Making $100 at a Casino, professional gambler discussion

[rruff]

I'm guessing that you look for a period of black dominating, then bet when that appears to turn in red's favor... and quit as soon as you get x$ ahead... or behind...? If your bet is 1, then what would x be?

And you are saying that you don't have an algorithm for spotting these trends?

 

[gizmotron]

I don't use computers to find trends that are working. You should know that there are times when trends don't work in your favor. That's when people get killed off by them. If that were not true and trends always worked then there wouldn't be casinos. I try to get one or two wins off of each feature that dominates. I even teach observing the size of trends. They sometimes come in swarms of similarity. Randomness is a vast ocean of characteristics. There are more common ones and there are fantastic rare occurrences. It all comes down to the skill and level of looking deep into the data flow. This is all done in your head and comes from experience in recognition. It's like a musician that reads music. You grind along until you reach your low level goal. Some people advocate for one net win and done. I sometimes go for three net wins and done.

If all you need to travel is gas money and a place to park then $50 a day is more than enough. Two $25 net wins is $50. With all the swings up and down on a random table getting two net wins is almost a certainty. It just takes skill, the ability to wait for it, and turning off all greed. It's not that easy. Most people would experience fear. That leads to strategic mistakes. There's way more to this than just bet selection and timing.

 

[gizmotron]

So I can make money as an instructor by offering a full money back course where I travel with the student and bring them along to the point of proving it to me and them. That's fun for me. I love watching a person when they get it. Then they learn how to overcome their fears and lay it all on the line. That's fun too. And I get paid doing what I love to do. There are people that would love to make $50 to $100 a day sitting on a stool waiting for randomness to show off its weakness. The casinos are clueless to all this because they believe their own propaganda and they believe in the weaknesses of human nature. They have no idea that they are sitting ducks.

 

[gizmotron]

When I taught this online through e-mail back and forth it took two hours per day for two months straight. That comes to 120 hours. At $1,000 that comes to $8.33 per hour. That's not even minimum wage in some states. Now that included the lag time of e-mail and talking about examples of charts with images back and forth. A person teaching this face to face can move along at least 4 times faster. The student still needs to practice and document results all along the way so that they can see their own progress. But that can be reported back to the instructor and discussed very fast each day. I've never taught this face to face. But it must cut the time of explaining it by hundreds and hundreds of percent. There is no substitute for students doing their own documented practice sessions. These are critical to see where any student might be having difficulties. Once a course is completed a student can become the teacher and go on to teach others. That is a way to make money while boondocking.

 

[RonDean]

This is one of those subjects where everyone has an opinion. Here's mine.

I once worked for Caesar's and helped run a computer service that feed sports and para-mutual odds to smaller casinos and bookies. Most of my friends were dealers or pit bosses or otherwise "in the business." What did I learn? It's called gambling (ok, gaming by the casinos) for a reason. Odds are odds. There is no such thing as a streak you can anticipate in roulette - if it's an honest wheel. Just like flipping a coin heads 100 times in a row is still only 50/50 on getting tails on the next flip. That's the probability for you.

Cards - or more precisely Black Jack ... OK, that's not as random as a wheel. If you count (or remember) what has already been played, sometimes you can improve your odds. That is assuming there is an imbalance in the remaining cards. That is why casinos are watching and quick to ban you if they catch on. There is no appeal process. They make the rules and they get to decide.

I watched more than a few "professional gamblers" come and go. For various reasons. Horses were the worst for people making a buck selling information, usually made up BS. If someone did actually have inside info it was illegal or worse - at least for the horses.

Anyway, pay someone for a "system" and you are already gambling. And the odds are against you. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my opinion and I'm sticking with it. So, don't bother trying to convince me otherwise.

 

[gizmotron]

@ RonDean It's fine that you have a mathematical / statistical based opinion. You are saying exactly what the casinos believe about their winnings, and their advantage. I'm that guy that has set out to dismantle all those beliefs and have been documented that this is my intensions for more than a decade. Your belief in casinos is fine. But my goal is to mess up all that is believed in the mathematical world. I'm just using casinos as my validation. I know for a fact that almost all that you just said is the now believed truth. My purpose in making a student pay $1,000 to be trained by me serves one and only one purpose. They show commitment to learning. Nothing is free. Not only do I don't want to convince you, I have set out to deliberately make sure that those that stood against me get to know that they were totally and completely wrong. If the nomads reject this then I might find a better way to bring the reality of Reading Randomness to the throngs of the world. I'm glad that you reject it. You are in great company. So far it has been confined to a very small group that have discussed it and some have tried it and perfected it on their own. So thank you for expressing your opinion very well.

 

[rruff]

If the nomads reject this then I might find a better way to bring the reality of Reading Randomness to the throngs of the world.

If you want people to accept it, you just have to prove it works. That shouldn't be too hard?

I had a look at a few pages of the GF forum where you discuss this: https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/reading-randomness.14733/page-6
It's 115 pages though, so I couldn't read it all!

I'm wondering why you posted the "Monty Hall Problem" video above, and how that relates to what you do? I don't see any connection.

It appears that you are looking for patterns and riding them (betting on them) until they are over; then waiting for a new pattern to develop and riding that. How can this work if the games are truly random?

 

[gizmotron]

You don't have your answers because not reading how I have already given the answers is the way to learn it. That thread is a self taught method. It has all the answers. It also has others there in it that have done the work to understand it and have stated in the thread that you must do your own work to understand it and to perfect it. It's a process. You study. You take notes. You read it and you re read it. That is what those that heave learned it have had to do. They have also practiced and practiced going from not so good to incredible from a mathematical perspective. I'm very proud of those that have set out to learn and be skilled at it.

"How can this work if the games are truly random?"

The game never stops being random. There are times when trends work and there are times when trends don't work because of a perfect sequence that kills off the player. A skilled player knows this and deliberately avoids paying the casino at those times. In other words the mathematics for losing still happens as expected but the player does not fund those moments. So the casino gets almost nothing from their advantage. Yet when the trends are favorable and working the player knows to fund those sequences. It's not magical. It does not rely on statistical inferences. It's observational and conditional. You must know how to read randomness through a construct I devised based on characteristics and situational awareness of temporary global tendencies. I know that sounds like a bunch of word salad.

I'm not the one that is confused by my made up jargon. I just invented it so that after a person becomes skillful they understand the language of reading randomness and it's relational syntax. I invented the construct, identified the characteristics, and devised a logical strategy that deals directly with greed. My self taught thread has already validated itself in the successes of others.

The point is that you are exposed to this at the ground floor. This is before it is too late. Reading Randomness will wipe out the casino games Roulette, Baccarat, Craps, and Blackjack. It will have a profound effect on the validation process for statistical research experimentation. All that will occur beyond the realm of gambling. It will effect actuary tables for the insurance world.

 

[rruff]

The point is that you are exposed to this at the ground floor. This is before it is too late. Reading Randomness will wipe out the casino games Roulette, Baccarat, Craps, and Blackjack. It will have a profound effect on the validation process for statistical research experimentation. All that will occur beyond the realm of gambling. It will effect actuary tables for the insurance world.

All you need to do it prove it, right? Why are you not interested in doing this?

Also, I would still like to know why you posted the Monty Hall video, as that isn't a case of randomness at all.

 

[gizmotron]

Also, I would still like to know why you posted the Monty Hall video, as that isn't a case of randomness at all.

OK, there is a guy who helped me out several years ago that lives in Malesia somewhere. He goes to Macau on weekends to win more than a quarter of a million dollars a trip doing this playing Baccarat. He showed me the concept of 20 times your minimum base value bet some 4 or 5 years ago.

Regarding the Monty Hall video. I explained this right here in this thread already. It's called variable change in the video. I explain reading randomness as being similar and labeled it coincidental change. Variable change is mathematical and coincidental change is by randomness. Both use the exact same strategy, attack the opportunity while it occurs. Now you admittedly don't know the primary secret to this method. There is a deeper meaning behind knowing what an opportunity is. I explain all that. I've not kept it hidden. I have no intention of rewriting the Reading Randomness thread here just for anyone that is not willing to go get it where it is published.

 

[rruff]

Fair enough... I'll read more there when I can.

 

[gizmotron]

I apologize here for the straight forward rudeness I deal with there in that thread. It's the wild west there. I've been dealing with these skeptics over this subject since 2006. I know most of the skeptics and know where they stand. Letting people see a different way can sometimes undermine the very foundation of their beliefs. This thread over there was the first time I took all the information and just say it without reservation or holding back. It has proven to be true too. You can tell people how to beat the casinos but if it involves work and developing skill almost all people will not be willing to work for it. Most people want to turn their brains off and pretend that you can just treat the casino like your own personal ATM machine. Sorry but this is taking advantage of weaknesses offered through common randomness. The only reason this has been overlooked for more than 200 years is that they never got past the times when it does not work. But I pushed through all that and found a way to side step those times. It's so simple a third grader can do it.

 

[RonDean]

My final argument is that anyone that could really beat the casinos would be better off proving it by taking their money instead of some poor and maybe desperate traveling nomad. Such a person ought to be living large and not messing around with our pennies and dimes. Unless, of course, he was a Nigerian Prince that is just trying to get around a few technical difficulties and will eventually pay us back our lost money. That would certainly be different. Or, maybe not.

BTW, moderators... Isn't selling stuff here something like against the rules? Maybe even a (dare I say it?) scam? How is this different?

 

[gizmotron]

Your final argument is just that as an uninformed opinion. If no nomads want a free way to make money, I offered it all for free, and it's still there for free. I thought that using the method I already did once before, more than three years ago, might cause interest. It's suggest that you can earn $8.33 an hour teaching Reading Randomness. But you must first prove to yourself that you can actually beat the casinos at the typical rate of 2 to 1 on even chance bets in the aggregate. In other words this could be a job opportunity. All you have to do is endure the slings and arrows of those that need to stand up against it. This Covid-19 thing is winding down. The casinos are opening. And I'm getting my van done this summer. I'm giving real thought to making a huge newsworthy impact on the gambling world and using it to force the academic world of statistical reason to re look at their own mathematical beliefs.

This is what I think. Nomads are worth it. You have not made me give up on them. If one person from here learns this, makes money, and is part of the discovery that goes virial then It will be worth it to me. If none succeed at it then I doubt that you will find a single person that has been hurt by it or me. I presented it, I provided software for practice and made it at thing where the self driven student proves to themselves how good they are or not. Nothing happens. Not one single dime is lost learning how to do this.

I'm not selling it. If you want personal face to face instructions then it will cost you. It could be from me or it could be from any person that has worked hard enough to perfect it to the point of being able to teach it to others. It could even be you. But my instincts tell me that you would rather warn people of its dangers.

Anyway. I'm thinking of going big time and paying monster sized taxes and exposing it all to the world and thus blowing everything up and ending the opportunity. People want and demand proof. So I think it might make a few nice years delivering that proof. The clock is ticking and you will see this sooner or later. I know it's happening in the world of Baccarat in Macau.

I'm not going to slow down to help people that could really use that help. I have been driven away.

 

[John in Montreal]

Sounds like a scam. No proof of actual winnings. Just a bunch of bs about how random occurrences aren't really "random". It's really an embarrassment allowing this con artist to sully the site.

 

[gizmotron]

You just confirmed that you are clueless.

...bs about how random occurrences aren't really "random".

Now how could random occurrences no longer be random? Randomness can never stop being random. Your common sense is nothing but a red herring. You have nothing to stand on. I don't claim what you just said I claim. You will never win an argument over this from me. That's because you would rather make up a story that you can win. I don't care about the people that reject this. They are irrelevant. You should not be allowed to make up stories and than act like you are in the right and protecting others. You are hoping to gather a group that thinks like you. There was a group like that long ago. They thought the world was flat. There were other groups that shut down Galileo and the basic function of the solar system. Einstein was wrong for a year before he was right. It just took time to prove it. Then he was right.

 

[John in Montreal]

You just confirmed that you are clueless.



Now how could random occurrences no longer be random? Randomness can never stop being random. Your common sense is nothing but a red herring. You have nothing to stand on. I don't claim what you just said I claim. You will never win an argument over this from me. That's because you would rather make up a story that you can win. I don't care about the people that reject this. They are irrelevant. You should not be allowed to make up stories and than act like you are in the right and protecting others. You are hoping to gather a group that thinks like you. There was a group like that long ago. They thought the world was flat. There were other groups that shut down Galileo and the basic function of the solar system. Einstein was wrong for a year before he was right. It just took time to prove it. Then he was right.

Actually no one of any consequence believed the earth was flat. The truth that the earth is round and revolves around the sun was suppressed for political (religious) reasons.

You're just another scumbag charlatan trying to take advantage of gullible people. Like I said show us some hard proof that your system works.

 

[gizmotron]

You're just another scumbag charlatan trying to take advantage of gullible people. Like I said show us some hard proof that your system works.

Yes I am, I want them to learn something completely free of charge to the point that they prove to themselves that they can do it while never spending any money. Something that is ten times more fun than working as a seasonal slave for Amazon at Christmas rush. "Money won is twice a good as money earned." I'm not surprised that you think you know me and my intentions. I hope all your conclusions lead to an eternal reward.

 

[rvwandering]

Closed due to controversy.