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michaelbutak

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My first RTR and I have reviewed a lot of info about the 2019 RTR. One place I heard about people car tent camping. One video I saw with Bob walking and talking at last years RTR and in that video there with some aerial footage and I really could not see 1 tent. So that be the question; I drive a small pickup with a camper shell and carry a 10x14 Springbar Vagabond 7 (thanks Tina + Bob for the tent tip, tent is to be delivered in 2 days) that I will be staying in. So am I welcome to yooalls shin-dig?
 
Everyone is welcome regardless of how you get there or how you camp. I'll be in a tent as well. Bring a sledge hammer for our tent stakes.
 
Welcome Michael to the CRVL forums! To help you learn the ins and outs of these forums, this "Tips, Tricks and Rules" post lists some helpful information to get you started. We look forward to hearing more from you. of course your welcome, I don't even use a tent I sleep under a tarp. highdesertranger
 
There will b lots of tents at the RTR. Winds in the desert are often 20+ miles per hour, so the key to successful camping is heavy duty stakes. This means 12 inch or longer stakes made of rebar, & driven into the stony ground with heavy 1-3 pound hammers. The heavy stakes & hammers can be bought at K&B and other vendors in Quartzsite.
 
You can always park your vehicle in a place to help block direct wind. Long stakes also.
 
It looks like the nights are going to be below freezing, so come prepared.
 
A few RTR's ago I was there and will be getting there on the 9th or 10th with my 10' x 14' Kodiak tent. The ground is rocky and some rocks are sharp so bu sure to use a ground cloth (tarp) under the floor of your tent after looking over the ground. After driving over the rocky ground you will be tempted to set it up in a sandy spot but those usually mean you are in or close to a wash, never set up there! I use 1/2" x 12" lag bolts with plastic fender washers and ball bungees to attach to tent loops and lines. I screw in the lag bolts with a 1/2" drive 18 volt impact and still on some have to use the dead blow sledge hammer. Many stop at K&B tool and get reinforcing rod stakes (get the little plastic protective caps for sharp ends if you make your own) and you may want to get some flags or marker tape if your don't want to trip over the stakes. If you have never camped in your tent you might want to lay a thick soft piece of carpet in front of the door as there is a lip at the door bottom you will trip over untill you get used to steping over on the way out. Safe travelng, see you there.
 
it has been and it is very cold in the whole area. of course I mean relative to what it usually is this time of year. highdesertranger
 
Some people can see the down side to anything, must be a gift.
 
it's not a down side, it's a fact. after all I think people staying in tents want info on rain. I am not the one that posted the information. highdesertranger
 
Watching the weather is just one of the inconviiences of having a canvass tent. Sometimes especially if you are not immediately setting back up it is better to alter your plans and packup in dry weather or stay longer and dry out. Mold and mildew can greatly shorten the life of your tent or tarp. HDR are you still sleeping under your tarp or huddled up in the truck? Your answer will be the best indicator of how weather conditions are! LOL!!!
 
yeah bullfrog it's both. although the only time I am in the truck is when a pull in late or only spending one night at a location. highdesertranger
 
highdesertranger said:
it's not a down side,  it's a fact.  after all I think people staying in tents want info on rain.  I am not the one that posted the information.  highdesertranger

Thank you for being the downside, some people would  consider that the "sky is falling " person, the nervous Nelly, the glass is half full person, but no I see it as a public service. Thank you
 
Muffled a chuckle when my husband suggested the first thing I should do after setting up my tent is to dig a small trench around it. I laughed because 1.) I visualize rain down there as a flash flood and 2.) after my trial run setting the tent up in the living room felt like I needed a nap! Leaving Washington State on Jan 5th, route depending on weather conditions. Would like to camp near other women car campers....am disappointed I can not make it to the WRTR this year.  Expect to make it to the Quartzite area by Jan 8th.
 
please do not dig trenches around tents. this practice has been discouraged for at least 40 years maybe longer. highdesertranger
 
Using a ground cloth or tarp of slighty larger dimenions than the tent allows you to fold the excess over on top of itself around the outside edges and the crease of the fold needs to be an inch or so under the side walls of the tent. This raises the side of the tent slightly if it has a floor and creates a small lip or dam that diverts the water away from the floor of the tent and at worst under the tarp. It is a lot easier than digging and the tarp will make or provide protection from sharp rocks. Trenching is frowned on in some locations.
 
I've found that the problem with the soil around here isn't that it is rocky. It's that it is mostly super-fine, soft sand with some rocks in it. The ground looks more rocky than it really is because the top layers of dust have long since blown away, leaving a layer of rocks on the top. But if you dig down just a couple of inches, it is almost all fine dust with just a few rocks mixed in. 

The long stakes are needed just to keep them from being pulled out sideways. They need to be sturdy for just in case you hit a rock. Drive the stakes in at about 45 degrees instead of straight down. Angle the tip towards your tent as it goes into the ground. I use the kind of tent stakes that look like a large, chromed nail, with a green plastic "hook" on the top to keep the tent ropes from slipping off. They are cheaper, easier to drive in, and easier to carry around and pack away. You can get them at the exact same places in Quartzsite (the RV parts tent in Tyson Wells) as those gigantic rebar tent stakes. Mine cost about $1.75 each. I got the medium-length ones (about 14") but I do wish I had gone ahead and gotten the longer ones that are just about 18" long. Again, the ground is pretty soft. I'll probably get some of the longer ones once I get into Quartzsite again. 

As to the winds. Yup, they are really pernicious. I have a shower tent that I try to use for my porta-potty. However, for the last few days I haven't been able to leave the tent up. It hasn't blown away or down yet, but it sometimes looks as if it is just about to. Fortunately, I got one of those Green Elephant, pop-up shower tents, so it takes like one minute to set it up or take it down (not counting stakes, which I leave in place till I break camp).

When you choose your tent, choose one that has low, angled sides so the wind will slide right over it. You know, an aerodynamic tent.  :-/  Any tent with near vertical sides will have a lot more trouble. Then, try to put your tent on the south side of some big rig (of course ask first). Almost all of the winds so far have been coming straight out of the north. Open your weather app and set Quartzsite as one of the locations. Then check the wind every day to get an idea of what to expect. When the weather app says the wind is over about 11 mph, that is when I have trouble with my shower tent. But a well made, low to the ground, well staked tent should hold up. People have been doing it for years down here. 

P.S. Watch out for all the dudes here who will constantly tell you that you need to have the biggest, strongest, sturdiest "whatever" that money can buy. I think they think they get their "Man Points" by constantly pretending things need to be overkill just to get by at all out here. Some stakes that one person recommended (who shall go un-named) cost a whopping $45 each and are meant for holding down cell-phone towers.
 
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