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bodineahrens

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Going up tp Daytona RV Monday to check out  2021 WP-16BHS.
Any of you folks have input, pros & cons. Has a lot of features we like. It will be used in middle Fl. till April then up to Shady Valley Tenn.
Thanks in advance Geoff & CJ
 
My wife bought a 2019 Grey Wolf(25 foot version of the popular Cherokee) by Forest River to basically sit on a lot South of Tucson. I insisted on no slides knowing of the many build quality issues I had heard of. It was towed to Tucson from the East as the “no slide version” was only being offered on the East coast. It arrived with several issues that were supposed to be fixed and delivered to our lot 8 miles down a rough dirt road and set up. Besides the steps and door not quite aligning(screen door bends easily to a point the screen pops out if any weight is out on it coming through the door) and therefore the door lock mechanism not working it arrived with only the sliding shower off track as it was out of alignment or maybe a stop is missing, at any rate I was able to get it back in track which I have to do every time we open it too far. The awning cap on the electric motor broke off the second time we ran the awing in and out probably due to binding. Putting the equalizer hitch into the storage I noticed many split pieces of wood and panels improperly cut and hastily installed to sort of encase the water heater. Went to hook up Solar but it requires a proprietary plug and therefore an adaptor. Since it was bought as a stationary residence pretty much I decided to not tear it up further taking it in for warranty repairs which I can do on site. It had the roof treatment put on twice and has set in the super hot Arizona sun for a year now. The plastic cover trim that hides the screws in the strip that runs the length of the trailer holding the roof to the walls split and fell out while sitting this year as well as the side door weather stripping. The sunny side where the front curved wall meets the nose piece has shrunk to a point the is a 1/2” to 1” gap and I can see into the inside of the trailer where the particle board forms the inside wall from the outside! My wife loves the trailer that I keep having to fix as all the appliances seem to work well, thank goodness we are not pulling it down the road and we got it at a very low price as well as it is fixable being wood framing with metal panels. It may only move one more time in it’s life. The roof has a good warranty(12 years I believe) but with plastic skylights and rubber roof I’m glad it is somewhere it doesn’t rain. It works for my wife not so much for me as I see me having to build a garage for it in the future to keep the harsh environment from destroying it. My home built camper is doing just fine setting next to it with few problems.
 
bullfrog said:
My wife bought a 2019 Grey Wolf(25 foot version of the popular Cherokee) by Forest River to basically sit on a lot South of Tucson.

Geez Froggie, that's a lot of things going wrong for an one year old!
 
Really pretty typical if you check. It is crazy how poorly built these things are and what the people buying them are willing to accept. Probably why quality campers, the few there were, got priced out of business. I’m getting old and my wife gets stubborn when she wants something. She is younger than me and still working therefore paying for the trailer. I was able to save her several thousand dollars off the initial purchase so it won’t be as expensive a lesson as it could have been. And we still have my camper if it all goes bad. Over the years she has had to suffer through a lot of my expensive lessons so I’m just here to help her try to stay oblivious enjoying her new trailer. Happy wife, happy life!
 
Held together with staples and little dabs of quick drying glue.

Similar to the code turned out by "90 day wonder" software engineers.
 
Ours had a lot of screws that were added at really odd angles, like they tried to fix it as an after thought! One of my friends bought a little smaller Coleman which he paid much more for and the first rain, water leaked in at the front roof seam which Camping World fixed by removing the panels and calking seams which were assembled dry. I’m just really happy water hasn’t been a problem yet.
 
Pretty much sop for campers.The one we have now leaked at the slide and wet the floor good.WhenI ripped the vinyl up to dry the floor I was pleasantly surprised to find the floor osb was the "water resistant" type instead of the cheaper stuff.The camper is a 2014 Wilderness and like everyone else,we have had our share of problems.Good luck.
 
Thanks all. Might have to go more $$ for a Winnie Micro-mini 1706-FB. Did not want to deal with 4 tires
 
In my opinion anything as expensive as a new camper trailer warrants the safety factor of 4 tires(two axles). Camping trailers tend to be a little more prone to flip than a utility trailer if you have high wind or a blowout. In my opinion the only new smaller camping trailers that are built well enough to last are close to $25,000 and closer to $55,000 in today’s market which is just crazy. Few if any sold below that have good reputations for good customer satisfaction. One of the reasons I started building my own even though I am a lousy woodworker and lack the patience, tools and skills to produce something acceptable to others is mine don’t leak or easily break and if they should they are easily repaired. This is all necessary if you are going to spend less than $5,000 to $7,000 and live in it. This is why so many have converted cargo trailers as well. Last time I looked $16,000 to $20,000 was the price for lower end trailers in that size. Prices have gone up due to Covid 19 and now is not a good time to buy an RV period. I would recommend waiting till the market settles then buying a used one. The fiberglass trailers seem to be better values as they have better resale and are less prone to roof leaks. Older ones need to definitely have their tires, frames and suspensions checked as most are single axle and have been know to fail but if you can fit in them seem to have the least problems.
 
I just saw a where Casita is raising their prices $2,000 after 1 November 2020 because of higher costs in obtaining materials during Covid 19 but even with that I believe there is a waiting list.
 
I agree Bullfrog. I think we will just stay/use our 1979 Chevy P-20 stepvan hillbilly camper for now. It is going to be the tow vehicle anyway. We have had it 11 years and it has done a good job for us. We sold and close on our house Dec.1 and have a 6 mos. Dec.4th reservation at Breezy-Acres campground in Chiefland Fl. Time now to wait and see what shakes out. Thanks for the input. Geoff & CJ
 
bullfrog said:
I just saw a where Casita is raising their prices $2,000 after 1 November 2020 because of higher costs in obtaining materials during Covid 19 but even with that I believe there is a waiting list.
Dangit.  That is what my end-game trailer has always been.  That just makes it worse.
And my Wolf Pup is now having a mouse or rat gnawing at the roof from somewhere inside.  Hot it got in there I don't know.  How to get it out, I don't know either.  But I do know it's raining and I know the rodent does not care.  I'm really, really worried.  I wanted this to last long enough for me to get a Casita -- and the lay-out is really nice, I love it -- but with these things, you never know.  I have a feeling I am in line for a major loss here, and sooner rather than later.  I don't even know if I can sleep tonight.  I bet the rodent can outlast me and my futile pounding.
 
Oof and I just looked at the Casita site now. It looks like all their prices have gone up about 40% or more already from just a couple years ago. A lot of their stuff that used to be standard is now an extra, and an incredibly expensive extra here and there. Doubled or more. I could see this trailer that used to top out at about $25k if you went pretty nuts going for $40k standard now. Being that trucks hold their value extremely well now, a good truck plus a Casita the way you really want it (you can't even get in some places without a toilet, for instance, and going without a heater can be done but is far from preferable) could easily go to $80k even if you buy used. We're starting to move well into "I've got plenty of money to do whatever I want" rather than "Oh dang, what can I do?" money. Wow, they are really capitalizing big-time.
 
The vinyl trim in the scrw cover tracks will always shrink over time. That is the nature of the material. Not exactly a defect but certainly annoying. The vinyl window seals will do the same thing. If you are replacing them with new material you need to leave the strips a few inches long instead of immediatly trimming off the excess. Because it not only shrinks but installing it can ssyretch it a bit and then it recovers that length by retracting baack to its actual size. The factory workers dont always do that step because of their tightdily time schedules for the work they are requied to do in a certain number of hours.

I have not worked in the RV industry but I spent a lot of years hands on building aircraft at Boeing including doing things like putting in interior pieces made of plastic, metal, vinyl and fiberglass or other composites. It is not always easy to fit them perfectly. But at least there the customers send in their own inspectors to check every step along the way during the build.
 
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