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gonegary

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My Dad is a pretty tough old guy and he really liked to drive himself around even though he lived in elderly home.  He finally was just not up to it mentally or physically at around 80 years old.  He's now 91.   So I'm applying that knowledge of the potential end game to prepare as best I can.  The reason I'm posting this is because a lot of people here seem to be very similar to people on Permies or maybe survivalists or what have you.  The ideas all blend together, sustainability, green living, nature, low cost living, off grid etc.  I just wanted to say that if others are thinking the same thing about the possibility of having to have a home not on wheels eventually there are low cost ideas out there.  I'm personally building a passive solar off grid 800sq ft. house.  Straw bale infill, post and beam construction.  Nicer, no exposed nails metal roof.  The most expensive thing in the house.  That and the trusses.  I didn't keep good records, but there is no way it's cost over 20K.   What I really want to do next is build a smaller much less costly version and put the whole thing on youtube so others can see it's possible to live cheap on land as well.  Probably 5K tops.  I just drove through Kansas and they have signs about free land, homesteading.  Oklahoma where I'm living is very cheap.  You do need to be out of the city, but that's a plus to you folks right?  Basically, my house is an RV.  Stationary.   I hope I'm not offending anyone as I'm new here.  This is just meant as an eye opener to wider possibilties.   I'm going to use this as home base, travel from here and hope never to stop.  But we all can't fly a bi plane into a barn as our exit.  My daughter lives in OR and I think it's not against the law to end your own life there.  These things are on peoples minds legislatively.   Keep well  Gary
 
Welcome aboard Gary!
We sure would like to see some pics of that build(ing)....
 
Hi Welcome aboard,

I'd also love to see some pics. I have a similar goal to you. I like the idea of having a home base, but want a cheap one. I currently own a home in Maine on 3 acres but would really like to eventually relocate off the East coast, get a little more land and build my own small offgrid type cabin like you're describing.
 
Dern, there goes my plan on going out with a bang.  Second Hand Lions style!   :p

I have a set of plans for an earth sheltered solar view home, that I am looking for a location for~~~

Welcome, and as long as you do not talk election, or mean, you will fit in.   :D
 
I will post pictures soon. Mean time I'll elaborate. A passive solar house faces south. All but two small windows, one on the west and one on the east for ventilation face south. The house has at least a 30" overhang and in the south side it's 40". That blocks the summer sun completely out and allows most of the wintersun in. I say most because I goofed a little and the overhang is about 4" too long. Should be 36. The other main ingredients to passive solar are "high thermal mass" walls, floors, and anything that the winter sun is likely to hit. Through last winters experience I'm also adding a mini trombe "wall" made of one gallon water jugs painted black and set in front of those south windows. I found that the floor doesn't really act as a mass that helps heat since the earth sucks out the heat. The last ingredient is super insulation which in my case is straw bale infill walls. I had to go non natural in the attic so there is R30 fiberglass up there. I might actually add to that. The walls are probably R25-30 depending on who you believe and probably how good the air pockets are in the straw you buy. Bottom line is that this summer the highest the temperature has gotten inside the house is 85 and that is 103 outside for days prior to that high mark. One 103 day won't do it and actually it's the night time lows that are more important, if no low lower than in the 80's the house doesn't get a chance to cool off. I might get a window AC but I'd need at least 600 watts of solar probably just to run that. In winter I do need a little wall propane heater, no big deal. I do envision on my planned future smaller version to not need as much heating since part of my problem is the oversize nature of the 800sq ft. mostly too much north south dimension so the north side is too far away from the sun heat source. Gonna fix that problem on next one. I also made the mistake of believing a glazing site that gave a formula that wasn't total glass on the south side. That's BS you can go total glass on the south side. It also talks about the right kind of glass and yes you can get anal about all of this but I'm on a budget so I got window "doors" out of CL these happen to be super thick refridgerator doors like the ones at a convenience store where the beer is behind. On the next house I'm going to just use old sliding glass doors. You can see I just mudded them in after fastening them to the studs. I'll try to link to my youtube site. If I can't you can search for circular roof, I'm on the first page I think. Then click my name and it should take you to the house videos as well. Some of that I've improved upon in terms of method etc. So if you see the circular roof idea, with that I can make about a 200 or less sq. ft. mini house. or you could make two of them and put a hall connecting them. Anyway, that eliminates one of the higher expenses, trusses. Then I'm going to do a fiberglass roof like a boat sort of, you can google fiberglass roofs, and that should fix the other main expense of the roof. If you aren't into a round house you can just do a regular roof and if you do I'd reccommend a hip style and set your walls back 30" and 36" on the south. Or even better figure out how to have a 5ft. porch go all the way around the east , west and north side. I have a parking overhang on my north side which really helps keep the north from getting too cold and it's a good place to be in summer. Better yet, do as I'm going to do now, leave this area in the hottest months and coldest months. But again, this plan is for when I can't drive anymore so I have to think about enduring the worst. You can PM me if you want more details. This was probably more than anyone wanted to know.
 
This topic reminds me that many have gone before us and worked this out for themselves. I would love to hear from elder van dwellers about if things changed as they aged and they didn't choose to travel anymore. Perhaps driving became painful or dangerous. What do you do? How do you keep the freedom in a stationary dwelling. ???
 
Greetings.......Welcome.......Whatza  Permies"?  My family is orig from OK.   Ada & Enid.  Although a 1st generation Texican I lived on the river at Sand Springs and ran out of Tulsa as Escort for OD loads in the early '80s.  

I think there are more than a few here who are interested in developing a off grid lower cost home base, myself included.  I think straw bale structures are interesting.  What have you used as an exterior covering for the bales??  One of my favorite "alternative" building styles is from Mike Oehler " $50 and Up Underground House Book ".  His web site is UnderGroundHousing.com in case you or anyone is interested.

Somewhere I recently saw a shipping container underground/earth bearmed house. The older issues of The Mother Earth News have a lot of lower priced housing including some with circular roofs.  I have many issues of TMEN including the 1st issue.  The older issues had project plans in them for all kinds of things.  They now have the 1st 40yrs on those thingys that you plug  into a computer.  

It must be exciting to have land where you can pretty much do as you please and travel part of the year also.  I'd like to have a place where others could boon-dock when needed.

Again Welcome to CRVL         :D        Jewellann
 
gonegary said:
My daughter lives in OR and I think it's not against the law to end your own life there.

It's physician-assisted suicide (a lethal dose of narcotics) that's legal in Oregon -- and Washington, California and Vermont. But there are conditions and protections. Meanwhile, plain old suicide is always an option everywhere. I've seen enough people age to the point of not being able to take care of themselves or live like a human being. When I get to that point -- or maybe even before -- I'll check out. It will probably be messy unless I can score some good drugs.
 
People often overlook how messy trying to commit suicide can be. I hope more states follow suit like Oregon, albeit there are lots of requirements one must pass to earn that right. My girlfriend's grandfather tried three times before he was successful. His wife of 65 years passed away shortly before, they had been together since grade school, immigrated together during WWII and he just didn't see a future with out her. He wrote very touching letters to all of his children and one to his wife whom he was going to meet. On top of all that his health was failing him quickly and he recently lost his ability to drive. No one in the family was angry or mad at his decision and after his 1st attempt his Dr's wanted to commit him to a psychiatric hospital. Thankfully his family told the drs that was a ridiculous notion and over ruled it.
 
Every Road Leads Home said:
People often overlook how messy trying to commit suicide can be. 

Yes, I worked as a drywall repair guy and had to go  re do the entire office after this womans husband of 30 years used a shotgun in his mouth.   Basically had to gut the room, or at least that is what she wanted.   Then she had to sell the house, she couldn't sleep there anymore and his grandchild was the one who found him.  Got to think things out a bit.  I think women have the right idea, they typically take too many sleeping pills although I heard that is not a good idea since the success rate isn't very good.  My grandfather tried carbon monoxide because he had emphacema and was failing fast but not fast enough for him.  Trouble was he didn't pipe it into his car and you can't fill a garage so easily and damn if the emphacema short breathing actually made it worse as far as the idea working.  So yes I think Oregon and the other states have it right.  DIY isn't great.
 

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