Fake Cell Towers Intercepting calls?

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I was reading the comments and found. 3 Pertinent things.

1: It wouldn't be the NSA because they would just go through the carrier.
2: It was erected by some ccompany RCI industries? (No record with the American Business Bureau.)
3: They also have a Ds4 which absolves them from inspection, and can only be obtained through the Federal Govt.
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This rumor was started by some one selling $3500 phones. Do you believe some one would build an expensive, very expensive phone tower just to intercept calls? there are other ways to intercept calls.
 
According to msn, it's nothing new.
"...In an amazing coincidence, police departments in a handful of U.S. cities have been operating "Stingray" or "Hailstorm" towers, which -- you guessed it -- conduct surveillance on mobile phone activity. They do that by jamming mobile phone signals, forcing phones to drop down from 4G and 3G network bands to the older, more insecure 2G band."

http://money.msn.com/investing/post--mysterious-fake-cellphone-towers-found-across-us
 
If you worry about this, go buy yourself a $3500 phone.
 
I don't know Zil. Is just giving up and accepting defeat the answer? I don't think so...I also haven't the foggiest about WHAT to do about it either..Shite
 
Talking on a cell phone uses public air space. We don't share our secretes freely and openly by shouting across a public area. What we say on a cell phone is the same public area.
 
Zil said:
Talking on a cell phone uses public air space. We don't share our secretes freely and openly by shouting across a public area. What we say on a cell phone is the same public area.

Hi Zil,
I'm not exactly firing on all cylindars today, so please bear with me. I think I understand your point. You're saying we should just be careful about what we say on the phone, right? Or are you saying information transmitted over radio signals are/should be considered public domain because they pass over public land?
 
When we use a cell phone we can expect no more privacy than we have when talking in any public space. Right or wrong, that is the reality.
If we can't live with this we need to elect representatives to put in place the necessary controls.

Public domain is not exactly the right term. Tuning in a radio station, any radio station, is not illegal. The air waves are public property. Transmitting is regulated, not receiving.

Do not expect privacy when acting in public. So yes, be careful. I personally would not do something like banking, or such, on my phone. or even wi-fi.
 
I operate on the principle that ALL communications media is corrupted. All are being bugged, by government, LEO, and corporations. So, as I once read, don't say or write anything you wouldn't want your Granny to hear/read. ;-)
 
@Zil - Well said. Thanks for clarifying. Yes, nothing is 100% secure. There will always be a zero day, something worth stealing, and someone with too much time/processing power on their hands.

Zil said:
If we can't live with this we need to elect representatives to put in place the necessary controls.

That's one way. Another is the Trust No One (TNO) approach.

Open source software and strong, properly implemented encryption can go a long way in assuring privacy even for regular folks like us.

Open source is great because anyone can audit the code for vulnerabilities. Strong encryption is great because it can protect your data in a way that, while not perfect, can make it cost prohibitive to break. It reminds me of that quote, “You don't have to outrun the bear, just the guy next to you.”

One of the best things about TNO is that it won't cost you $3,500. In fact, it doesn't have to cost anything. Free software and resources are available for anyone who cares about their privacy. All it takes is a willingness to sacrifice a measure of convenience for a measure of security.

@Prisoner Of Knowledge – If you're interested in hardening your information security, I'd recommend the CryptoParty Handbook as a good place to start. I like the book because you don't need prior experience to understand it; you can download it for free as a pdf, mobi, epub, or text file; and it's still an active, grassroots project.

I don't know how to code or do anything fancy, but I do what I can to protect my data. And it's not even really about my data (I'm not that interesting). To me, it's more about being able to speak your mind without feeling creeped out about whether or not someone's listening. Like LeeRevell just pointed out, all the things are tapped. That's why we must encrypt all the things!

Take this post as an example. If I worried about how some rampant gov't agency with a mean Jingoistic streak and no accountability might respond to what I was typing, I'd be influenced toward apathy instead of action. Without privacy, anyone can fall victim to a chilling effect. This effectively neuters public discourse.

*dismounts soap box*

Ok, back to the mystery towers. Cyndi nailed it. This is a known technology, and they're not actually towers. They're suitcase sized base stations. You can read more about them here and here. If you have the right credentials, it looks like you can even buy em here.

Not a LEO but still wanna tap that phone? Security researchers at last year's Black Hat hacker conference in Las Vegas, “detailed their ability to use a Verizon signal-boosting device, a $250 consumer unit called a femtocell, to secretly intercept voice calls, data, and SMS text messages of any handset that connects to the device.”.

I think the dropping down to 2G thing the msn article mentioned is part of an exploit that attacks the “the second operating system hiding in every mobile phone.”

According to OSNews managing editor, Thom Holwerda, “Every smartphone or other device with mobile communications capability (e.g. 3G or LTE) actually runs not one, but two operating systems. Aside from the operating system that we as end-users see (Android, iOS, PalmOS), it also runs a small operating system that manages everything related to radio."

But it's not all bad. I think I saw someone mention jailbreaking on this forum earlier... I'm also a fan. Well, I hear both rooting and jailbreaking are made possible by this kind of exploit on the baseband processor. So there's that.

TL;DR – TNO FTW! Don't give up. Encrypt all the things! I'm happy to help anyone here lock down their devices insofar as I can, which isn't much, but it's better than doing nothing.
 
Had a problem when I first got my Galaxy SIII. Found it was uploading all my pics to the Google share site! I learned to disable that feature...... I hope. Nothing bad, just friends and family who would not appreciate being 'out there'!
 
I think you all know more than me about this issue, so help me understand.

Is the issue here cell phones or the data stream?

I use a Verizon Jet Pack, which does have a cell phone number. Am I as vulnerable as you are making smartphones out to be?

I don't do banking over public wifi but I always thought my Jet Pack was safe. Are you sure it isn't?
Bob
 
akrvbob said:
I think you all know more than me about this issue, so help me understand.

Is the issue here cell phones or the data stream?

I use a Verizon Jet Pack, which does have a cell phone number. Am I as vulnerable as you are making smartphones out to be?

I don't do banking over public wifi but I always thought my Jet Pack was safe. Are you sure it isn't?
Bob

I dont know much about it either compared to younger people. The towers may not be the issue. The blaze link is more along the lines of just basically spying on peoples communications. They mentioned programs that have been out there for a while.

What are we going to do? Nothing. As Leerevell says, dont say or text anything you want to keep private. It's about the people who are spying on communications, not the ones trying to get our money. Again, others in here know a lot more than I do.

I also assume I'm on video in many areas also.
 
I wouldn't say anything is safe anymore, they've already shown that web encryption is vulnerable.

As someone alluded to..you have to weigh value of convenience with risk.
 
Banking communication over the internet is encrypted by the programs our bank uses. Over wire ie: home dsl or cable, no one can just pull your info with out access to the wire. Over cell phone access any one near you can intercept the broadcast airwaves. That info may be encrypted, but any one can know it is you, know your bank, know how many keystrokes are in your password. Sure is much easier to figure your secrets that way. Verizon Jet Pack is over the air as is cell phone.
 
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