Making $100 at a Casino, professional gambler discussion

[gizmotron]

Here is where people can discuss going to the trouble of learning Reading Randomness from a professional gambler. There is no other discussion on this subject like this on any forum in the world.  This is not the instruction site. That already exists. It starts out rather apposed and doesn't really get going until page 8.

I plan to teach nomads in person, face to face some day. But I'm not sure yet if I will go to Quartzite this 2022. I plan to do that each day for about two months. The cost is nothing. I don't want to charge anything and am expecting nothing. There will not be some secret additional instruction or some secret method held back.

The existing self teaching thread is done. I started it two years ago in July. There is no way to ask questions in reference to things on any page. It has never been supported like that anywhere.  This remote thread is where I will do that as if anyone and myself were face to face in an instruction session. I'm doing this now for those and / or myself that will not be able to be in Quartzite for the next coming winter. I would have to get a lot done for that.

If you set out to master the skills suggested I would want you to prove to yourself that you understand and have learned the construct aspects of common characteristics of randomness presented by me. That you completely understand the playing suggestions for stop loss and stop win points. And that you know why making just $50 to $100 is strategically in your own best interest. 

I would suggest asking questions here on why anyone should bother trying to earn traveling money this way. This must have a start. I will try to answer questions by sending people to actual discussion points made in the original teaching thread. Small quotes here are best. 

This will be a form of holding people's hands and guiding them through the work that has already been completed. I do not wish to defend anything here like I had to there. If you troll or disrupt this thread here I will request that your post be removed in order to stay positive and on topic. If you want to blaze away at me then do so at the teaching thread where I will excoriate you in all forms of devious manner. I've stood up to the most advanced professional gamblers there. People tend to learn gambling in stages. First they discover the progressions and the thousands of systems that are all doomed to fail. Then they move on the money management systems and discover that these tend to fail also. They almost never move up to the last stage that comes from playing experience, self awareness, and self control.  These things can be taught if a person allows themselves to learn.

I can't teach real live play experience. But I can teach practice experience designed to mimic actual playing experience. A person might have landed the Space Shuttle 100's of times in the simulator, but it still is not just like the real thing. I built software in order to teach. It's just like a simulator. You can find out if you can succeed without spending a single dime on it. There are thousands of people that have tried to use trends to beat casinos. 99.999% have all failed and given up on trends or patterns as just another failed system. That's because they have never taken that idea and turned it into an effective tool.

So I hope some of you will want to get trained in making a small strategic amount of money that will last them a lifetime if they apply themselves.

This is the only thread like this anywhere in the world. It is hidden among thousands of topics on living the nomadic lifestyle. It's created to help the people that help themselves and others. Nobody, and I mean nobody, shares a working Holy Grail gambling method. It's the opposite of human nature. Please don't type the words that RR stands for. The search engines will not be likely to pick it up. With a little luck this will just be another hair brained gambling system that could not possibly work.

If you do apply yourself I would expect you to master the techniques in about 30 to 50 days if you can work at least an hour per day on this. After that is completed you will run at least one practice session per day and write down the end results of your winnings or losses. Keep all that on one text entry page. That way it can be used to establish your win to loss ratio and your ability to react to playing effectiveness.

 

[gizmotron]

Many people learn best if they know where they are going. The construct is nothing more than a list of characteristics of randomness. They are there so that you can see them in a chart using visual dexterity. That's step one.

Step two is using stop points just like savvy stock traders do when they use support or resistance boundaries in their own moving averages charts.

Step three is tracking and using the only trend that matters .

After that is knowledge to you that you know down cold the last part is proving to yourself that you can do it.

The first part should take about a month or so. The proving it stage should take another month. Most real effort made students that have applied themselves have demonstrated that they have achieved a 2 to 1 win to loss ratio playing a 1 to 1 ratio ( odds ) game.

It's best to see the road map up front.

Let the festivities begin.

 

[RVTravel]

Winning $100 makes one a professional gambler? Wow. Is this spam or a scam?

 

[crofter]

Winning $100 makes one a professional gambler? Wow. Is this spam or a scam?

He says he wants positive comments.    -crofter

 

[gizmotron]

Winning $100 makes one a professional gambler? Wow. Is this spam or a scam?

Since you actually asked a question, and knowing that most people that will learn this have almost no experience gambling by strategic methods, I will proceed with a qualified answer. In the USA there are tax laws regarding the establishment of what a professional gambler is. They do not include giving the impression that you wear polyester shirts and are pimped out with gold diamond studded rings on every finger.

To establish yourself as a "professional gambler" to the IRS you must prove to them that a majority of your income comes from this activity of gambling. They don't want amateur recreational players to attempt to write off traveling expenses and losses that go beyond their yearly earnings from gambling activities. So there are two classifications of gamblers. You must prove to them that you are actually in business in the activity of gambling if you want the rights afforded a professional gambler.

Here is an important side note to point out too. If you travel to a casino and stay in your RV while doing so you can't right off your expenses because you are living in your rig. It's their neat little rule. Oh well on that one. Now if you have a permanent residency somewhere and you rent cars, rent a room, and have meals at restaurants when you go away to gamble then you can write off all of those expenses as well as all your losses. You can even go into a negative income, a loss, in your business of gambling for that year.

When you balance things out, if you are in fact a qualified and validated professional gambler, then you must also pay self employment taxes that are above 16% these days. That's in addition to your state taxes and your federal taxes depending on what bracket you fall into. To counter balance that if you can't write off travel expenses then you might as well just pay your flat rate taxes the normal way, as a recreational gambler. 

Now for the good part. I don't lose very often, as you will see for yourself as you yourself start to outdo the expectation of known math. You will validate for yourself, at no expense, what is what and who is whom.

As to having $50 or $100 being ridiculed by opinionated bystanders I intreat you to always guard yourself against people that don't even know you, that display the importance of making a good impression to others about financial acumen, that other people might be concerned that you are less than the impression of success, and that it is nobodies business but your own anyway. I intreat you to consider people like that as unkind and in fact demonstrating destructive importance. Some people think it's their duty and command post responsibility to wear their Spandex suit and cape and save other poor impressionable people that obviously need their assistance.

 

[gizmotron]

I included "professional gambler" in the title of this thread to imply successful or skilled player. 99.99% of all people that go to casinos to gamble all play to lose. Many think that today is their lucky day as they walk through the door. They are the people that pay for the chandeliers on the ceiling. Their only plan is to quit when the bankroll is gone.

 

[crofter]

Why is $100 the goal to win? If you are winning why not continue play until you have reached a loftier goal that you could bank?
-crofter

 

[gizmotron]

@Crofter "Why is $100 the goal to win?"

Great question. And it is not addressed in the original training thread over at the gambling forum.

My normal bet is 18 to 20 times a $5 chip, about $90. So 7 times $90 = $630 for a session's bankroll. If I win that session with 3 net wins of $90 I will get around $270.

If a new player were to use $1 chips to start out they would use 18 to 20 times $1 chips for the big bet. 3 net wins at $18 = $54. So if they were to bet $2 on each number in a group they would be betting $36 per bet. They would win around $108 for a three net win session and would lose $252 worth of bankroll if they lost all seven of the big bets.

Each dollar of bet per number costs $126 worth of bankroll for each session. This is a rigid rule and is explained in the training.

To answer your question it all comes down to typical moving averages in the randomness of typical play. There are many examples of how to detect up or down trends in the teaching thread. That's what it is there for. That's the skill that is learned.

Now that you know it is about moving averages then I can tell you that it is also about the common sizes of these moving averages. Wanting more than a few wins is a very low threshold for expectation. When a person tries to have a big winner night they are inviting all the bad patches of losing streaks that come with over doing it.

So when I say make $100 what I really mean is get your three net wins and leave. If you want more than that then use a bigger bankroll and bigger large bets. Don't stick around and try to get a huge win streak with like 10 net wins. You will end up losing many of your bankrolls.

 

[gizmotron]

It's in the training thread. If you download my practice software and run it, then you can do this. Type 100 in the number of spins to test. Place a $5 value for the amounts. Select Red to bet on, then press spin. now press graph. Up will pop a graph of your results of having no strategic bet selection and yet you can see up and down swings over the run of 100 spins. Do this several times so that you can see that trends in over all session play happen no matter what you bet on.

I have posted pictures of doing this and even some instructions in YouTube video. It's best to learn the way I presented it in the training thread. But I though I would try to answer questions here.

 

[abnorm]

What Training thread ?

 

[gizmotron]

Here are two of the same graphs after following my own instructions above. The trend for red to win first goes down and then climes back up over 100 spins. I show you how to take advantage of this. It's actually so simple that anyone can do this. It's just a matter of waiting and knowing
when to strike.

 

[gizmotron]

What Training thread ? 

I had mentioned it before in another thread. Yes, one link belongs here. So when I set out to do this two years ago I was met by the usual skeptics and math oriented believers in "the house's edge." They are rude and without bounds at times. So I warn you. This is a discussion forum for gamblers,  not a  nice place to play bean bags. I get pounded on for the first 8 pages but still there are some good important points made. You need to log in to see the graphics. Tell them gizmotron sent you if asked when you register. It's worth it too. I have my first video I made on page 12, really poor job I might add, So I never went to the Jack Webb school for acting. If you can filter out or ignore the interruptions then it really does get going with everything. 

Here: https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/reading-randomness.14733/

wow, it's up to 286,433 views

 

[gizmotron]

Let this quote from this wild west gambling forum serve as a disclaimer on how in your face this place can be at times. There's this guy that ends all his messages with "hey hey."

Now this:
Junket King, Aug 1, 2021

"Hey Hey" doesn't stand for anything, rather is a indication of a uncontrollable debilitating mental illness. Highly likely this idiot who is defined by this 'habit', probably also adds it to Christmas, Birthday cards, his tenancy agreement, when collecting his welfare cheque and meds at the local pharmacy.

I was going to suggest that it is included as his epitaph, but it is most probable no plot has been purchased, nobody is willing to pay for a headstone, will likely be a dust and ashes job when the time comes.
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[gizmotron]

So this is the unstated roadmap for learning the skill of Reading Randomness and earning an easy small extra amount of money from the activity of gambling. First off all this is in opposition to common everyday human nature. I'm not advocating minimalism or some Hindu trek.

If you can control yourself and your urge to want more, greed, then you can take a small amount of money off of a casino inside the range of very common and naturally occurring swings of ups & downs.

If you can't you will fall into a trap of funding losing streaks in order to get even more.

That's the basics of the strategy. The skill to detect bet selections is just a kind of science of evidence and conclusion. You take skilled situational awareness and use it to attack weak points in common randomness. You are not attempting to tell the future. You are just conforming the current condition or state of your gambling session as you go along. After learning the skill of conditional awareness, as it applies to games of chance, you will gain the experience needed in order to not get rattled while waiting for opportunity. And opportunities always come up.

This is not about throwing anyone into the deep end of the pool. This is all about guiding and openly discussing the learning process so that anyone might get good at it. A skilled player will be able to walk into a casino and sit down at the Roulette table, begin charting and hunting, and walk out with three net wins of their big bet value within three hours. That's about 120 spins. When you learn to play to win in a few hours you learn to not get upset when a losing streak strikes. You have the tools to weather any storm. You can't gain confidence unless you jump into the water. Are you going to drown or are you going to swim?

 

[RvNaut]

I find all this extremely dubious.... it comes off as a come on.. a ploy.. a scheme... way too much explaining going on .. nice carrot though... but yeah...

You are looking for marks.. it is obvious.



If by off chance you are in some way actually benevolent, I apologize.... when several here with an established reputation vouch for your intentions.. you might have better chances ... but I have sincere doubts about your motivations.


Go find Bob.. spend two months with him... if you win him over, you will have gained what you say you seek.

 

[RvNaut]

MODS

Please do not delete this thread... We need examples of this type of behavior, so people can learn from it.

If it is deleted, they are free to practice this elsewhere.

By leaving this thread and using it as an example, it can be a teaching tool.


( there is still a chance that this person is real about their intent, but it remains to be verified)

 

[gizmotron]

Human nature. It never surprises me. My motive is to make obnoxious math oriented absolutists in the gambling and mathematics world admit that I have been right all along for the past 27 years. I provided evidence. The thread where I freely give away a likely gambling Holy Grail that actually works has been wide open to the world for more than two years. It stands on its own merit. Several times someone tried to give me money to teach them privately. I told them that I would charge $100 per hour, two hours per day, for 60 days straight. Or, are you listening to me? I told them they could have it all given to them for free in the thread where I published Reading Randomness. All they had to do was apply themselves and use the free tools I created to practice with. I also give an alternative to using my practice software. It's all there. Just like a friend suggested more than two years ago. I could share a working HG and it would have no effect on the gambling world.

I must be crazy if I'm giving this away for free, or it can't possibly work. That's where you will go next. You guys need to dress up like Spandex Boyz in your caped outfits. It's Halloween soon.

This is my signature at the teaching thread. "My edge is a large enough number of people doing this and producing win to loss results that are demonstrably beyond the possibility of inaccuracy."

I get it that you are sensing a scam of some kind. So try this out for other people's sake. This nomad world of letting go of the expectations that people impose on themselves is actually God's work. I see this alternative to living on the streets as a "Bag Lady" by moving into your car, while you still can, and the work Bob has put together to get the message out as actually saving people's lives.

My goal with gambling is to save a few degenerate gamblers along the way and changing everything known about gambling and probability beliefs. That thread over at the gambling forum is among known gamblers. Here is what happens over there. People learn to gamble almost in the same steps. First they discover progressions. Next they give up on those or quit. If they keep going then they discover Money Management where superstitions and magical beliefs tend to act like blinders over their eyes. Some quit at this point. Still others keep searching and start to try trend play. But they discover that trends don't work all the time. So they move on to magical things like Precognition and ESP. This is the world of people that try to beat the casinos.

Now over here we have people that I know would want to earn extra money while staying out on the road. The only thing you should wonder about is that some here will do a half assed job of getting the skills I offer and by their own mistakes they will lose money that they need for other things. That's the only risk. I knew that. I have provided a way for anyone to prove to themselves that they actually have the needed skills before ever going into a casino. ... and I don't expect a dime from anyone, ever.

On the other hand I expect this. Human Nature will prevail. Some of you are going to do real well at this and you will go for big bucks. You will want back into your interrupted life and want so much money so that you can resurrect your stature and respect. And this will happen. The world will go Coocoo for Coco Puffs. The word on this will be "VALIDATION." You see the normal way to do research is to have it peer reviewed by known experts. Only I'm still using this myself. So I took it to the people that could use it the most. The gamblers have had their chance. This is a plan to have the opportunity blow up in everyone's face. I'm in your face and could care less about your concerns or needs. I'm blowing up the gambling world and the world of mathematicians that have stood for killing this. It won't take long. Maybe a few years.

I get a kick out you Barney Fife types that want to protect people. Got that bullet in your shirt pocket. "We have to nip it in the bud."

Looks better in a Spandex suit with a cape. Don't forget the mask.

 

[RvNaut]

More of your long winded diatribes does not instill confidence.

 

[gizmotron]

I find all this extremely dubious....  it comes off as a come on.. a ploy.. a scheme...  way too much explaining going on .. nice carrot though...  but yeah...

You are looking for marks.. it is obvious.

If by off chance you are in some way actually benevolent, I apologize.... when several here with an established reputation vouch for your intentions.. you might have better chances ... but I have sincere doubts about your motivations.


Go find Bob.. spend two months with him... if you win him over, you will have gained what you say you seek.

The name of the game is Too Late.  When you get what you want I want it to be too late.  I have made that abundantly clear, everywhere. So go ahead and wait.  What you want to do next is to suspect some adolescent Baloney Festival.  Bob can do what he wants. He usually does. I would prefer any one of those that really need the income. Remember this too. I'm coming to Quartzite next year, in about a year and a few months, to teach this with people and prove to them that it works. It will be up to others to explain why I did this. But I'm glad that it confuses you. Human Nature, what a con job.

 

[Weight]

Yes indeed. It is common knowledge that the right System will beat the casino every time. That is why the casinos are always going bankrupt.