another crackdown in Ehrenberg

[highdesertranger]

I think just because BLM patrols an area doesn't mean it's actually their land and no signs mean nothing in fact I have never seen a sign stating you are now entering Arizona state trust land or BLM land for that matter. I have seen USFS(United States Forest Service? boundary signs everywhere. I have also seen USFS patrolling BLM land and vice versa. I have also seen county Sherriff's patrolling everywhere.

it's up to the individual to know who's land they are on. just like it's up to the individual to know the rules. before I had even heard of LTVA"s we camped inside of one on Willy well road. when Mr. Ranger came by and explained to us the errors of our ways we paid up.

LTVA = Long Term Visitor Area

highdesertranger

 

[Qxxx]

it's up to the individual to know who's land they are on. 

I have attempted to go into several areas, mainly around Lake Havasu, that did have Land Trust signs posted. There are BLM areas that have non-camping signs posted around Quartzsite, eg, all along the west side of Old Yuma Road. OTOH, there appears to be mass ignorance in regards the Ehrenberg mesa, too bad. But now I know, assuming that referenced website is correct.

Good you know how to track these things down, HDR. For reference, there is a blue box just about on top of where WRTR was held, although I believe said box is slightly to the east.

 

[highdesertranger]

I am sure there are some areas that are posted. I was referring to my experience, I have never seen the signs, however it's been many, many years since I have camped around Ehrenberg or close to any state land for that matter.

as a little FYI one square mile(a section) out of every township is dedicated to schools. a township is 36 square miles or 36 sections so one of those sections is school land. this is in all BLM land. a section is 640 acres, 1/2 section is 320, 1/4 section is 160 and so on. just a little trivia for today.

highdesertranger

 

[B and C]

I didn't know about the set aside for schools. HDR, you sure are full of it (knowledge that is)

 

[Qxxx]

I believe I have found the resolution to this issue, on Bob's video from Jan 24, 2017 called Directions to My Ehrenberg camp, at time 20:50. 

He shows a small marker that says both BLM and AZ state parks, and also OHV area. So apparently the mesa top is shared between services, and we're ok up there. It seems silly someone would be leasing it for cattle, as there's not much for cows to eat up there. I only spent 3 days there this past winter, and it rained the entire time, but made a mental note about it being decent place to boondock not far from Quartzsite. So it might be that other areas marked on the AZ trust lands page are also dual purposed. Guess you have to go there to get the final word.

Re Lake Havasu, you will notice multiple blue zones on the Land Trust maps around the City. I remember seeing no trespassing signs at the area 1 mile or so south of the last traffic light, behind the high-tension tower. Another was on Old London Bridge Road just south of where you come up out of the wash going over to Castle Rock. I think those areas around LHC are more likely to be patrolled, as both Enigmatic Jamie and Caravan Carolyn had been evicted from those areas over the past couple of years.

 

[highdesertranger]

thanks, most people just say I am full of it. LOL

I have to know the land survey system because that's how mineral claims are laid out. you better not be picking up rocks on someone's claim(mineral trespass). that is also why I know how to read maps and know a good map from a useless map.

highdesertranger

 

[Qxxx]

thanks,  most people just say I am full of it.  LOL

Since you mention it, I have to say, HDR, that I walked by your camp at RTR 2019 on the one day I was there, and you looked far too formidable :s for this little stray puppy to want to talk to, LOL.  :-/  But all in all, it seems you're a very nice guy at heart. :angel: Maybe next winter, I'll get my courage up, :exclamation:

 

[lenny flank]

as a little FYI one square mile(a section) out of every township is dedicated to schools.  a township is 36 square miles or 36 sections so one of those sections is school land.  this is in all BLM land.  a section is 640 acres,  1/2 section is 320,  1/4 section is 160 and so on.  just a little trivia for today.

Some more trivia.... This was done as part of the Homestead Act, which divided land into sections and survey-townships for easy surveying and standardized sales. A typical homestead plot was one-quarter of a section in size.

This is also the reason why the western states all tend to be squarish in shape--they were all surveyed in "township" units.

Most Federal land in the west is actually former Homestead land that nobody wanted to buy.

 

[highdesertranger]

Qxxx no reason to be scared I am your best friend unless you were to cross me or my friends. BTW all of those that camped around me were my friends. highdesertranger

 

[bullfrog]

Hence also the term "lower 40".

 

[B and C]

HDR is a great guy, that is why I was poking fun at him. Met him online on the forums and then at the RTR several years ago when they were smaller.

 

[LoveCareThinkDo]

I use an app called FreeRoam and an all called US Public Lands to help me know where I am. The later works even if you don't have internet. Can't remember about the first one.

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[Qxxx]

I use an app called FreeRoam and an all called US Public Lands to help me know where I am. 

Brilliant, works on Windows too.
https://freeroam.app/

 

[skyl4rk]

Personal Flotation Device documents are designed to work even in a flooded wash.

 

[highdesertranger]

haha good one Sky. highdesertranger

 

[wayne49]

HDR,
Is it okay to camp on the school section?

 

[highdesertranger]

yes Just as long as it hasn't been incorporated into a city. it's treated just like all other BLM land. you can hunt, fish, hike, camp, and everything else you can do on BLM land you can even file a mining claim. highdesertranger

 

[wayne49]

You got me. I forgot the /sarc tag.
Not as if there are lines on the ground and signs saying "school section" in the middle of nowhere.
It is interesting information.

Recently, I was checking out USFS area near Saulsbury Summit off US-6. After a few miles the terrain did not change (scrub brush "forest"?), but PVC pipes were now sprouting up from the ground. Checked Public Lands app and sure enough, I was now on BLM land in an apparently mineral interesting area.
USFS - United States (of America) Forestry Service
BLM - Bureau of Land Management
PVC - polyvinyl chloride (NOT premature ventricular contractions)
US-6 - United States National Highway Six.

 

[Kaylee]

sorry I thought everybody on a computer knew what a PFD PDF file is. but alas I can't even tell you what it stands for.

what's a PFD PDF? hell if I know, it's a type of computer file for viewing large files and documents. someone with a lot more computer savvy is going to need to explain it more than that,

Since you asked nicely & honestly, and PDFs are one of my demonstrable areas of expertise...

PDF == Portable Document Format
It's a vile, evil, proprietary file format that is a superb vector for malware.
Just say "no" to PDFs... in my expert opinion.

It was designed to let the user have complete control over document layout, which is fine for printer ready stuff, but is out of sync with what the web is supposed to be (i.e. flexible documents focused on content not anal-retentive layout weenie-ism).

There are far safer "open" alternatives, including plain HTML and regular image files.
(HTML == Hyper Text Markup Language, which is a plain text file format that in-and-of-itself is safe, as long as it's not encrusted with dangerous crud like javascript.)
There's an open source file format "OpenXPS " that was designed to provide much of the functionality of PDF files. It's much safer, and is natively available in newer versions of Windows.
Here's some techie info about it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_OpenXPS_and_PDF

Here's the blog of one of the top experts on the planet (it's very technical):
https://blog.didierstevens.com/

As an anti-malware software creator, I truely love the "Open XML" document file formats.
They are much easier to Create Code to parse and test for malware like traits.

For any web-based use, I strongly prefer plain HTML and standard image files.
Again, they're much easier to detect Bad Stuff within.
Safer is good.

In a Nutshell:
PDF is to "open" file formats, as "sticks & bricks" are to those who feel the (true) need to be free.

P.S. It sure would be nice if HOWA would offer a non-PDF version of the mini-van manual.
P.P.S. My credentials available, upon request by any core HOWA folks, upon credible promise of confidentiality.

 

[rvwandering]

I've deleted a few posts that were not helpful. Please read over the Rules of the Forum and make sure your posts follow Bob's vision before hitting the post button - https://vanlivingforum.com/showthread.php?tid=6554
Thanks!