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MrNoodly

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The opposite poles of vandwelling philosophy seem to be having as many conveniences as possible on one hand and living as simply as possible on the other. Some people try to make a micro apartment on wheels and others are happy with just a sleeping bag and a pack of beef jerky. Most are somewhere between.<br /><br />So, what's your minimum? What do you have that you thought was important but you don't really use? What is more trouble than it's worth? What do you really wish you had that you don't?
 
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;A little about my van first, Im in a 1 ton cargo van. its been insulated &amp; has a small roof vent in rear. I have a 12v fan for summertime air circulation. it has a bunk along drivers side wall about 1 ft off floor. at&nbsp; the end of bed behind drivers seat&nbsp;I keep my clean clothes in a laundry basket, opposite end by&nbsp;rear doors I keep my cooler. behind passenger seat is an old steamer trunk I use for food, water &amp; misc storage.the top of this trunk is also my table for propane&nbsp;2 burner&nbsp;camp stove,&nbsp;&nbsp;for heat I have a mr heater. I can place the heater anywhere in the van, but the top of this trunk is also a handy place for it while parked. behind the steamer trunk I keep my mtn bike bungeed to the passenger side wall. this gives me plenty of room down the center of van. I have a clothes pole across rear of van for my hanging clothes.&nbsp;I dont think of myself doing without, I have everything I need. I belong to a gym for showers &amp; bathroom, along with working out. I have many places for free wifi. I try to use my bicycle for as many errands as possible to save fuel $$$.&nbsp;<br /><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;What I wouldnt be without...#1, propane mr heater. I keep it on floor next to bed so in the morning I can turn it&nbsp; on without getting out of my sleeping bag, it warms up the place very quick.<br /><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What I wouldnt be without...#2, my propane camp stove. I need coffee in the morning &amp; Im not driveing to get it &amp; Im not paying 2 or 3 dollars a day for it. Im fine with making instant coffee, I actually like it. one container cost less then 10.00 &amp; last's over a month.&nbsp;<br /><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; What I wouldnt be without...#3, bicycle. it saves fuel &amp;&nbsp;I also get front door parking when I go food shopping or to the gym, library, etc. <br /><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; What I'd like to have... a vented thermostaticly controlled propane heater. no more moister inside, plus I'd have constant heat.</p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have a honda eu2000 generator that I dont carry with me, just dont need it unless I was to boondock.</p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I guess Im minimulist by nature because I feel I have everything I need. I dont have water tanks, plumbing, toilet, kitchen etc to worry about maintaining, &amp; that makes me very happy <img rel="lightbox" src="/images/boards/smilies/smile.gif" class="bbc_img" /></p>
 
While I've lived in a van for 10 years, I don't count the first 6 living in a city. If I wanted a luxury, I just went to the store and got it. So I will only include the last 4 years.&nbsp; Two of those years i lived in a tiny camper (6 foot by 7 foot) with very little room. The last 2 year I've lived in a converted cargo trailer with all the luxuries I wanted. So I have lived both ways- absolute minimum and all I want. I prefer all I want!!<br /><br />But here are the luxuries I had in the tiny camper because having them was a sacrifice that I was willing to make. (I am not including the things necessary for basic life, bed, stove, lights, toilet, tools.)<br /><br /><ul><li>Solar Panel-Batteries: I need power for the laptop, lights, fan, camera and fridge</li><li>Honda 1000 generator for when there was no solar.</li><li>12 volt compressor fridge: pays for itself by not buying ice</li><li>Satellite Radio: great entertainment for very little space or money</li><li>Portable DVD player: takes up very little room but gives lots of entertainemnt</li><li>Camera gear: my main hobby</li><li>Books: there are some you just have to have.</li><li>Solar Oven: gotta have cornbread!</li></ul><br />That's all I can think of right now. There just wan't room for many luxuries. <br /><br />Living that simply gave me lots of freedom and I traveled a great deal more and went more exotic places. It's a trade-off I knowingly made to have less freedom in order to get more luxuries. And also because my emphasis has changed from enjoying myself to building a tribe.&nbsp; I needed room to carry stuff for the tribe (like a 20 quart stock-pot, toilet tent and 8 foot step-ladder). And, I have to stay in one place longer for people to find me. <br /><br />But, I have to admit, the satellite TV and microwave are just for me!! Bob
 
Of course, now e-books take up almost no space. I often read them from my phone. Although, I know some people really prefer touching and turning paper. Photo and art books are really best the old way.
 
Besides, the clothes, food, water bare minimums:<br /><br />Port-a-Pottie, and a stove.<br /><br />I have to say my iPhone as well. It's how I communicate with hearing people, and makes life a lot lot lot better.<br /><br />It seems most women prefer a port-a-pottie as a minimum, and I agree wholeheartedly.&nbsp; That said, I started with the bucket method, and it works.&nbsp; It's not a pleasant experience, but it works.<br /><br />I work a full-time job over the Internet, so I need strong solar, batteries, laptop, and Verizon MIFI device, but if/when I stop working, I won't use it nearly as much!<br /><br />For the winters, or traveling up north,&nbsp; a propane heater is a great investment.&nbsp; I have a Mr. Buddy or whatever bob recommends.&nbsp; I don't really like it that much, it's temperamental.
 
Right now: Old Igloo lunch cooler = port-a-pot. &nbsp; Large cooler with smaller ones inside,refrigeration, gets hot here in summer, and a bed roll. &nbsp;That's about it. &nbsp;Future: Insulation, PV system, hardwood floors with sub-floor heating, &nbsp;battery bank(4+), have a lot of this already bought, in storage. Hardest part is deciding on a layout for interior.<img rel="lightbox" src="/images/boards/smilies/confused.gif" class="bbc_img">
 
&nbsp;Well, a decent solar setup is a MUST (185W at present).<br>&nbsp;- 12v compressor fridge.. not only save on ice, but food too, since I buy cheapo 'family packs' of meat and freeze 'er up.<br>&nbsp;- Propane stove &amp; furnace.. winter sux here.<br>&nbsp;- Laptop.. entertainment &amp; communication &amp; knowledge base.<br>&nbsp;- E-reader.<br>&nbsp;- Tools.. tools tools tools.<br>&nbsp; ..Willy.&nbsp;
 
I'm trying to learn from you guys. <img rel="lightbox" src="/images/boards/smilies/smile.gif" class="bbc_img"> <br>My basic requirements are; <br>Stay warm in the Winter, so I bought a Mr Buddy Portable heater. <br>Staying cool in the Summer? Still working on that. <br>Electricity to run my minimal devices and lighting? Reading a lot here to try and work that out. <br>Porta Potty? Got one. <br>Cooking? Trying to decide what I need. I've been looking at everything from a two burner camp stove, to a mini propane powered oven with range top. I would also like to have a small microwave. <br>Gotta figure out my coffee situation in the morning too. Open to suggestions here. <br>Internet? I've got both Verizon Hotspot on my phone, and an Ipad II with both wifi &amp; Verizon 3G internet capabilities.<br>Bob, You say you have a thousand watt Honda Generator? Is that enough to keep all your appliances including 12v fridge going in times of no Sun?&nbsp; <br>Gotta decide on how much solar I need. Could use more advice here too. <img rel="lightbox" src="/images/boards/smilies/wink.gif" class="bbc_img"><br>I've been picking away at this as I can. <br>-Bruce
 
Since I don't full-time, I could do without the TV - when I'm on the road there's&nbsp;little time to watch it.&nbsp; I like all the other conveniences and use them more than I&nbsp;expected - water heater, roof fan,&nbsp;and microwave come to mind.&nbsp; My van didn't come with an awning.&nbsp; I find that I don't miss it.&nbsp; &nbsp; <br><br>One thing I <em>would</em> like to have would be solar panels.&nbsp; Other than that, I'm grateful&nbsp;that I have what I use and use what I have.&nbsp;
 
Ballenxj said:
...Electricity to run my minimal devices and lighting? Reading a lot here to try and work that out. ...&nbsp;Bob, You say you have a thousand watt Honda Generator? Is that enough to keep all your appliances including 12v fridge going in times of no Sun?&nbsp; <br>Gotta decide on how much solar I need. Could use more advice here too. <img rel="lightbox" src="/images/boards/smilies/wink.gif" class="bbc_img"><br>
<br><br>According to this guy, you should be able to live comfortably on solar without a generator, because he does it. He says most solar setups are done wrong.<br><br>http://handybobsolar.wordpress.com/the-rv-battery-charging-puzzle-2/<br><br><br>
 
MrNoodly, Thanks for the link. <img rel="lightbox" src="/images/boards/smilies/smile.gif" class="bbc_img"> <br>-Bruce
 
12 volt compressor fridges have come a long way, but their initial price has most balking and searching for other options, which ultimately cost more when they either do not perform well, or consume too much battery power. &nbsp;Residential dorm style fridges run on an inverter will use, at a minimum, twice the battery power. &nbsp;I'd avoid this route unless you regularly plug into the grid for extended periods, or just have large amounts of solar and a large battery bank.<br><br>I did the cooler thing for 7 years, getting blocks of ice every 5 days or so. &nbsp;Factoring in the &nbsp;price of Ice, and the gas required to go get it, the 12v compressor fridge pays for itself in about a year.<br><br>Modern compressor fridges consume less than one amp per hour in average 75f ambients, but obviously opening the door and placing warm items within increases this consumption.<br><br>Compressor fridges need to have the condenser adequately vented, and the better the condenser has its heat removed, the more efficient the fridge. &nbsp;I went a little overboard on mine and the new aftermarket condenser fan has no ability to pull preheated air through the condenser. &nbsp;The fridge sits in an insulated cabinet designed to accommodate this single pass airflow, and the fridge itself has an extra 3/4 inches of insulation around it, and mine in regular use, uses about .75 amps per hour in 75f ambient temperatures.<br><br>If one is considering a 12 volt compressor fridge, the ones with Danfoss compressors are quietest. &nbsp;Vitrifrigo, Waeco/Dometic, NovaKool, and TruckFridge all use the Danfoss compressor which can be tweaked for better performance, and can be recharged if/when necessary. &nbsp;Norcold and Engel use the louder vibration prone Sawafuji compressors and once the refrigerant gets low, it is new fridge time.<br><br>Some chest type fridges like ARB use the Danfoss compressors too and are inherently more efficient.<br><br>If one does not drive regularly, at least an hour every other day, then solar is needed to power compressor fridges. &nbsp;Always get more solar than you think you need, but 60 watts should be considered the minimum to run &nbsp;just the 12 volt compressor fridge indefinitely without driving.<br><br>Absorption fridges, commonly called 3 way fridges as well, run on propane, and need dedicated ventilation so that no byproducts of combustion enter the living space. &nbsp;They work best on propane or 120 volt grid power. &nbsp;They consume huge amounts of battery power when the heating element is run on 12 volts and are only meant to run on 12 volts when the engine is running. &nbsp;Newer models running on propane, still require 12 volts to run the circuit board, and on some models, this can be nearly as much battery power as my compressor fridge uses to keep sub 35f interior temperatures. &nbsp;They need to be kept relatively level, and running out of level for very long causes progressive damage to the cooling unit. &nbsp;The older models were much more sensitive to this.<br><br>-----<br><br>I've done the minimalist van dwelling thing. &nbsp;Now I want my comforts, and they can get complicated indeed, but I sleep well, and can spend all day inside comfortably, without going nuts, if I i have to. &nbsp;I make use of a large P bottle, but #2 has never been performed inside. &nbsp;Thankfully I am regular, and have access to my own flushing toilet at my current spot.
 
Thanks for your input on the subject of refrigerators wrcsixeight. I've found a 12v Dometic for around $350. Does that sound about right? <br>-Bruce
 
&nbsp;Is that Dometic a compressor style fridge? Dometic bought Waeco, so now makes both compressor and absorption fridges. ..Willy.
 
Hi Willy, I believe it is a compressor model. Here is the description; <br>Dometic CDF-11 Waeco Portable Refrigerator Freezer DC only. <br>-Bruce<h1 id="itemTitle" class="it-ttl"><span style="font-size: medium;">&nbsp;</span></h1>
 
I'm living the bare minimum now...

All I really have is:

A duffel bag with all my clothes
2 beach towels
a Coleman 533 stove and a Soviet era built Shmel-2 stove as a gasoline powered back up.
A Helikon mess kit
A Bundeswehr utensils set
A cutting board
A 600 watt coffee machine
An Ikea futon
An Ikea confertor
A Ray-o-Vac camping LED lantern
One plastic tub for food and cooking

No TV, no mircrowave, no stove, no sh*tter, no nothing.
 
At first (and for a couple years) we thought we needed the "micro apartment" so we started with a fully self contained pop-up camper, then moved to a larger fully self contained hard side camper. We have everything, generator, microwave, furnace, toilet, shower, etc...

We now are wanting to go minimal. We never use the shower, microwave, generator (because it's too noisy, burns wayyy to much fuel, and is broken). We constantly use the furnace, but that's mostly too keep our fresh/waste tanks from freezing (they are heated/insulated).

When we downsize, we'll probably still have some sort of potty and heater, but I think we'll just use our ultralight backpacking stove for cooking. The last requirements are a permanent bed, permanent table/desk, and plenty of battery/solar.
 
I started this thread back before I had actually hit the road. I've been at it for five months now and encountered more than 50 other van dwellers and their approaches to and solutions for this life. Some are contented minimalists, some have a lot of stuff. I decided that one of my priorities was to avoid any convenience that might turn out to be more of a bother. For example, if I wanted a sink, I'd need some way to get water into and out of it. On the other hand, water poured from a gallon jug into a simple plastic container would be simpler. And if I heated water in a pot on the stove, I could just use it straight from the pot. Presto, a set of complications eliminated. My approach is to treat this life like I'm camping, not like I'm in an ultra compact apartment.
 
I also recently pondered about adding a sink to my van. After much thought, I concluded that my first major problem is that I don't have the space for it. Even if I did, I further concluded I don't want the hassle of emptying and refilling gray and clean water. I'd also be slightly worried if I had a sink that water might possibly leak and ruin my electronics one day. I know, I know, I'm paranoid, haha! So for now I simply keep in stock a couple large water bottles from local supermarkets. Plus I don't live in the boonies anyhow, I have ready access to water in the city. One day, I may get a used RoadTrek that's already self contained, but that's in the future.
 
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