 weeks of stirring, venting and breaking down into the coir or whatever, you **no longer have a bag of poop**. I'd be happy to allow a visitor to put their van's Airhead output into my kitchen trash bin, no problem.
And it is much more environmentally responsible,
assuming you would be a thoughtful owner that uses their brain and common sense,
than any solution involving formaldehyde or other toxic chemicals.
But OK, I'll leave it at that, if your mind's made up.
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QinReno said:Both valid, but pretend you're living out on BLM land for 2 weeks and the nearest toilet is 5 miles away. And you're surrounded by 50 other people in vans. You're not in Florida anymore, lenny.
The further in the wild you are, the easier it is to poop. All you need is a hole in the ground.
I don't consider living in the same spot as 50 other people to be "wild". It's a campground. Like any other campground, it should have a proper toilet facility. Or it should have fewer people so it's NOT a campground.
Of course I live mostly in a spot with at least 50 other people too--it's called "Walmart". Fortunately, there's a toilet there.
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QinReno said:
The cover of darkness or a big beach towel would work, depending on your schedule relative to time of day. But we stray from the OP, and I'm just as interested in another solution as well.
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Being mobile one has four alternatives:
Burying it is a good alternative for small quantities in places where it is environmentally safe to do so. But you are still left with how to dispose of soiled toilet paper and the poop container, which is also considered bio-waste. Most people bury the tp in the hole but that is not environmentally correct.
Dump stations, pit toilets, someone's toilet are options that have their own 'ick' factor. Cassette toilets, composting toilets, black tanks, and dumping poop out of bags fit here. Although one has to be careful about dumping composting toilet remains into a regular toilet. It can clog things up fast, better to dump in garbage or bury.
Incineration is energy intensive, so not a good solution for van dwellers. And it smells.
Depositing into the garbage waste stream has the advantage of being convenient and readily available. Of the four it is the least environment friendly but in most places it is burying it on a large scale.
Oh, I forgot:
5. You can put it in a paper bag, set it someone's porch, light the bag on fire, ring the doorbell, and run
Unless you have kept your poop at ~160ºF for 6+ weeks you still have a bag of poop. It might be dry, no disagreeable smell, and look like coffee grounds, but is still poop and needs to be handled as such.
- Bury it.
- Deposit into the sewage waste stream.
- Incinerate it.
- Deposit it in the garbage waste stream.
Burying it is a good alternative for small quantities in places where it is environmentally safe to do so. But you are still left with how to dispose of soiled toilet paper and the poop container, which is also considered bio-waste. Most people bury the tp in the hole but that is not environmentally correct.
Dump stations, pit toilets, someone's toilet are options that have their own 'ick' factor. Cassette toilets, composting toilets, black tanks, and dumping poop out of bags fit here. Although one has to be careful about dumping composting toilet remains into a regular toilet. It can clog things up fast, better to dump in garbage or bury.
Incineration is energy intensive, so not a good solution for van dwellers. And it smells.
Depositing into the garbage waste stream has the advantage of being convenient and readily available. Of the four it is the least environment friendly but in most places it is burying it on a large scale.
Oh, I forgot:
5. You can put it in a paper bag, set it someone's porch, light the bag on fire, ring the doorbell, and run
John61CT said:
Unless you have kept your poop at ~160ºF for 6+ weeks you still have a bag of poop. It might be dry, no disagreeable smell, and look like coffee grounds, but is still poop and needs to be handled as such.
Yeah, what a great image, 50 people in the night wandering out in the BLM wearing beach towels. LOL.rm.w/aview said:
OTOH, 1/2 the people probably need to go first thing in the morning sunshine. That image is even worse to contemplate. Being the night time variety, and looking out the window first thing in the morning. Then trying to scramble eggs and cook sausage. Oh my.
Oh, and imagine that you're one of the more introverted types, so you parked out on the periphery in the first place. Shadowy figures walking by all night long, and hiding behind bushes in the morning light. So great.
No, that might be a viable solution. 50 van dwellers will certainly have big bond fires every single night. Toss your goodies in the fire. I like it.Spaceman Spiff said:
And look at the cool statistics. 50 people twice a day for 2 weeks ... 1400 little deliveries to desert, bond fires, or dumpsters.
From the ecosystem's POV, how so?Spaceman Spiff said:
Given there are millions of tons of actual long-term dangerously toxic substances handled by our solid waste stream systems.
To me, like saying peeing into New York's East River is going to do harm.
QinReno said:
So, as an alternative to pooing in a bag and tossing it in the trash does anyone just go directly into a container (no absorbent medium) and then daily take that container and dump it in the nearest toilet? It occurs to me that there would be smells involved, and keeping the container tidy would be a PITA. But it wouldn't involve wrapping an inherently biodegradable product that we produce daily in a plastic bag as if it's something precious we're trying to keep safe for decades.
Speaking of that...
Another "alternative" to throwing it away would be to just go ahead and become "that guy" and collect it... Mason jars maybe??? Not a great idea, but it does fit with the 'alternatives to just throwing away bags of poop' directive. [emoji16]
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one person peeing in a pond is no big deal. one million people peeing in a pond is a big deal. it amazes me how people rationalize throwing their poo in the trash. like I said read the fine print on a diaper bag. highdesertranger
There's a couple of new ideas,AMGS3 said:
. Regards the first, probably be less of mess to just use a regular porta-potti. Regards the second, there can a "designated" guy pulling a cargo trailer lined with shelves like so, room for 1400 bottles ... Any volunteers? Raise your hand. - https://i.etsystatic.com/11011077/r/il/f45348/758527778/il_fullxfull.758527778_bbnf.jpg
Oooo Q I just thought of another idea! Another alternative idea. Though as I see it this would require a fairly drastic lifestyle change for at least one person. So somebody could convert the cab of a septic pumping truck so they could live in it. They could just collect everybody's waste products (for an appropriate fee) in the tank, and when they get enough, deposit them at a sewage treatment facility. Honestly I have never thought about where septic pumper trucks are dumped. Never had to.
Alternative enough?
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Alternative enough?
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Now we know why sanitation workers get paid so much and get all those job paid for shots and immunizations. Ever hike through open range BLM land? What really amazes me is untill I spent the winter in a national park I didn't know coyotes were not only smart but like to get back at all the humans that run them off in the summer by exclusively shitting on the sidewalks all winter long. By spring there is a pile every couple feet on every sidewalk and seldom anywhere else. You can tell their scat because they are about the only mammal that eats Russian Olives. I use a hole for solids most of the time and a pee bottle for liquids. I usually can find a toliet or RV dump station to dump them in and wash them out at the dump station with Lysol. I figure I am doing a better job of cleaning up than most pet owners and new born parents. If in town just go to the local dog park and put in the trash container there with all the other little green bags. If you really want to make friends wait around a while till someone's pet pisses on you shoe and pull out your pee bottle and douse them good as pay back! I once had a bunch of those red hazardous waste bags to be used to despose of asbestos dust. Just out of couriousity is put regular dirt and dust out of the janitors sweeper in a bunch with my name and phone number printed on them next to the warning never to dispose of them in regular trash but properly in sealed drums by an authorized authority. Did this for a whole school year and never got a call. I imagine lots worse stuff than poop is in the garbage nowdays.
On an additional note those of you who believe in recycling our recycle guy here in the park would rather the plastic bags that have had poop in them go in the regular trash rather than the plastic recycle bin he has to seperate and clean. He has posted them with "NO HUMAN WASTE" but still gets some every day. He doesn't like dogs or kids much anymore, I have not invited him to this fourm.
Good thinking Angie. That might be too drastic for a lifestyle change for any one soul, definitely would be needing a really "game" volunteer, and probably $40,000 for the truck,AMGS3 said:
. But another idea would be to get a tank like the following and mount it on a trailer that anybody with a hitch could pull. It could be painted a pretty pink color to look like a pig.- https://www.plastic-mart.com/product/173/525-gallon-horizontal-leg-tank-40181
Expensive truck:
- http://www.imperialind.com/commerci...nks-trailers/portable-restroom-service-tanks/
- https://www.promonthly.com/online_e...for_your_next_portable_restroom_service_truck
Overall, a cheap solution, you park the trailer off a ways, and everyone just empties their waste into it each day. Then the group pays for dumping it somewheres. I have no idea what that would cost, but I'm sure the logistics could be worked out. Not the solution for a 1/off traveler, but a possible solution for a group of 50 people who normally use kitty litter bags. Good thinking, Angie.
Probably the reason for a waste disposal company. You could just use a portable 35 gallon blue tank on wheels with a big funnel for small groups or long term stays. This is what I use for long term stays that don't allow gray water on the ground. You just stand it up to dump in a RV dump station and it has a handle that can go over a trailer ball to pull short distances at walking speed. Quartsite and many RV parks have mobile pumpout services along with potable water delivery I believe.
Yeah a smallish tank could be dumped at the regular RV dump place, not so easily a large tank. You would need to know how much waste a group of say 10 people would make in a week, or whatever, and extrapolate to figure out how big a tank would be desirable. I imagine most people with self-contained RVs could already estimate this.
Another possibility would be that all the people with real RVs in the group could flip a coin, and the "winner" would offer their holding tanks up for the van dwellers to use. Such altruism would be admirable.
I think Angie has spawned an entirely new evolutionary tract here,.
Another possibility would be that all the people with real RVs in the group could flip a coin, and the "winner" would offer their holding tanks up for the van dwellers to use. Such altruism would be admirable.
I think Angie has spawned an entirely new evolutionary tract here,
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Why not just a port-a-john.
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lenny flank said:The further in the wild you are, the easier it is to poop. All you need is a hole in the ground.
I don't consider living in the same spot as 50 other people to be "wild". It's a campground. Like any other campground, it should have a proper toilet facility. Or it should have fewer people so it's NOT a campground.
Of course I live mostly in a spot with at least 50 other people too--it's called "Walmart". Fortunately, there's a toilet there.
One for about every 200 people at my local one -- and often filthy! I'm old ... not THAT old, but ... too old to wait that long anymore.
