Maybe we, interested in a "touring" version of the Sienna, better suited for van conversion, need to go to Toyota dealers, get info about hybrid AWD Sienna and ask for removable seats. I know I will. If they are not aware about the market interest, let's let them know.I'm hoping maybe by 2029 I can buy a NICE 2025 Hybrid Sienna that is a bit better designed for van camping.