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Disregarding the second paragraph in the original post I agree. People read about this lifestyle, join a forum or Facebook group and post " Ooh the vanlife. I want to be a vanner. What do I do?" Total cluelessness. Worse on Facebook. " Need help. Stuck again. used up all me free tows from AAA." Or "Broke down. Have no money. Can you help me?"

People seem to think that this is some kind of magic carpet ride where every problem is somehow taken care of. Well it ain't! Every person still has to assume responsibility for self and too many people don't get that. They feel entitled to help because they are one of "the tribe". There's just too many people in the world who can't pull their own weight and for some reason they think this is the answer. Quit your job, buy a van and hit the road. No money? No food? No gas? No worries. Everything will be fine. Just fine.
 
ratfink56 said:
Disregarding the second paragraph in the original post I agree. People read about this lifestyle, join a forum or Facebook group and post " Ooh the vanlife. I want to be a vanner. What do I do?" Total cluelessness. Worse on Facebook. " Need help. Stuck again. used up all me free tows from AAA." Or "Broke down. Have no money. Can you help me?"

People seem to think that this is some kind of magic carpet ride where every problem is somehow taken care of. Well it ain't! Every person still has to assume responsibility for self and too many people don't get that. They feel entitled to help because they are one of "the tribe". There's just too many people in the world who can't pull their own weight and for some reason they think this is the answer. Quit your job, buy a van and hit the road. No money? No food? No gas? No worries. Everything will be fine. Just fine.
There's a lot of that out there. But I think if we strive to be honest and keep the forum focused on the true reality of nomadic lifestyles people who are contemplating the move can better inform themselves as to the needs they have to meet on a daily basis. Taking away the Instagram "Rainbows and Sunshine stigma is a big step twords being honest about the lifestyle. As for the dozens of other social media sites that glorify nomadic life but ask for support on patron that's not a viable means of support. And the person thinking about going nomad better understand that before hand. Sure you get a little help now and again but sitting around with your hand out isn't going to work. It's like anywhere else in the world, you have to feed yourself pay for things and make money if you need it. Unfortunately there's still no free rides as if yet. But please post to the forum if you find the unicorn, rainbow and sunshine island that does it all for you. We'd love to visit.. just for a bit then it's back to reality.

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Quit your job, buy a van and hit the road. No money? No food? No gas? No worries. Everything will be fine. Just fine.

I think that mentality comes from the fantasy life that watching many vanlife YouTube channels and other vanlife info sources online tends to support. You know, the perfect couple that finds an old VW bus, restores it with no prior knowledge of automotives or prior carpentry skills, the bus turns out perfect and they quit their jobs, hit the road, and ride off into the sunset.

I think that is why it is so important that sources of good quality information are available for people to find. Yes, there are YouTubers who share what nomad life is really like, but it seems that too many are sharing and encouraging unrealistic expectations. It's why this forum is so important. People come here for real life advice, not sugarcoated nonsense. They come here for reassurance that being houseless doesn't make you less human. That you don't need to own a house full of furniture to live well. That part timing or full timing or dreaming are all valid stages of being nomadic. That having a plan for vehicledwelling makes it work so much better.


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Aww thanks! It's actually been awhile since I heard that song.

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Well said. Very well said. Somehow I didn't see that 'til after I posted my earlier post.

Peace,
~angie

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Planning is important because it makes it seem like we have been able to make something work we thought impossible when in fact most times we were just lucky. Somethings sometimes just happen. Being a nomad requires the ability to change as your enviroment may change daily. The skills learned here give a sense of freedom even if you don't use them because someday you may. Thanks Bob Wells and to everyone else that posts.
 
well it seams to me that many think this life will solve all there problems and be "free and easy" and that bob is the second coming.
 
Minivanmotoman said:
Angie, Angie
Where will it lead us from here
I assume this is the poetry section of the forum .....
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/58815/traveler-your-footprints

[font=Garamond, Baskerville,]Traveler, your footprints[/font]
[font=Garamond, Baskerville,]are the only road, nothing else.[/font]
[font=Garamond, Baskerville,]Traveler, there is no road;[/font]
[font=Garamond, Baskerville,]you make your own path as you walk.[/font]
[font=Garamond, Baskerville,]As you walk, you make your own road,[/font]
[font=Garamond, Baskerville,]and when you look back[/font]
[font=Garamond, Baskerville,]you see the path[/font]
[font=Garamond, Baskerville,]you will never travel again.[/font]
[font=Garamond, Baskerville,]Traveler, there is no road;[/font]
[font=Garamond, Baskerville,]only a ship's wake on the sea.[/font]
[font=Garamond, Baskerville,]- Antonio Machado[/font]
 
losthighwaydrifter said:
well it seams to me that many think this life will solve all there problems and be "free and easy" and that bob is the second coming.

Anybody who thinks that someone on the internet is the second coming had way bigger problems BEFORE coming across one of Bob's videos. 

Bob can't be responsible for people's perceptions. I've known Bob for quite a few years. He'll be the first one to tell anyone he's a very flawed human being. I've heard him say it many, many times.
 
As to those who might think he's their "savior", I guess I could see their appreciation since there are so many people who've been in such a bad place, feeling so badly about their impending houselessness, that when someone comes along and says "hey, you could live in your vehicle, here's how to do it", it's a breath of fresh air.

Lots of people carry around pity for homeless people, the reverse side of that is genuine fear of becoming homeless themselves. I've been homeless numerous times and the anxiety and shame I felt proceeding the first couple times was intense.

Learning to live a different lifestyle leads to better self esteem and self confidence. It's a WAY OF LIFE, not an UNFORTUNATE CONDITION. It's understandable that they would be thankful to the person responsible for "opening their eyes" to a new way of living. Seeing your life in a whole new way is empowering. You're not the victim in the story if your life anymore. Changing your mindset changes your stress level. Stress is toxic. This new mindset literally helps us to be healthier people both mentally and physically.

Bob may be partially responsible for educating many people about nomad life, but in 99.999% of cases he didn't do the work to get you where you are today, you did. It's like learning any new skill. Appreciate your teacher, don't idolize them.

~angie

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This thread has kind of gone off topic. It started with someone saying I can't believe so many people are so stupid. Saying I am amazed at the level of complete lack of knowledge most people I talk to have with things and basically lack of life skills. This is not belittling and insulting? At least I feel better as I was not dumb enough to say something like that. One of the life skills I learned is do not insult a group that you want to join.

Now it has gone to Bob Wells being the next Jim Jones. Is he still looking for land?
 
Thanks, sometimes I get an epiphany and I just gotta run with it.

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Thanks Angie.
 
Thanks guys for getting this thread back on track which I believe was meaningful poetry and musical lyrics. ? Here’s my contribution...

Ramble On
Led Zeppelin

“Leaves are falling all around
It's time I was on my way
Thanks to you I'm much obliged
For such a pleasant stay
But now it's time for me to go
The autumn moon lights my way
For now I smell the rain
And with it pain
And it's headed my way

Ah, sometimes I grow so tired
But I know I've got one thing I got to do
Ramble on
And now's the time, the time is now
To sing my song...”
 
Lemon song, oof. After a bad start (gee, I'm rich and retired at 40, whatsamatter with everybody else), this thread has found a theme. All the old stuff, just remembering  ... Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, Clapton, The Doors.

I've got one I'm sure none of you have heard in years. Ghostriders, for all you cowboys in Arizona,

[size=small]"Then cowboy change your ways today ..."
 
Hi, losthighwaydrifter. First, I want to commend you for rising above your childhood experiences, and making a good life for you and your family.  That sort of focus and perseverance is an admirable trait.  It seems to me, from my own experience, that many who have this trait do find it hard to empathize with people who don't appear to share their 'work ethic?'  In some cases, I won't hazard a as at the statistics, this may be true.  In many cases, that I know of personally, life can quite simply just wear a person down or circumstances can erode away at a life savings.  The main handicap, with a lack of empathy, comes when a false sense of pride narrows your thinking and leaves you unprepared for a time when you can't just work more hours or take on another job or send less.  If your identity is centered on what you have achieved through your hard work, or based off what you do - losing that ability is devastating and the 'loss of identity' can be crippling.

Anyway, sorry.  I wasn't intending on being preachy.  Your original post has been mulling about in my mind and the plus side of typing fast is what is in the brain usually ends up in the post.  Also, a negative side.  Because, well.  Rambling.

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From your original post: "...[font='droid sans', sans-serif]I feel I got to say this and not judging or looking down on anyone I mean I am heading in to this life full force. but for a group of people depending on with unconventional living in a vehicles. I am amazed at the level of complete lack of knowledge most people I talk to have  with things and basically lack of life skills.[/font]

[font='droid sans', sans-serif] Tired of paying rent? I get it but why were u paying rent not owning a place? in there 60s living like there 20s? no $$ savings? assets? I mean I'm venting. I mean if $ is a problem stop spending and work more.  I came from a VERY bad childhood (drug addict parents) dad (was biker and heavy in a club)was murdered when I was a teen. I had NO help support just a desire to not be broke and hungry and made a very good living. worked 2 jobs worked sick/hurt saved did what ever I could to make $$$...."[/font]

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[font='droid sans', sans-serif]Why pay rent?  I can only speak for myself, so what I have to say is anecdotal at best.  I was a home owner.  Loved my home.  Lost it, due to circumstances outside of my control.  I could elaborate on this, but I won't.  Most of us have tragic tales from our pasts.  I won't burden the masses with mine.  [/font]

[font='droid sans', sans-serif]Back to rent, for many many years I missed having my own home and considered buying one but chose not to.  I didn't want to take on the financial burden of home/appliance maintenance and costs, as well as property taxes, landscaping/lawn maintenance.  Owning a home is not necessarily cheaper.  Also, because of the reason I 'lost' my home, I moved around a fair bit.  I was afraid to be in one place too long.  As a single mother of 4 sons, saving money was hard.  Much of the time is was just a matter of simply trying to survive one month to the next.  Half my income went to pay for childcare, while I worked the long hours necessary for a single provider to make ends meet.  At the same time, I was ill.  I have Lupus.  The long hours, pain and sickness wore me down to the point that my ability to work diminished exponentially.  Any money I did manage to save, went to car repairs or other numerous life expenses. [/font]

[font='droid sans', sans-serif]Working more?  The first 20 years of my career I worked 84+ hours a week, working Turnarounds at an Exxon Refinery.  12+ hours a day, 7 days a week for months on end with a couple weeks off once the project was completed only to 'turnaround' and do it all over again on the next project. [/font]

[font=droid sans, sans-serif]Spending less?  When you are living month to month, and worrying about feeding your kids and keeping the utilities paid, you can only DREAM of having money to blow. [/font]

[font=droid sans, sans-serif]Through it all, my kids and I were never homeless and we survived and I hope even thrived despite the circumstances.  [/font]

[font=droid sans, sans-serif]Now, they are grown and no - I don't want to pay rent any more, but only because I can't stand the idea of being tied down in one place without having the resources to travel.   I'm on a fixed income.  Thankfully, I did work many hours and so my Disabillty is more than many less fortunate have to live on so if I work things right I can have my home and drive it too.[/font]

[font=droid sans, sans-serif]Originally I had looked into an RV.  After speaking with friends who have lived long-term in RV's and researching all the different types and logistics in traveling in one, I came across some videos on YouTube that opened my eyes to a different option.  One I'm very excited about.[/font]

So, in regards to empathy.  I have it, because I can relate, but I know that different perspectives lend toward less empathy and a frustration toward people for not understanding why they don't pull themselves up by their bootstraps and do better.  If you find yourself, in the future, meeting new people who are living a Nomadic Lifestyle, maybe take time to hear their story and recalibrate a little bit of your perspective ?  

Best wishes on your new journey.

Charlotte
 
If you're a Johnny Cash fan you had better know that song[emoji3][emoji111]

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I never much liked the late JC's whiskey songs, but allegory is always fun. Two other bits, not from JC, actually having something to do with "Then cowboy change your ways today ...", and why I got into vanning:

Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run
There's still time to change the road you're on

To be a rock and not to roll
 
Nicely said and well put RowanFae.
Great compassion for your fellow man, making you a great soul. We all need more of that
Life is experience and the wisdom to understand/ cope with it all.
 
Been on both sides of the coin. I understand and agree somewhat, in certain circumstances, and not in others. I do see it, and I have my own opinions of the whys of it. But, thats all they are.
I love to learn new things and I am thrilled to get to teach. I spend a number of years at my daughters old apt complex, mostly with the neighbor kids cause they actually wanted company lol. They taught me alot, and I taught them. I still plan to go by and visit them when I can.

I own my own home I paid for in cash. It was kind of a fluke how it happened, but its mine. Its in a very rural area and set up to be off grid if I want, which mostly I do. My light bill average is $10.00 a month. Yearly taxes are average $110.00
I have an acre and can do whatever I want. Just got couple neighbors but they are good peeps and I try too.
It is my homebase and I plan to keep it until I cant function on my own, which hopefully will be many years.
I am liking the idea of at least traveling a bit in a van because I am at the place where I think I would enjoy doing that.
Thats all.
Bob, I found him years ago when this site first got going. He is a good and kind man and has helped countless and probably has to be one of the most patient tolerant humans around, haha, for sure.
 
I have meet several people who live this way, whom for the better part were very discouraging about this life style. whining about there hardships/lack of money and in all but 1 case did so while smoking(not cheap) and sitting next to hundreds of dollars worth of scratch off lotto tickets. its one thing to be in a tough spot and still another to be unable to physically work but to whine and complain with the poor me! song and dance while showing extremely poor financial decisions. all while admitting to sponging off the government with welfare/ssdi/food stamps/food banks and society in general. knowing every spot for a free hand out is not a life skill!
 
losthighwaydrifter said:
I have meet several people who live this way, whom for the better part were very discouraging about this life style. whining about there hardships/lack of money and in all but 1 case did so while smoking(not cheap) and sitting next to hundreds of dollars worth of scratch off lotto tickets. its one thing to be in a tough spot and still another to be unable to physically work but to whine and complain with the poor me! song and dance while showing extremely poor financial decisions. all while admitting to sponging off the government with welfare/ssdi/food stamps/food banks and society in general. knowing every spot for a free hand out is not a life skill!


SSDI is an insurance program I paid into for 38 years. 7.5% of my check, every check I ever made, was taken out. My various employers also paid in 7.5%. I had to become too ill to work, be seen by many specialists, go through a difficult process with Social Security and be approved by their doctor. It isn’t and entitlement. I paid for it since I was 16 and started work.

Now SSI is an entitlement for people who can’t work. But SSDI is my money being paid back to me. I have to be reviewed every so often by Social Security to determine if I am still too sick to work.

I don’t sponge off anyone. I pay for myself. I take care of myself. I don’t get any government assistance, I live full time in my RV on my SSDI.

I don’t know who you are hanging out with, but no one I have camped with is similar to your description. In two plus years on the road I have met a lot of people and none of them are as you describe.


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