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Yes, they have quite a cult-like following. I regularly check the AZ craigslists and see that good ones do get a little pricey.

A few years ago a group rode the TransAm trail on 5 of these but they had Lifan motors like Hugemoth has in his:

https://www.advrider.com/f/threads/trans-america-trail-on-honda-ct90s.881177/
Here's a '68 CL90 that would be fun. Same motor but no sub-trans. Also 4-speed with clutch and not an auto clutch like a CT. That's an advantage for me:

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/mcy/d/higley-super-clean-classic-1968-honda/7440857484.html
Thats a nice one. I'm used to a clutch as part of shifting. I read Honda America noticed extremely high sales numbers for a 50 cc bike in the mid 60s from a dealer up in Idaho. He had been outfitting them with knobbies and setting them up for off road activities for hunters, fishermen and ranchers. Legend has it Honda based the Trail 90 on that concept.
 
The Honda Trail 55 was their first bike of this type. 50 cc pushrod engine with 3 speed transmission with an 78 tooth overlay rear sprocket. Very slow. Then came the pushrod 90cc engine with 4 speed transmission and overlay rear sprocket. In 1967 they came out with the 90cc OHC engine with the dual range gear box. For some reason they dropped the dual range gear box for the 1980 model CT110 but brought it back in 1981 until 1986 when production ended for the US market. Production of the "postie bike" continued for the Australian post office until a few years ago.

Until COVID hit we had an annual 10 day camp-n-ride at various scenic places in the west including Death Valley, Moab, Hells Canyon, Alvord Desert, Bend, etc.. Great fun with people coming from as far away as BC, Australia, and Kentucky. Up to 18 Trail 90s and 25 people camping and riding was great fun. If COVID ends we'll do it again.
 
I have two motorcycles that work well. a Yamaha XT 225 and a Suzuki DR 650. The latter weighs about the same as many new 300cc dual sports. It has been around for many years with great reliability The Yamaha is no longer made and the new 250's got taller and heavier. I also wouldn't mind having a Yamaha TW200.
I had a Honda trail 90, but it really wasn't much of a trail bike, (low ground clearance and even lower power). If you camp in the Southwest, you will be mostly on highways to get supplies. Something like a Walmart can be a hundred miles away. The XT225 has a 6 speed transmission and will do 65mph, but the DR650 will do 80 or more. I put a larger seat and fuel tank on mine and it can be used as an adventure touring bike.
 
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I always thought a motorcycle trailer or sidecar would be great as a 2nd vehicle for trips to town...

https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/products/honda-grom-sidecar/
Google turns up a lot of Cubs and Trails with sidecars too. Before I always thought you needed a big
bike to be able to use a sidecar!

I used to have a 1969 BMW R60/2 that had sidecar attachments when I lived in Los Angeles. I though about getting a side car for my coonhound Beulah, (photo in my avatar) to ride in. The problem is it would have taken away all of the advantages a motorcycle has in a city. Lane splitting to get through traffic, parking between cars to find parking, passing through narrow openings etc. Also changes the dynamics of using your weight and body positioning to control the bike when riding.

the bikes that come with sidecars, such as Ural, also link the drive of the rear wheel to the wheel on the side car. Making them 2 wheel drive and better off road. (also reverse) But under the right circumstances, a side car could be useful for carrying capacity. You'd need to be able to transport it in your main vehicle somehow. If it were collapsable that would be ideal.
 
I have two motorcycles that work well. a Yamaha XT 225 and a Suzuki DR 650. The latter weighs about the same as many new 300cc dual sports. It has been around for many years with great reliability The Yamaha is no longer made and the new 250's got taller and heavier. I also wouldn't mind having a Yamaha TW200.
I had a Honda trail 90, but it really wasn't much of a trail bike, (low ground clearance and even lower power). If you camp in the Southwest, you will be mostly on highways to get supplies. Something like a Walmart can be a hundred miles away. The XT225 has a 6 speed transmission and will do 65mph, but the DR650 will do 80 or more. I put a larger seat and fuel tank on mine and it can be used as an adventure touring bike.
When I used to tour on the BMW 1150 I would frequently encounter people riding Kawasaki KLR 650s, which seemed very capable as relatively lightweight dual sport touring bikes. I guess what would be called "Adventure touring" I know they come in well over 400lbs and seem a bit much for a hitch mount carrier. I think the DR 650 is around 365lbs? How do you carry it when you take it along?

That's not too much heavier than the DRZ400S or the dual sport 250's and 300's I'm considering. All in the 290-330lb neighborhood.
 
Dang. What will you be towing all that with?
Well, there won't be any horses on the trailer. My 92 Jeep YJ doesn't weigh a lot and my Goldwing doesn't either for that matter. The horse trailer is double axles so it'll easily tow the weight. As for what I'm pulling it with? 27' Class C with a Ford 460 motor. It gets 10mpg whether I'm towing my Jeep or not..

Now I just gotta get lucky and find another trailer since I missed the one on CL that inspired me..
 
This is the 2021 Trail 125. It looks very nice with a lot of improvements made to it.

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It does look nice. The differences, or things the old ones have that it lacks, and I wish it had; Low range gearing switch, latch to allow handlebars to be parallel to bike for storage, lack of optional passenger seat and pegs, and its about 70lbs heavier. For me the handlebar latch would allow me to store inside the back of my van. When I sell my other motorcycle and am ready, hopefully there will be some out at dealers I can test ride, along with the Honda CRF300L.
 
I've owned over 60 Motorcycles in my lifetime. Body no longer enjoyed bikes but I did not want to quit yet and bought into the scooter crowd. Can't explain it, but it's probably the most fun I've had on two wheels. Of course I did my homework, wanting the smallest/lightest scoot fully capable of an interstate jaunt when necessary.

Yamaha S-Max is what filled the bill. I liked the first one so much I bought a second one for my wife. Unlike the 125cc crowd, the 155cc Yamaha is the smallest displacement that can keep you from being run over. You can run 75-80mph all day all night if you need to. Thing is kind of a rocket off the line considering it is a "just a scooter". It will run with most small 250cc 4 stroke street bikes... Out run a 250 Honda Rebel for example.

I think it is around 330lb's, fits great in my cargo trailer.
 
I realize this is an old thread. Consider electric motorcycles and bicycles. Segway makes a light one, and if you have solar you can recharge it and the long term costs are low after purchase, plus they are very light.
 
I realize this is an old thread. Consider electric motorcycles and bicycles. Segway makes a light one, and if you have solar you can recharge it and the long term costs are low after purchase, plus they are very light.
Still under consideration, at least Ebikes. The electric motorcycles I've seen are quite pricy and don't seem to be quite there yet in terms of charging and charge life, particularly with a van electric system. The big advantage I can see with some ebikes is I can carry them inside of my vehicle instead of on a hitch-mount carrier and not attract the wrong sort of attention. But kind of a sitting duck if I had to cover ground on a highway.

I'm going to wait until I sell my current motorcycle, a touring bike, and 2 1970s Dutch bicycles, which were ideal when I lived in Venice Beach, Ca. where it was flat, but are much too heavy to travel with. The motorcycle and bicycles are both in storage in Mississippi and I'm not sure when I'll be back.

It's a terrible time to buy any used vehicles right now anyway. Looking at some lighter weight, air cooled dual sport motorcycles from years back and people are asking more now than they originally sold for new. Even at 10 - 20 years old and with 5-10,000 miles. Hopefully prices, technology and availability will improve over the next year, and the right combination of cost, utility, and risk will come to me.

In the mean time my brother has a 99 Kawasaki KLR250 and a hitch mounted carrier he uses on a truck and I'm making plans to visit and try that out with my rig to see how it handles. the bike weighs around 300lbs which is in the neighborhood of bikes I'd want to carry, hard to find many much lighter. Might help with my decision, either be able to rule out a motorcycle or say that would work.
 
In the mean time my brother has a 99 Kawasaki KLR250 and a hitch mounted carrier he uses on a truck and I'm making plans to visit and try that out with my rig to see how it handles. the bike weighs around 300lbs...
Which version of the Transit do you have?
 
Mototote makes some really nice hitch carriers. I’m looking for a dual sport as well and I want the least amount of issues while riding at a range of elevations. The Crf300l looks like a nice 300ish pound bike for the task.
 
Mototote makes some really nice hitch carriers. I’m looking for a dual sport as well and I want the least amount of issues while riding at a range of elevations. The Crf300l looks like a nice 300ish pound bike for the task.
I like that one too, although everyone reports the suspension is weak. They are hard to find and the ones I've seen selling used have been asking more than the new price, I guess trying to cover their taxes and fees as well as purchase price. I also like the Kawasaki KLX300 in the camo pattern.
 
They are hard to find and the ones I've seen selling used have been asking more than the new price,he camo pattern.
I'm finding the dealers where I live don't have bikes either. Yamaha dealer doesn't know when he'll have XT250s or WR's. Suzuki dealer has one DRZ400 but it's $7000. Way over my budget.
 
I own, and ride a really nice 2003 Kawasaki KLR 250 that seems to have all the power/speed anyone would need for a trail bike, or on a county road. I like it because it is about 100# lighter, and 6" shorter than the KLR 650, and is easier to keep upright in rough conditions.
 
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