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Hey, I'm in Florida, too and there is land in Florida that is free to camp on. There are National Forests and Water Management lands that allow free camping.

I understand this thread but it looks like this Tuesday is going to be my first night in my tiny home :)
 
Rugster said:
Hey, I'm in Florida, too and there is land in Florida that is free to camp on. There are National Forests and Water Management lands that allow free camping.

I understand this thread but it looks like this Tuesday is going to be my first night in my tiny home :)

Yes but there are no national forests near where I work and the water management lands, if I'm not mistaken, has a camping limit of 2 weeks in a 12 month period.

Is your tiny home in Florida? Is it in an rv park or on your own land?
 
My tiny home is in North Florida ( Tallahassee area) on family owned land. I'll be living between my brother on one side (who bought my Grandmother's home after she passed) and my parents on the other. I'm going to help out with their bills and anything they need me to do. I also sort of wanted to move there so my kids will be able to spend more time with my parents since they are getting up there in age.
 
It's hard to predict the future, isn't it?!  I've roamed the U.S. in a small camper and a van (on vacations) for many years.  I lived in my van (a little old Ford cargo-type) for a straight stretch of seven months when I didn't have much else. With a large dog, a cat and a litter box.

The most important thing is what is best for YOU.  I  think you've got that down quite well.  It's easy enough to ignore strangers, but it's less so to ignore the people who are close to you (emotionally and physically).  Most of them are giving emotional advice to you on something they know nothing about, and it usually won't apply to you.  Other people are also quite free with advice on what you should do with your valuable belongings (like real property), with much of it not being in your best interests.

Most of the van campers and boondockers seem to fall into one of two general categories:  1) Sell everything and go, and 2) those who have a place to go home to if things get bad.  The first tend to have limited means, and the second have property, a good retirement or healthy bank account.  

One thing I've noticed since I've been checking out this subject (several weeks) is how many of the first type are often quick to advise you to downsize to virtually nothing, and they insinuate that you are a 'failure' to boondocking (etc) if you own anything that you can't fit in your van.  I literally cringe at this.  You're not going to sell your things for anywhere near their value, or what it would cost to replace them if you needed to.

Someone suggested that you stay on your own property in your vehicle, and rent out the house.  This could be a step closer to helping you make a decision, plus having other benefits.  The privacy fence and a garden are good ideas, but it also allows you to keep a close watch on what the renters are doing with your property.  Talk to landlords and listen closely to the horror stories: extreme damage, cleaning up after horders, meth maggots, people with 'anger management issues' who take much of it out on the house with an axe, those who pay and then stop, and you have to have them legally evicted (often difficult if they have minor children*).  Now think of living a thousand miles away and you didn't know it was going on.

Suggestion:  If you have a  home that is larger than you need, choose two rooms if you can, and dedicate one to KEEP and one to GET RID OF.  Gradually go through your things and box them up (Home Depot has pretty cheap boxes for $1 to 2 -- having just two or three sizes makes them easy to stack), and set each in one of the two rooms.  Not only does this help fix in your mind the level of importance of each item, it will help you decide what size storage unit to rent.

I am sort of looking at becoming a boondocker, due to my low income, the deterioration of my house, and my frustration at being unable to maintain this weedy, rocky acre of poor soil.

Personally, I'm not getting rid of my extremely comfortable queen bed, or my books, and some other things.  I'm a DIY person -- mainly due to circumstance -- and getting rid of all my tools and materials literally scares me to death.

Your #1 Priority:  Do What Is Best for YOU.

*If you can't unload bad, non-paying tenants, talk to a lawyer. We have a tremendously bad meth problem here in WA that the county doesn't want to deal with, and Child Protective Services that doesn't do its job.  Some landlords were having a hard time evicting them because of the kids, until one of them discovered that if they were to put the house up FOR SALE, the sheriff would evict the deadbeats.  So, several of the landlords put their properties up for sale and just traded them to each other. It was legal.  It was just about the only smart thing I've seen here.
 
That was a very good, well thought out post, TrainChaser. Circumstances, needs and levels of "comfort" can be as individual as each person, so advice can also be quite varied when choosing to embark on a nomadic, minimalist lifestyle. Katewels, if you are worried about such a drastic change, try renting out your house for one year, and going on the road before taking that big plunge of nomadic life. A year would certainly acclimate you to what the lifestyle entails. That way, you're not risking everything, only to find out much too late that it was a huge mistake for you personally. If you end up really loving the lifestyle, then you could put the house up for sale. If you end up not liking it, move back into the house when the tenant's lease is up. 

For us, we can't wait to shed this ball and chain of a house. We don't want to be responsible for a house any more, so we're selling everything and going into an RV full time. This choice, however, is not for everyone. It is, again, a very personal and individual journey. There is no "one way" or "right way" to do it. Good luck in whatever you choose to do  :)
 
Would advise against renting out the house. Dealing with tenants you want to get moved out will be difficult. But great discussion so far.


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I will become a van dwelling nomad by choice but I also frequently have those same moments of doubt where I'm afraid I'll end up thinking, like you, what has my life come to.  I've worked very hard in life to get where I am by doing well in school, going to college, moving up the ladder to a very good well paying job.  And I think, why would I give that up by choice?

Then I realize it's all the fear crammed in our brains from a very young age and I know that I will have a more amazing life on the road then now.  I work long days, get very little sleep, I'm always stressed out at work, I hate my job, and I work to pay ridiculous money on rent, utilities and everything else.  I very rarely get to enjoy life.  So yeah, I'll earn much less on the road but I'll also have far less living expenses.  It seems like a great trade off to me for a fun, stress free, enjoyable life.

I think your fears are normal, but I think you will find they are unfounded once you do it and will be happy you did.  Great idea to do some trial run trips first and see how it feels to you.

Best of luck in whatever you chose and I look forward to seeing your plans work out.  :)
 
Cheli, I was in your space at one time, so I can wholeheartedly relate. I was a nightclub/bar/restaurant manager, managing two places simultaneously in Las Vegas for 16 years. The stress was incredible, and I never really had time to enjoy my life. Sure, I had the home, the car, etc., but I was always exhausted! I don't miss that at all. The way I look at it, is I'll never have that "what has my life come to" feeling....after all, once I park the rig, the WORLD is my living room  :D, and I can change that world at will. That wasn't possible when I was in that "career" mode. 

I once rented out my place, sold everything in it, and only had the contents of 5 suitcases left. Drove down to Long Beach, and shipped my car to Hawaii. Everyone I knew thought I'd gone off my rocker, but it was SO freeing, and so much fun to plant my footsteps in the sand and swim in the Pacific.  :D

If we rent this place out to leave, I'm careful about who I rent to. The best choice are middle aged or retired folks. I didn't have a problem with my renter in Vegas by choosing very carefully.
 
There are advantages and disadvantages to most everything. Only you can figure out which one's of each you prefer. I would suggest that the only way to know is to try it, but don't burn any bridges just in case it doesn't work out. I tend to look at all the advantages to things and after I jump in, I get to realize the disadvantages.
You could try just living in one small room. Pretend that room is your van. Sell or donate the bed, and start using a cot or recliner. See if you can do without a bathroom, or washer and dryer. Store and prepare your meals in that room. You could also disconnect from the grid. Get the same amount of solar cells that you would put onto your vehicle, and power your room from them. Heat and cool that room as you would a van. turn the furnace and A/c off in the house. Turn off the water going to the house, and go into town to get the jugs of water that you need. practice bathing by heating the water as you would in a van. Go through the steps of getting your residency established without using your address, (drivers license, insurance, mail, etc). You may find that a van just will not do for you, and a class B or small class C will be the minimum that you need.
 
Thanks everyone for all of your support and suggestions. I've returned from my trip. I was hoping this would give me a clear answer as to what I wanted to do.

So the first part of my trip I was trying to cook all my meals at the campsite. Between cooking and cleaning up and having to walk my dogs because I couldn't just leave them out in the backyard like at home, I found myself asking when does this stop being work and start being fun. It seemed like there was always something to do. I know if I had a van set up with a kitchen that would alleviate that problem.

The biggest thing I noticed was that I felt very isolated, especially at the first two campgrounds because I was quite a distance from town. This surprised me because I am introverted and enjoy time by myself. The third campground was nearer to a town so I felt better being able to drive into town and I was also able to eat some meals out so I was able to relax a little more. As soon as I got home I didn't feel so alone even though I was still alone so I'm not sure what to make of that. Maybe because I know I have connections where I live.

So here's what I loved about the trip: I loved being in nature. I loved being surrounded by trees and sitting by a campfire. I loved the small space of my teardrop. I loved that it felt like I was sleeping outside even though I was protected by being in the teardrop.

Maybe that means for me I need a small house as my home base and I still could take off with my teardrop whenever I feel like it?

Right now I love my job because I get to help children. It gives me purpose and to me that is most important. I don't see a way to go tiny here because of all the crazy regulations other than spending most of my time in the backyard. I do want to start downsizing all my stuff for right now. That in itself may take me a year.

So that is where I am right now.
 
It's good to do a test run.
Sounds like you enjoyed it for the most part . It does take a while to get used to a whole new way of living.
Keep doing them when you can and it might grow on ya !
If not , there you are. Good that you're happy doing what you do too !
No matter where you go ,,,,there you are !
 
rvpopeye said:
It's good to do a test run.
Sounds like you enjoyed it for the most part . It does take a while to get used to a whole new way of living.
Keep doing them when you can and it might grow on ya !

I think you are right. It felt like a lot of work at first because I didn't have a "system" yet. I was constantly looking for things. Normally I love hiking with my dogs. I was just so exhausted getting ready for this trip and I brought way more than I needed.

Still not sure why I didn't enjoy the alone time but maybe that will change next time.
 
Katewels said:
I think you are right. It felt like a lot of work at first because I didn't have a "system" yet. I was constantly looking for things. Normally I love hiking with my dogs. I was just so exhausted getting ready for this trip and I brought way more than I needed.

Still not sure why I didn't enjoy the alone time but maybe that will change next time.
If you started off tired because of trying to get ready for the trip then it's no wonder you felt exhausted out there.

Not having a place for everything and everything in it's place would exhaust me. I see so many who can live this way but it's not something I would ever want to do.

Practice makes it all better when you're cooking outside. I have my summer kitchen set up now for the summer but my food and cooking utensils are still stored in the van. I've learned to think the meal through and pull everything I need from forks to spatula, pot/pan, food/condiments, etc all together BEFORE I step out to the kitchen. I don't waste time going in and out for stuff I need.

As to the alone time, that too will take practice. It also seems to make a difference when you know that there are friends nearby, not next door, just within a days' driving time if you needed them.
 
Bitty said:
I think your plan sounds solid. It's ideal to experiment to get an idea of what you're comfortable with...............

My advice would be lots of field experimentation and downsizing of "stuff" before downsizing the house. Getting rid of the right things in your life but keeping what's important to you personally is a learned skill, one that many folks in first world countries never bother obtaining. Getting familiar with needs, important wants, and how it feels when there's something you kinda want but your actual life would be better off without it--all these are lines that only you can draw. Thoughtful practice and experimentation generally leads to positive results.

Good luck! :)

This ^
It takes time to begin finding your very own comfort zone. It will become evident as you experiment with your wants and needs what that zone is made up of today. Tomorrow you may find you need to change some or all of it. That's the way most of our lives have progressed as we became individuals. Go as fast or as slow as your comfort level requires and for heavens sake it's OK to change your mind.
Your among friends and your gonna be fine. :shy:
 
One thing that stands out while reading of rvers who were getting ready to leave their homes, they said that the downsizing of the stuff made them feel so free. My stuff felt like a ball and chain, and here are these people saying it feels so free.

I started by throwing out one thing a day. Pretty soon, I was making weekly runs to the Goodwill or dump. When my living room started getting cleared out, I walked back and forth, it was so nice having space! (Ok, I had a bit too much stuff.)

Today, I look at my place and think, "Soon, 95% of this stuff will be gone."
 
I did not notice if you said your age, but it's really no matter, I will make one small suggestion. When you sell or give away your things keep enough to furnish a small apartment. The basics anyway. I gave away almost everything, either to my older kids or friends, I was pretty sure I was croaking and wanted to simplify my estate ( estate makes it sound like there was a bunch, just my life insurance and a couple of cars).

Who knew that a Cardio-version MD would come in and extend things? Not I. But he did. He and a Nurse-Practitioner who got me moved to the head of the list for surgery and besides the 11 fun filled days hooked up to a ventilator, I am able to plan my journey. And it will be soon.

This is my long winded way of recommending you try it for awhile. Give it an honest shot so if you choose not to do it there won't be any regrets.

Whatever you decide to do make sure you don't have those little niggling doubts of if you could do it.

Love to see you out here and the first drink is on me.. As long as you drink Scotch, it's all I have.

Be safe, Rob.
 
I can relate to the 'second thoughts' aspect.
I like Gunny's suggestion of storing enough to be able to have a 'plan B'. I plan to do that and give the mobile lifestyle a one year trial.
I don't know what amenities your teardrop has, but have you considered something with a larger living space so the transition isn't as dramatic. I know, for me having to move things around every time you need to do the simplest task would get old real fast. i have a short list of things I absolutely need - being able to stand up (I'm 6'4"), lie down, eat decent food, drink lots of coffee, keep clean and have music, so my plans are built around those things. Without that, I'd feel very deprived.
There definitely seem to be 2 main motivations for going mobile - necessity and just a desire to experience freedom from the things that constrict us spiritually. I'm in the latter category - maybe you are too. Best wishes in your journey.
 
IanC said:
I can relate to the 'second thoughts' aspect.
I like Gunny's suggestion of storing enough to be able to have a 'plan B'.  I plan to do that and give the mobile lifestyle a one year trial.
I don't know what amenities your teardrop has, but have you considered something with a larger living space so the transition isn't as dramatic.  I know, for me having to move things around every time you need to do the simplest task would get old real fast.  i have a short list of things I absolutely need - being able to stand up (I'm 6'4"), lie down, eat decent food, drink lots of coffee, keep clean and have music, so my plans are built around those things. Without that, I'd feel very deprived.
There definitely seem to be 2 main motivations for going mobile - necessity and just a desire to experience freedom from the things that constrict us spiritually.  I'm in the latter category - maybe you are too.  Best wishes in your journey.

I'm thinking about getting a van to be the lounging, kitchen and bathroom and use the teardrop for a bedroom. I have another post in the van section of the van I am looking at.
 
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