License Plate Surveilance

[Ballenxj]

Works in any state, never have to worry about if you have cash or not. 

So one pass works across the whole U.S.?

 

[LeeRevell]

"They" can track me and listen to me all they want, but I do keep the laptop camera covered, JIC. I surf the net in my skivvies......

 

[John61CT]

The basic tech is ho hum old hat

The ability to combine info from ALL the databases makes it scary.

Now add the fact that public and private realtime systems tracking where you are are combined.

Sure we're "safer" from the pedo narco terrorists (really?)

But what if the citizenry need to organize against a (your keyword here) takeover of our democracy and now bigBro knows everything, cracking down on the resistance is a walk in the park.

The fundamental check&balance is US, and we're giving our - and our children's - ability to define US away through sheer ignorance, laziness and apathy.

My record is clean, PISH!

Unless you believe "the people who win our elections, and all employees of the law enforcement SURVEILLANCE APPARAT are and always will be kind, tolerant and wise public servants"

And I doubt too many on any "side" believe that any more.

 

[GotSmart]

Now I am going to stir the pot.  "THEY" have the ability to just kill your vehicle with something similar to a radar gun.  

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](Phys.org) —A UK company's prototype has shown how cars can be immobilized by blasting electromagnetic waves. RF Safe-Stop is a system that stops engines. Its ability to send electronic pulses out towards targeted vehicles forces those vehicles' engines to cut out. As a non-lethal weapon, the unit can disable the engines of not only cars but also small boats, doing the job, in just seconds, at a distance up to 50m. One suggested defense use, in temporarily disabling a vehicle's electronic systems, would be to thwart drivers using their vehicles as car bombs as well as to defend sensitive locations from cars that refuse to stop.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Read more at: [/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]https://phys.org/news/2013-12-pulses-immobilize-cars-rf-safe-stop.html#jCp[/font]

The best part about humans, is of one person developes a better rat trap, another 3 will develop smarter rats. 

So now you have to develop Faraday cage for your vehicle electronic controles.    While you are at it, one for your head.  

http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/build-your-own-faraday-cage-heres-how/

 

[ccbreder]

What? You don't shield your head? Oh, that's bad.

 

[LeeRevell]

No problem. The next generation of OBD will include automatic GPS and remote engine stop for Feds and LEO to use, as well as microphones and video cameras to surveil the occupants. Hello, 1984. Orwell was just off a few decades.

 

[Every Road Leads Home]

So one pass works across the whole U.S.?

Just researched it and looks like ez pass is used in 16 states and accepted at 25.  There are 24 states that don't have tolls.  So that gets you covered for 49 states.  Not sure which one is missing as this covers Alaska and Hawaii.  According to 2014 info on Wikipedia.

 

[Ballenxj]

No problem.  The next generation of OBD will include automatic GPS and remote engine stop for Feds and LEO to use, as well as microphones and video cameras to surveil the occupants.   Hello, 1984.  Orwell was just off a few decades.

This speaks volumes for older vehicles that use non computerized points, condenser, and carburetor run engines. My understanding is that they are not subject to all this nonsense?

 

[LeeRevell]

I try to avoid certain "high technologies". My old "seadaddy", Seniorchief Normandin, told me, "All electronics will fail eventually, usually at the worst posible time!"
Add in abuse by certain agencies, and it is just not a good idea. Despite having spent my life working in the electronic and computer fields (or because of it!), I have become something of a neoluddite.
Also, mechanical systems are generally easier and cheaper to repair.

 

[Optimistic Paranoid]

For even more paranoia (Hint:  They really ARE out to get you):  OnStar and Sirius XM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasb...sxm-gm-chevrolet-toyota-privacy/#4ab47744649b

 

[Optimistic Paranoid]

So one pass works across the whole U.S.?

Alas, no.  From the Wikipedia article on E-Z Pass:

"E‑ZPass ETC transponders do not work on all toll roads in the United States. Currently, the E-ZPass electronic toll-collection system (as well as the other ETC systems that are part of the E‑ZPass network) are not compatible with Florida systems including SunPass, California'sFasTrak, Kansas's K‑Tag, Oklahoma's Pikepass, Texas's TxTag, Utah's Express Pass, Puerto
Rico's AutoExpreso, Georgia's Peach Pass and Cruise Card, or other ETC systems outside of E‑ZPass operating regions."

 

[Ballenxj]

For even more paranoia (Hint:  They really ARE out to get you):  OnStar and Sirius XM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasb...sxm-gm-chevrolet-toyota-privacy/#4ab47744649b

Thanks for the link.
My Dad was an electronics engineer trained by the navy in the forties. He told me long ago that every electronic device with a speaker, especially a telephone, could also be used as a listening device at the flip of a switch. The phone didn't even have to be off the hook.
I wish I knew more about what he knew back then. I can only imagine what technology is out there now. :dodgy:

 

[John61CT]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wi...-full-takeover-hack-millions-onstar-cars/amp/

Quite possibly Princess Di was killed by something similar. '"They" are rarely behind the curve on such exploits.

Isn't this whole "all our gadgets connected to the Internet of Things" future looking rosy?

And so many "whacko X-files" conspiracy theories turning into "ho-hum that's just the way the world IS now, whatchagonnado? "

I think I liked it better before I understood Multiverse reality, this timeline's headlong acceleration into dystopia's really got me rattled. . .

 

[LeeRevell]

For even more paranoia (Hint:  They really ARE out to get you):  OnStar and Sirius XM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasb...sxm-gm-chevrolet-toyota-privacy/#4ab47744649b

Don't forget Progressive's little Tattletale.

 

[Richard]

A few more tidbits for those who may be interested:


Debunking the 'nothing to hide, nothing to fear' fallacy
https://www.wired.com/2013/06/why-i...is-the-wrong-way-to-think-about-surveillance/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument


No 4th Amendment protection within 100-miles of U.S border
https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone


That last link is relevant to many of us who may boondock within 100-miles of a border, be it mexico, canada, or water. The Border Patrol has extra-Constitutional authority to search and seize any damn thing they please--no probable cause necessary. And if one may be tempted to reply to that with "So what? I've got nothing to hide" then I'll invite them to read the first two links in my reply

 

[GotSmart]

I have some large rolls of tinfoil to sell.  Any buyers? 

 

[John61CT]

The tinfoil dismissal's wearing pretty thin last few years, stuff accepted as fact with a shrug now would've got you hooted down not long ago.

Google Stingray use by local police forces, fact that buyer contract forbids LE and prosecutors from disclosing information about StingRay capability or use ** to judges and defense attorneys **, leaving the typical checks on police misconduct in the dark.

The agreement even allows the FBI to force state prosecutors to drop evidence or entire cases rather than reveal the use of StingRay surveillance. And that condition isn’t hypothetical; it has actually happened around the country, resulting in dangerous criminals being let go or given sweetheart plea deals in order to maintain secrecy.

Or LE is coached to construct an entirely independent investigation around the “lead” created by the StingRay to obfuscate the source of the evidence.

In legal circles, this practice is known as “parallel construction,” and it is particularly effective at concealing government investigative methods as well as government misconduct. 

Please donate your tinfoil money to EFF and ACLU

PS Our "national security" agencies did LSD and other mind-control experiments for decades on unwitting civilians off city streets.

Smuggled "illegal" drugs into the slums to finance much more illegal black ops Vietnam era, Contras, SOP fundraising.

Fact those drugs were criminalized in the first place was for racist social control from the beginning.

The escalation "war on drugs" was created by Nixon as a political tool to fight the radical blacks and hippies.

All of this is well-documented plain fact, just a little uncomfortable to stay in the public consciousness, but sure doesn't take much research to find authoritative sources.

I'm really very surprised to find unquestioning faith in the goodness of government employees on either side of any political fence these days.

 

[John61CT]

I understand this stuff is uncomfortable for some people to work within their normal view of the world. Feel free to keep whistling in the dark, I think it's only going to be getting darker

 

[John61CT]

One more: https://theintercept.com/2017/02/04...ves-companies-real-time-updates-on-employees/

Your employer can subscribe to all your LE encounters for a low low $13 for the rest of your life.

No potentials for abuse there, no way.

 

[Queen]

I understand this stuff is uncomfortable for some people to work within their normal view of the world. Feel free to keep whistling in the dark, I think it's only going to be getting darker

Try to understand that your focus and your fears are not universal.  It's great that you're interested in this and passionate about it, but also respect that my view is different.  I simply do not care about any of this, if you need to name that based on your experience, that is your thing, not mine.

I spend my time seeking joy, trying to share time and space with other loving people.

Wishing you peace.  :heart: