Loud Music at the RTR - split from Summer RTR 2017

[Milk Hauler]

I hope RTR doesn't become the next Burning Man. Too many pricks and drug dealers ruined BM, thus they have there own police force, private camps for the wealthy/famous.

RTR is on my bucket list. How do you possibly impose rules to the nomads? I think its a no win deal. Its in public land, so anyone can show up with thier racket. Next year it may be 1000 people so its only gonna get crazier with growth. So you need rules. Thats a turn off to most nomads.

Maybe break the camp up into smaller groups? Central gathering in the day, and everone goes to thier group. I want to attend RTR next year, but not if it resembles a daycare center.

Sent from a Galaxy far far away.

 

[LilNomad]

Yes despite being furthest out & being approached & asked if we were ok with loud music (everyone on this street said no!) the music group basically moved right in behind us and continue to ride their dirtbikes, motorcycles, atv's through our sites as well as continue to show up uninvited! Several have also walked directly through our sites late at night with flashlights talking loudly & shining lights in windows etc as you can see by the time of this post! Several of us are looking to relocate! This is my first and probably last RTR. Ive never seen such a lack of COMMON COURTESY AMONG CAMPERS/RV'ERS!

 

[TMG51]

I can't believe this has been so blown out of proportion. We're not talking about people blasting music and yelling. It was a complaint over an acoustic guitar at a fire. I have not witnessed anyone being disrespectful to anyone.

The result of this is to tell people no fun allowed?

The loudest noises here are the interstate and generators.

I look around at 8 o'clock and by and large I see RVs closed up for the night. There are some social campfire groups at night but not as many as last year.

Some of the people who do want music were courteous enough to move OUT OF CAMP to stay up at night without lending to complaints. If someone has a camp site in the path of travel to get there, perhaps you were there first and it seems unfair but any passers by are being respectful enough to go to the designated music area.

This is a free event on free land. Why anyone would complain about anything, I cannot conceive. It's still a big desert. If you don't like your neighbors it's easy to move to new ones.

The RTR has been a great way to meet people, but not if it becomes a place of nagging. Let's all be adults and talk to our neighbors rather than make complaints.

 

[Gypsysoul]

I am at the RTR, but I arrived late.(on Friday) I am not sure what happened, but all is well now. I am a couple washes over from the main fire pit. Everyone is this area is quiet and respectful.

Caryn

 

[jimindenver]

This is a huge place and it is pretty easy to be as close and involved or away and isolated as you wish to be. I personally am a distance away in the back of a wash so deep I have had a bit of trouble finding it a few times especially last night in the dark. So quiet I rarely hear anything aside from the jerks running the trailer on their ATV's the first night. They were not part of the RTR, ticked off more than a few people and haven't been back since.

So it's like a supermarket with many choices. You can't be in a huge group of people and expect perfect silence. You can't be out where I am and expect constant social contact either.

 

[ArtW]

Careful, Jim, the little i know about deserts says this washes can flood with little or no notice

 

[Every Road Leads Home]

I just assume if you're going to a large gathering you may or may not be inconvenienced in some manner. It neither excuses someone for being an asshole nor does it excuse someone expecting everyone caters to their particular lifestyle. One's definition of loud and obnoxious is another's definition of low key and casual. I like to think there is no situation I can't handle for a few days if it means being somewhere I want to be, doing something I want to do and being with people I want to be with.

However, after Bob's initial video, it seems all was worked out peacefully, exactly what i'd expect from a group of like minded people.

 

[LoupGarou]

Is there not two Clans now, one being Cheap RV Living and the other being Enigmatic Normadics?

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[cyndi]

I don't see any division there. I've been friends with both for many years.

I'm not at the RTR. But I am communicating with a number of close friends that are and if you want to create that divide they can be found in either camp at any given time.

 

[Zizzer_Zazzer_Zuz]

I'm not at the RTR. I have been to dozens, maybe even scores, of events, conventions, and gatherings.

I have a friend that runs and promotes a weekend long Sci-Fi convention (hundreds of people, seminars and presenters, registration and etc, etc) and she is not only an introvert but agoraphobic and can hardly stand to attend her own event. Go figure!

I've watched this unfold from afar with as much detached interest as I can manage and I am kind of disappointed in the fear mongers and gossips.

Bob had a moment. He's human. He was overwhelmed and in some ways discouraged. He excused himself, gathered his composure, and got HIS shit together. In a brave move he broadcast his moment and rather than supporting Bob and thanking him for sharing a powerful emotion with "Us" so many simply turned to their brothers and sisters and attacked.

The RTR is no longer just a gathering of the tribe it has become a gathering of The Tribes. There's a skoolie camp that I would likely be camping with if I were there. There's #vanlife tribe there.

In al honesty, I would EXPECT drums and guitars and dancing late in to the night around the central communal fire pit. I think that biologically we are driven to it even. The sort of ecstatic release experienced with shared experience, music, and dance is part of us as a species. For some, after weeks or months of relative solitude a few nights of noise and frivolity are exactly what the Dr ordered and EXACTLY what gatherings of this sort have represented for AEONS.

In the Rainbow and Festival circuit there are defined camp areas. At Rainbow Gatherings for instance drugs and alcohol are "officially" banned however there is a space set aside that is referred to as "A" Camp where drugs and alcohol are more accepted. At music festivals there are quiet and family areas set up where loud music and mayhem are unacceptable late in to the night. At hotel conventions there are usually "Con Suites" and invariably there is a quiet room and sometimes even entire floors of the hotel where noise is kept to a minimum.

My point is, I suppose, that not everyone wants the same things. Hell, one night I may want to go sit around the fire and pound on a drum and another I would rather curl up in my bed and go to sleep at 9 PM. A little bit of planning and a little bit of communication can go a LONG LONG way.

Peace out!

 

[rvwandering]

Zizzer Zazzer Zuz - you have summed this up very well for someone who isn't even here. The gathering is huge but very peaceful and friendly during the day, and very quiet at night. Everyone is enjoying themselves and getting along. Bob is fine now that he's realized it's better for him if he gets some quiet time away from the main camp every night.

With all of the people it's only natural that groups have formed but they are not exclusive groups. Everyone is welcome in the different camps. We've visited the schoolies several times and have been invited to tour the buses which have been built into beautiful homes.

We kind of have a mission to talk to everyone but we're not going to able to complete that mission! :-D

 

[jimindenver]

So it went from a meeting of the vans to a meeting of the clans?

 

[DuneElliot]

What happened to my other post?

 

[GotSmart]

I think the Mods are trying to keep hard feelings from overflowing.

 

[DannyB1954]

Is there not two Clans now, one being Cheap RV Living and the other being Enigmatic Normadics?

No I don't believe so. It is more like one likes music, the other doesn't. 

I was at Jamie's build out this last fall. He was parked at the fire ring and during the evenings would play music over the outside speakers of his rig. People would dance and hula hoop to the music. All had a grand time. I am a quiet person and went to bed early. I did not mind at all as I was camped at the other end. People did walk past my rig to get to the gathering, but what were they supposed to do fly? 

If you don't like noise, don't park your butt where you know people will gather at night.   Not rocket science ya know.

 

[GotSmart]

Is there not two Clans now, one being Cheap RV Living and the other being Enigmatic Normadics?

No. There are the old farts (Of which I am one) that need to relax and recover during the dark hours, then there are the youngsters that can stay up half the night 

The youngsters are nice enough to set up a short distance away, so they do not keep the neighbors awake.  :idea:

In my day we would Rock and Roll all night, and party every day.  Now it is a choice of one or the other.   Two hours of sleep a night is no longer an option.  :s We would go out in the country, and play our music and howl at the moon without the parents being a buzzkill. Roll in at 4 AM, and be at work at 6 AM. 

That is something every generation does.

Everyone can still learn from each other, and get along much better without causing problems with each other.  This is America, where people are allowed to be different. You are allowed to have a bad day without alienating everyone. Tribe allows for the human factor.

 

[jonsun]

I've not been to an RTR and was hoping for next winter.  But I'm like Bob:  I'm an introvert and I get easily overwhelmed with a lot of people.  I generally like people but I can only take so much.  The seminars would interest me and having some quiet talks with like-minded people.  But it sounds to me that it has become a gathering of folks looking to party.  Even though there have been protestations that it wasn't a drunken brawl, it still sounds like more craziness than I would want.

Glad I'm not the only one. For me that looks like about the last place I want be.

 

[user 13531]

I rolled in to RTR last thursday. Spoke to a nice lady who told me I had arrived to what was being called "The City". She mentioned there were a couple of adjacent areas separated by small washes that were more "Urban". I spoke to a couple folks and decided to head over to the "Boomers Club" camp site, seemed more my speed. Stayed there one night and then moved to the Escapee's RV Club. Spent a couple days over there and back to california...

I joined the Escapees RV Club over the weekend. Planning on attending their Tuscon, Arizona event in March...

Check it out...

https://www.escapees.com/

 

[jimindenver]

I moved into camp tonight. I had to open the valve on the second bottle of propane at 10 PM and I have to say it is very dark and very quiet even from the other side of the wash. I was worried because no one likes to be isolated more than I do but there seems to be nothing to worry about.

 

[blars]

The "music" group moved in somewhat near me without asking. The only time it was irritating was Sunday Afternoon when someone played the same riff over and over on an electric guitar with occasional announcements over a badly distorted PA. (As far as I could tell, he was talking to himself.) The "music" sign was down today.