Van shopping...

[digitaldervish]

i'm fairly new to the idea of van dwelling, although I'm not a stranger to car dwelling. After some research, I'm pretty sure I prefer a van to an RV for full timing based on my needs. So now I've started shoppingn vans and have some questions. 

I've only owned a few cars and my only experience shopping is really with a dealer. Owned a trusty Honda Accord for 14 years, and now a Toyota Prius. Where should I be shopping for a van? Craigslist? I'm assuming I should stay away from used car dealers. Any others places I should shop?

Also on Craigslist I'm seeing that vans a quite often overpriced compared to kelly blue book. I found a nice conversion van for $5400. I thought that sounded decent. Checked out the blu book value, and at the high end of private party value I see it priced at $2800. Is this normal, or does it have to do with my area (Los Angeles)? I'm wondering if shopping elsewhere would be a  good idea. Or should I expect to haggle everyone down by about 50%?

Having never shopped for a van, is there anything I should look out for that a veteran can shopper would know about?

 

[29chico]

I don't think that is just vehicles that are overpriced on CL.  Nearly everything is it seems to me, and not by a little.  Makes trying to buy something a strange situation.

 

[Optimistic Paranoid]

When I was shopping, I looked at both Craigs List and Ebay Motors.  I thought the better stuff was listed on Ebay.  A lot of what's on Craigs list is junk.

I don't know how much time you've got to find your van, but you can watch vans on Ebay, and after they sell, you can see what they sold for.  Which will give you a feel for what real world prices are really like.  FWIW, Ebay seems to offer an interesting warranty on vehicles, which you might want to read up on.

Having said all that, I finally ended up buying a used truck from a Ford dealer.

Regards
John

 

[Gary68]

also local classifieds both paper and online

 

[digitaldervish]

Doesn't look like you can edit posts... just thought of another question though. I'm trying to figure out what my budget for a van should be. I think I can come up with about 20k for a van build, is that overkill? Reliability is up there on my list of important features. I'm also thinking a high top is necessary since I'm 6' and like to be able to stretch out. If I find a van that doesn't have one, I'll want to have one put on.

Is there a year range that I should be wanting to look at? I'm thinking in my price range I could afford something as new as 2010. But I also recall reading a thread that talked about the advantages of being smog exempt.

 

[Optimistic Paranoid]

Be very, very careful of Ford vans in a certain range of years.  The engines were notorious for spark plug problems that were EXPENSIVE to fix when they happened.  Just Google "Ford Spark Plug Problems" for more details, and you'll find which years and engines had these issues.

Regards
John

 

[WheelEstate USA]

Personally, I won't have anything less than a 1 ton.
More ground clearance, bigger tires, and chances are you'll not overload with a build and your stuff.

We have the long Dodge, but check out the 1 ton extended Chevy cargo. You can cut in windows where you want them.

Never pay asking price.
Barter...someone out there has a good van and wants a good car.
Shop outside your area too.

Include solar in your build plans.

 

[digitaldervish]

Personally, I won't have anything less than a 1 ton.
More ground clearance, bigger tires, and chances are you'll not overload with a build and your stuff.

We have the long Dodge, but check out the 1 ton extended Chevy cargo. You can cut in windows where you want them.

Never pay asking price.
Barter...someone out there has a good van and wants a good car.
Shop outside your area too.

Include solar in your build plans.

Excellent info. I'm curious about the 1-ton decision. To what does that refer exactly? I see 1/2-ton, 3/4-ton, and 1-ton. I found a thread by Acrete that has a Chevy express 1/2-ton and that looks like the kind of build I would love to do. So I had been looking at 1/2-ton, but now I wonder if I should be looking for something bigger.  Does the tonnage have to do with hauling power, or carry weight, or engine size or what?

 

[SternWake]

1 ton vans will usually have the largest engine option offered, as well as thicker coil springs up front and more numerous leaf springs in the back.


The rear Axle might be a full floating axle instead of a semi floating axle, as these can handle carrying more weight.  The drum brakes brakes on these HD axles are also larger and the wheel diameter to fit over these drums need to be 16 inch or larger. Their front brake rotors might also be larger

The 1/2 and 3/4 ton Vans usually have 5 lug nuts on their wheels, 1 ton vans usually have 8 or 10 lug nuts per wheel.

1 ton vans might come with a heavier duty transmission and might have an additional transmission cooler in addition to the one inside the radiator.  The 1 ton Van might also have a motor oil cooler inside the radiator or perhaps outside it as well.

My 89 B250 is a 3/4 ton and only has 5 lug nuts on the 15inch wheels. I've had no weight related issues, but I am not quite sure how close to max weight I am running either.
 While Pirelli makes a load range D tire for a 15 inch rim, the best one can otherwise  do for weight rating  is Load range C or an XL extra load version of a passenger tire which has to be derated nearly 10% on a tall vehicle like a van or truck.  There is not much of  an overhead buffer with these tires. 

With 16 inch rims one can get tires that can handle carrying significantly more weight.

The 1 ton van unloaded will ride much rougher than an empty 3/4 ton van.

So a 1 ton van leaves much more options for a dweller looking to build one out, but I would not fear a 3/4 ton if a good one is found for a good price.  the 1/2 ton is certainly more questionable and one must pay more attention to the weight they stuff inside. 

To my 3/4 ton, I have added rear airbags to assist my rear leaf springs, replaced the front coils with thicker coils. My KYB gas a just shocks are stiff and inspire confidence in the way the van handles.  I have Brembo rotors up front with Hawk HPS pads and these pads have a tremendous amount of bite.  They are very resistant to fading when they are hot and also have a lot of bite when wet.  I've added an additional transmission cooler as well as an External transmission filter as my a-500/42RH transmission is not really a burly HD transmission. The A518/46RH is much more stout.

 It still is no one ton Van, but it is also more capable than most 3/4 ton vans from the same era.

 

[WheelEstate USA]

In general, the 1 ton is heavier duty, will carry more, and has more ground clearance. If you plan to camp in more remote places it will handle dirt roads, ruts, and such much easier.
After having the extra room in the extended models you won't want a "shorty".
This is my 8th van and I'll never have one less than the 1 ton extended again.

 

[idn88]

This is why new cars are so popular.

Not all used car dealers are bad (however the "buy here - pay here" crowd usually should be avoided). Sometimes the corner lots are owned by someone just trying to make a living.

Craigslist can work, but those often are dealers also (even if they don't mention it). There is also an inherent risk in buying things from Craigslist - referring to your personal safety - not just buying something bad.

Whatever you do, assume anything anyone tells you is a lie (without proof - for example receipts) and have anything your buying checked out completely by an independent mechanic you trust before exchanging any funds.

 

[SoulRaven]

I totally agree with 1 ton extended body all the way.

 

[SoulRaven]

This is why new cars are so popular.

New cars are only popular because we are continually fed the falsehood that newer is better.

Not all used car dealers are bad (however the "buy here - pay here" crowd usually should be avoided).  Sometimes the corner lots are owned by someone just trying to make a living.

The Buy Here-Pay Here lots are frequently among the better choices, because they won't sell a vehicle on time payments unless they're relatively sure that the vehicle won't have any issues until after it is paid off.  Likewise, many will offer free repairs until it is paid off as well.
 
Craigslist can work, but those often are dealers also (even if they don't mention it).  There is also an inherent risk in buying things from Craigslist - referring to your personal safety - not just buying something bad.

Whatever you do, assume anything anyone tells you is a lie (without proof - for example receipts) and have anything your buying checked out completely by an independent mechanic you trust before exchanging any funds.

Don't trust the proof/receipts either!

 

[digitaldervish]

Any opinions on this van? Is it worth $6,500?

92 Chevy G10 Shorty Van
V6 4.3L
118K original miles
Built bed on inside and new carpeting
Custom windows throughout
Clean title, ready to go

 

[digitaldervish]

Here is another van that caught my eye. I really like the body style of these shorty vans, I guess because they were the "cool" vans from when I was growing up. Not sure about the wisdom of going with older vans like this however.

1980 Chevy Van G20
Good condition
$3,500

Not much else as far as info, but any thoughts?

 

[cortttt]

1 ton vans will usually have the largest engine option offered, as well as thicker coil springs up front and more numerous leaf springs in the back.


The rear Axle might be a full floating axle instead of a semi floating axle, as these can handle carrying more weight.  The drum brakes brakes on these HD axles are also larger and the wheel diameter to fit over these drums need to be 16 inch or larger. Their front brake rotors might also be larger

The 1/2 and 3/4 ton Vans usually have 5 lug nuts on their wheels, 1 ton vans usually have 8 or 10 lug nuts per wheel.

1 ton vans might come with a heavier duty transmission and might have an additional transmission cooler in addition to the one inside the radiator.  The 1 ton Van might also have a motor oil cooler inside the radiator or perhaps outside it as well.

My 89 B250 is a 3/4 ton and only has 5 lug nuts on the 15inch wheels. I've had no weight related issues, but I am not quite sure how close to max weight I am running either.
 While Pirelli makes a load range D tire for a 15 inch rim, the best one can otherwise  do for weight rating  is Load range C or an XL extra load version of a passenger tire which has to be derated nearly 10% on a tall vehicle like a van or truck.  There is not much of  an overhead buffer with these tires. 

With 16 inch rims one can get tires that can handle carrying significantly more weight.

The 1 ton van unloaded will ride much rougher than an empty 3/4 ton van.

So a 1 ton van leaves much more options for a dweller looking to build one out, but I would not fear a 3/4 ton if a good one is found for a good price.  the 1/2 ton is certainly more questionable and one must pay more attention to the weight they stuff inside. 

To my 3/4 ton, I have added rear airbags to assist my rear leaf springs, replaced the front coils with thicker coils. My KYB gas a just shocks are stiff and inspire confidence in the way the van handles.  I have Brembo rotors up front with Hawk HPS pads and these pads have a tremendous amount of bite.  They are very resistant to fading when they are hot and also have a lot of bite when wet.  I've added an additional transmission cooler as well as an External transmission filter as my a-500/42RH transmission is not really a burly HD transmission. The A518/46RH is much more stout.

 It still is no one ton Van, but it is also more capable than most 3/4 ton vans from the same era.

This is a great discussion - I am dealing with this question right now. I may be able to get a low mileage 3/4 ton Chevy at a good price. I wouldn't be able to get as good a price on a 1 ton.

Do you know where we can go to assess the differences between a 1 ton and 3/4 ton in a given year? I'm particularly interested in the Chevy's/GMC's from 2010 on.

What's mpg bite in the 1 tons vs 3/4 tons? How much do you lose? 1-2 mpg?

 

[cortttt]

also local classifieds both paper and online

Check out Cars.com and Autotrader - lots of cars on those sites, mostly dealer, some private.

 

[cortttt]

Check out Cars.com and Autotrader - lots of cars on those sites, mostly dealer, some private.

Does the Chevy/GMC 3500 only come in the extended version?

• 2500 Regular Wheelbase Cargo Vans have 270.4 cu. ft.† of maximum cargo space and a GVWR of 8,600 lbs.†
• 3500 Extended Wheelbase models have a massive 313.9 cu. ft.† of cargo space and a GVWR of 9,600 lbs.†

http://www.chevrolet.com/express/cargo.html

 

[cortttt]

Does the Chevy/GMC 3500 only come in the extended version?  

• 2500 Regular Wheelbase Cargo Vans have 270.4 cu. ft.† of maximum cargo space and a GVWR of 8,600 lbs.†
• 3500 Extended Wheelbase models have a massive 313.9 cu. ft.† of cargo space and a GVWR of 9,600 lbs.†

http://www.chevrolet.com/express/cargo.html

I answered my own question. It comes in regular wheelbase as well.

Check this out though. Ground clearance in the front is a bit lower for the 3500 (and half an inch higher in the rear)


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[29chico]

This is a great discussion - I am dealing with this question right now. I may be able to get a low mileage 3/4 ton Chevy at a good price. I wouldn't be able to get as good a price on a 1 ton.

Do you know where we can go to assess the differences between a 1 ton and 3/4 ton in a given year? I'm particularly interested in the Chevy's/GMC's from 2010 on.

What's mpg bite in the 1 tons vs 3/4 tons? How much do you lose? 1-2 mpg?

Is it safe to assume that you have come up with a way to overcome the seat issue?

My research into the g2500 vs g3500 vans, in the same years that you are looking at, suggested that in some cases the g3500 actually get better mileage on the highway than the g2500.   In the case of the 2012 g3500 that I now have vs the 2015 G2500 (both extended) that I drove around the Southwest for a couple of weeks last year, it is now looking like the g3500 from 2012 does get better mileage.  My van has a semi floating bearing set up in the rear axle.  If it had a full floating setup the MPG's would be less.  Of course, YMMV...