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Just out of idle curiosity, how wide is the bus right now, and how wide is it going to be after you add all this stuff to the outside?

I believe there is a legal maximum width for road vehicles, and anything wider than that needs special WIDE LOAD permits and escort vehicles front and rear.

I'm not sure of the details, but I thought most buses were already at the legal maximum. I could be wrong, though.

Regards
John
 
John, I believe the legal width for most vehicles not including trucks is 8' - 6", and my bus is just under 8'. The vertical supports are 1-1/2" and with a 3/4" profile for the siding I'm under 2.5" per side, so if I end up adding close to 5" I should be fine with a couple of inches to spare ;).
 
Well it's been about a year but I finally made it back, lol.  It's a long story, but basically I wound up falling out of my bus and tore up my knee pretty badly.  It happened late in the afternoon around mid-September last year. It was just getting dark when suddenly it started to rain like heck.  I had some power tools laying around so I rushed out to get them into the bus.  During the third trip I stepped on the top step with my right foot, but cuz it was dark and wet I slipped off and proceeded to to the splits, my right foot slipping off each step as I went down, but my left foot seemed strangely nailed stuck to the top step.  Only when I'd completed a full split did my left leg follow and my left knee hit each step on the way down, and I finished with a half twist and roll for a great dismount, lol.  Hurt like hell too.  

So my knee was pretty swollen/damaged, had to take a month off work and then crutches for a couple more, and been causing me pain for the better part of 9 months.  Guess I don't heal up like I used to, lol.  Also had some family issues, my daughters having health problems and my mother too, so that's been occupying my mind and my wallet and so I just put the bus on the back-burner until recently.  

I have been picking away at the demo on and off for the past 3 months, and frankly have been becoming more depressed with every issue I find.  Mostly rust, grrrrr.  So what happened was as I was treating the ribs with Ospho, I was also trying to avoid removing any of the foam insulation on the walls since it actually added to stabilizing the weak outer skin. So I was cheating a bit and leaving some parts, especially at floor level, covered (I think subconsciously I suspected there might be a can of worms I didn't want to know about).

But at some point when I was removing the wheel chair lift I discovered a seriously soft spot below the lift opening.  I decided to open it up and take a look.  Big mistake, lol.  What I saw was that the outer U-channel which composed the entire lower frame of the bus body was completely rusted through. As in you could poke your finger through it.  So that was that, I had to tear off the entire outer skin from the roof down.  I found that about 75% of that outer framing needs replacing.  Also found that no such size channel exists off the shelf and so had to have it fabricated at a welding shop.

When I showed one of the rusted pieces to the guy at the shop, he said it looked like it hadn't even been coated/painted at all, and I'm beginning to suspect that the jerks at the factory, knowing that these buses are only in service for around 8-10 years (maybe less) in most areas, decided that that was as long as they needed to build them to last.  Typical disposable mentality and shite quality control if you ask me.  And judging by the amount of rust covering everything on the underside of the bus, it looks like the mechanics for the bus service never bothered to spray wash the undercarriage to get off the winter salt build-up either, so that's a look-out for anyone who's considering buying one of these.  Check up underneath along the outer framing supporting the floor, that's where you'll be able to spot whether the vehicle has a rust problem or not.

I'm just finishing removing most of the bad channel, and also found that there's a sort-of Z-channel that tucks up against that U-channel (tack welded to it) then comes up over the wood floor and forms the inner side of the wall at floor level (and what the interior skin is screwed to).  The vertical support ribs sit inside this and are also welded to it.  And about 90% of this stuff is rusted beyond usefulness, so am removing this AND I also found that 5 of the support ribs are rusted through on the outer side, so I'm cutting about 4-5" of these off and will weld in new ''feet''.  

Oh yeah, one more thing, the cross-pieces, slightly smaller U-channel that fits inside the outer channel and span the width of the bus (sitting on the factory frame and supporting the floor) are badly rusted, especially where they fit into the outer channel.  There are 8 of these and the  2 on either side of the wheel-well are so bad I'm going to see if I can somehow slide new pieces next to them (they were exposed most by the everything being thrown up by the wheels) and half of the rest need anywhere from 4-10" cut off and replaced.  Yeah, it's a bit of a quagmire that I did not see coming, lol.  On the bright side, the steel (12 ga. steel cut and bent) has only cost me about $300 so far, not as much as I feared it would, lol.  I'll post some pics of the damage soon.  Anyway, glad to be back and look forward to getting this project back on track ;?D
 
Here's some pics, proof that rust never sleeps... :?(

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glad you are back and have recovered from your mishap. post up some pics I need to see this. highdesertranger
 
ha ha you posted the pics as I posted my reply. that's ugly it appears non painted, also that expanded foam probably contributed to the rust. it appears to be the cheap open cell stuff. what is the boat winch in the back for? highdesertranger
 
Yup, glad you got through your injury's and nice to see you are now back at it.
WOW! You're right about that rust. You certainly have your work cut out for you.
 
Hey High, yeah it's pretty ugly for sure.  I have sat and stared at this for a couple of weeks before deciding to try the current path, but the idea of giving up had crossed my mind more than a few times, lol.  It is at the limits of what I think I'm capable of, but I also figure where there's a will there's a way ;), as long as it doesn't break the bank of course.  

I've had to spend about $800 including the steel, marine grade plywood that I'm now going to skin it with, several gallons of Minwax Helmsman satin spar urethane for a base (to be followed by an as-yet-undecided color of automotive paint), a new acetylene rig (my old one had a number of problems and had to go) and some other miscellaneous tools and materials.  

Oh plus I had to double the size of my shed to hold all the stuff I've bought for this project, but I figure that doesn't really count against the Russbus, lol.  And that's what the wench is there for, I had to pull up a bunch of shrubs that were planted in front of the shed and the bus made a great anchor (they really did not want to come out, lol).  I haven't gotten around to it yet, but it's going to be installed as part of the spare tire set up, not far from where it currently resides ;?D

Hello Ballenxj, thanks and yeah I'm glad to be over that injury, although it still twinges from time to time. I can tell it's gonna be one of those old war wounds that will occasionally give me grief from now on. Now just need to come up with a good war story to go with it, lol.
 
Glad to see you back and all healed from your fall!

Wow, the bus looked good when you got it. There was no way to know that all of that rust lurked under the skin! Keep posting as you work on it. I'm sure that it'll come out looking beautiful but you have a complicated job ahead of you.
 
I was wondering about the party platform bus.

Sorry to hear about the knee. They seem to really cause a lot of issues, and mine love to ache.

The Spar varnish, is designed to cover wood and have maximum UV protection.

Since you are planning on painting over it, some regular Minwax polyurethane might be easier to work with by drying faster, and cost less to boot.

The Helmsman Spar varnish, compared to other varnishes like Epifanes or Interlux, is like Pittsburg wrenches from harbor freight compared to Snap on, but the price difference is about the same too.

YOu can thin the first layer of varnish/polyurethane applied with the appropriate thinner for the product, usually mineral spirits, and it will absorb deeper into the wood and make it more water and dent resistant, just go over any spots again which suck it up quickly.
 
Fearnoevil said:
Hello Ballenxj, thanks and yeah I'm glad to be over that injury, although it still twinges from time to time.  I can tell it's gonna be one of those old war wounds that will occasionally give me grief from now on.  Now just need to come up with a good war story to go with it, lol.

Doesn't necessarily have to be a war story, hey, aren't you the fella that accidentally got the line wrapped around his ankle just as they shot the harpoon at Moby Dick?  ;-)
 
Hey Sternwake, good to see you man ;?). Well I read some journals where they tested various exterior wood treatments and the Minwax stood out as one of the better coatings without too high a cost. I did dilute it like you said and put on 3 coats on both sides of each 4'x8' sheet of 1/4" marine grade plywood, 10 sheets, which btw is a lot of work, heh. But I don't want a wood finish so that's why I'm thinking about either white or blue, or maybe a white and blue pattern of some sort. Automotive paint would give the best finish,but that's a LOT of money and a decision I can put off till next spring so time will tell ;)
 
Rustoleum 'topside' marine paints have proven pretty durable on my Van. Good adhesion and scratch resistance. I used a roller and leveled it out with a foam brush. Hardly a professional finish, but I do not care.
 
Fearnoevil said:
Here's some pics, proof that rust never sleeps... :?(

Looks like the old Eagle we had. Thing was so rusted that we finally gave up on it. The BlueBird has no rust. Even underneath. I do love my skoolie!
 
Good Greif!!! Whadda story!! :p


So glad to hear you're doing OK, and getting things back on track.

GodSpeed.
 
Thanks Patrick, it feels good to be getting back to work on this project, hope to get the bones fixed and skin on her before it gets too cold, and then finish the interior by spring, hopefully.
 

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