firearms

Stillwater · Jan 10, 2012

There might be certain situations where I would say that pursuit to engage an intruder in my home is appropriate... in this case, sitting on my couch, approving engineering expense reports while a glass of scotch is in my hand and an Earth 2 rerun is running in the background - I can armchair quarterback and say that I would ABSOLUTELY not have pursued the man that just pushed his way into my home, violently grappled with me and then kicked my cat. In the moment, while dealing with a younger, presumably stronger home invader who appeared to be a very real danger to someone 84 years of age... I'm not gonna be the backseat driver.<br><br>There are a lot of scenarios that, in retrospect, I might have dealt with differently. Scenarios, that when played out in imaginative, calm sobriety, one can plot the <b>best </b>course of action while mulling over the all possibilities with the luxury of time - well, one can establish a pretty clear course of action.<br><br>I'm relieved that the law will protect him when, all facts considered, he was still dealing with a violent home invader. I'm elated that he was legally able to defend himself in the sanctity of his own home from a violent stranger.<br><br>I'm saddened that an ill man who had lost all reason met his end due to symptomatic behavior of his illness and the lack of a responsible guardian.<br><br>[Only semi-related: I will admit that I am somewhat jaded from working in news in a metropolitan area where daily we have yet another violent offender being sentenced, buried or pursued who is lauded by family and friends as "really being a good boy." My level of remorse for true criminals who are injured in the pursuit of crime lessens daily. Again... the situation above is a tragedy, no doubt.]<br>

Seraphim · Jan 11, 2012

[Only semi-related: I will admit that I am somewhat jaded from working in news in a metropolitan area where daily we have yet another violent offender being sentenced, buried or pursued who is lauded by family and friends as "really being a good boy." My level of remorse for true criminals who are injured in the pursuit of crime lessens daily. Again... the situation above is a tragedy, no doubt.]

No argument.

Hindsight is 20/20. Might this discussion be of future assistance to one reading it now?

When DW and I were moving to NC, there was a local fuss the day we arrived about a man who shot an intruder crawling in through a kitchen window. The man killed his son, who had locked himself out of the house.

I would like to have faith that everyone would act responsibly, as the lady in the first example. She identified the threat, and when there was no choice she shot. One more scum bag gone from the world.

With all the guns out there, I suppose most people are acting responsible with them. Perhaps I expect too much from people. Perhaps I don't credit them enough.

Thanks for the discussion, however. It was informative, whether or not we ever completely agree.

Stillwater · Jan 11, 2012

And my thanks to you. My mind is not closed to the subject though experience has taught me some rather impacting and lasting lessons. We could sit around a fire, relating our experiences and resulting views, doing so civilly and enjoying ourselves.

Thank you!

Stillwater · Jan 11, 2012

A good reminder: the the four primary rules of gun safety as codified by the great Jeff Cooper:

1. Treat all firearms as if they are loaded, all the time.

2. Never point the muzzle at anything you are not willing to destroy.

3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on your target.

4. Always be sure of your target.

Seraphim · Jan 11, 2012

We could sit around a fire, relating our experiences and resulting views, doing so civilly and enjoying ourselves.

Look forward to it.

lampliter · Jan 14, 2012

Rules:<br>Perception is reality.<br>Is my perception of this situation actual or imagined?<br>Is my thinking critical or am I just freaked out?<br>Is this threat armed?<br>Do I really find it necessary to take this life? Is there an escape route for me?<br>Your pepper spray should always be with your firearm.<br><br>This has to happen in 1/1,000,000th of a second.<br><br>Firearms training is not a joke.<br><br>

VanTramp · Jan 15, 2012

While everyone is listing wise things to remember, JHP for populated areas, FMJ for woods walking <img src="/images/boards/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle"> <div><br></div><div><br></div>

Stillwater · Jan 15, 2012

VanTramp said:
While everyone is listing wise things to remember, JHP for populated areas, FMJ for woods walking <img src="/images/boards/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle"> <div><br></div><div><br></div>

<br><br>What VanTramp said.<br><br><br>(Adding that I like hard cast for woods walking, if we're talking revolvers.)<br>

lampliter · Jan 16, 2012

I can add:<br>Corbon hydrashock .38 for close in.<br>For woods-300 grain solid nose out of  a Taurus Raging bull-454 casul.<br><br>

Stillwater · Jan 16, 2012

^^ <img src="/images/boards/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle"> ^^<br><br>My newest application for this quandary: Mossberg 930SPX.<br><br>Buckshot for close in.<br>1 oz. rifled slugs out to 100 yards.<br><br>

lampliter · Jan 16, 2012

Yes; Mossberg makes some nice "guns".<br>I like the one called JIC cruiser-comes in tube-really nice for backpacking.<br>Can be accesorized for different apps.<br>

VanTramp · Jan 18, 2012

paddling_man said:
^^ <img src="/images/boards/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle"> ^^<br><br>My newest application for this quandary: Mossberg 930SPX.<br><br>Buckshot for close in.<br>1 oz. rifled slugs out to 100 yards.<br><br>

<br><br>

<div><br></div><div>Nice man! </div><div><br></div><div>I will probably keep our 500 cruiser, but I do want to get another rig more along these lines too. Probably a Benelli M4 though. Love them! Still have to get an AR first too. I may need to get a bigger van after all! </div><div><br></div><div>That is a sweet rig!</div>

wilcofan · Jan 19, 2012

Just one caveat of the law concerning the Castle Doctrine in Ohio. Someone breaking into your house in the state of Ohio does not give you permission to shoot them. It limits the civil liability for shooting them, but you may still be found criminally liable. You have to prove that you had a reasonable fear of physical harm to yourself or another member of the household. And you can not use deadly force to protect property here.  I.e. if someone broke into your house and tried to steal your television, or even your car, you would not be justified in using a firearm to stop him. While you don't have a duty to retreat from your home, you don't necessarily have the right to use deadly force against an intruder. I know this isn't the case in the story that was posted, but I only mention it because a lot of people think that we have a "stand your ground" doctrine like Florida, but that is not the case.<br><br>

Seraphim · Jan 19, 2012

<p style="margin: 0px;"><a href="http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=127_SB_184" target=_blank>http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=127_SB_184</a></p><p style="margin: 0px;"><u></u> </p><p style="margin: 0px;"><u></u> </p><p style="margin: 0px;"><u>(b) The person engaged in conduct that, if prosecuted, would constitute a felony, a misdemeanor that is an offense of violence, an attempt to commit a felony, or an attempt to commit a misdemeanor that is an offense of violence and that conduct was a proximate cause of the injury or loss for which relief is claimed in the tort action, regardless of whether the person has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to or has been charged with committing the felony, the misdemeanor, or the attempt to commit the felony or misdemeanor.</u> </p><p style="margin: 0px;"> </p><p style="margin: 0px;">The key elements for Ohio's CD are listed above. For one's peace of mind, it might behoove an individual to know the definitions of trespass, burglary, robbery, and to know the classifications of each (misdemeanor or felony).</p><p style="margin: 0px;"> </p><p style="margin: 0px;">Each Castle Doctrine is worded differently.</p><p style="margin: 0px;"> </p><p style="margin: 0px;">Fore knowledge of the wordings in your locality could not hurt...</p><p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>

Seraphim · Jan 19, 2012

Follow-up to the dementia shooting...<br><br><br><A href="http://www.fox19.com/story/16544154/prosecutor-no-charges-filed-in" target=_blank>http://www.fox19.com/story/16544154/prosecutor-no-charges-filed-in</A><br>

Seraphim · Jan 22, 2012

My personal preference would be the .357 combination - again, the higher velocity of the magnum round if you're concerned about larger animals. Rifle and handgun chambered the same is a good idea, I think. .45 ACP, 9mm, .40 cal not as much energy, generally.

Ammunition manufacturers probably post velocity/energy data online. Been a long time since I looked at them.

Only advantage of the auto,is magazine capacity, IMO. More things that can cause a misfire - lack of cleaning, weak magazine spring, improperly seated magazine... To name a few.

lampliter · Jan 23, 2012

My current---Savage 93-.17HMR---cheap to shoot-50 rounds for about $12.<br>Very accurate.<br>

cyndi · Feb 5, 2012

OT, but I saw <a href="" target="_blank"><b>this</b></a> and thought some of you would enjoy it. I know I did!<div><br></div><div>I like guns and I like blowing things up!</div>

lampliter · Feb 5, 2012

Dam straight. <br>

johnny_canuck · Feb 5, 2012

firearms

Help Support Van Living Forum:

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Similar threads

Join the conversation!

Join today and get all the highlights of this community direct to your inbox. It's FREE!