Drones will darken the skies of federal lands.

[AreWeLostYet]

In an article at The Spokesman-Review:
"Drones patrolling Washington state border"

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2012/apr/30/drones-patrolling-washington-border/

In another article at CATO Institute web site:
"Border Patrol Seeking Facial Recognition Drones"

https://www.cato.org/blog/border-patrol-seeking-facial-recognition-drones

 

[AMGS3]

How is this post not on the "darkening the skies" drone thread? (Though it's all gotten a bit sensationalized.)

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[John61CT]

Apparently the newsroom shooter was identified by FR software before the cops went in.

 

[tx2sturgis]

Several of this OP's recent threads seem to have a 'sky is falling' theme.

Meh.

:dodgy:

 

[AreWeLostYet]

How is this post not on the "darkening the skies" drone thread? (Though it's all gotten a bit sensationalized.)

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Well for one thing, from where I sit it appears that thread has been taken down.

But on the other hand, this story shows that drones are creeping into out lives. First Iraq/Afghanistan. Then North Africa. Then the US border. Then Washington State airspace. All we need is boondockers to start getting blamed for starting wildfires and being charged with being fugitives from justice and public opinion will allow further encroachment.

 

[A Savage Adventure]

The typical drone can fly for about 5-minutes before the battery goes dead. Hardly 365/24/7.

My Drone (DJI Mavic Pro Platinum) can stay in the air for 15-20 minutes depending on how windy it is and how much I am doing with it. On a calm day I can let it hover in a circle for about 20 minutes, at which point it will auto-return at critical battery level. This is just a matter of point, not really related to the overall theme of the thread.

 

[AMGS3]

As of 10 min ago it still seems to be there.

Also, wouldn't the drones show that nomads WEREN'T the cause of wildfires?

And satellites can already see us really well... from their orbit around the earth.

We can either be paranoid about it, or we can be thoughtful about our own truth and what we are contributing to the common good.

We can also be careful about not doing things that are likely to be mistaken as felonies (for instance, being involved with a paintball league that holds tournaments on NF land (problematic from a pack in/pack out standpoint) so it looks two gangs of people are having a shootout) from a bird's eye view.

Or is the concern more one of "us" being caught doing things which "we" don't necessarily think are wrong, but are against the law? Things like dumping your greywater tank wherever you choose, etc.

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[AreWeLostYet]

My Drone (DJI Mavic Pro Platinum) can stay in the air for 15-20 minutes depending on how windy it is and how much I am doing with it. On a calm day I can let it hover in a circle for about 20 minutes, at which point it will auto-return at critical battery level. This is just a matter of point, not really related to the overall theme of the thread.

The field of drones is exploding. Everyone in tech knows there's a huge future in them. Yours is a copter. For large areas, fixed wing drones will be the item. There are drones being deployed by just about every country. Even a Panamanian indian tribe uses them. Drone usage is bring increased in the name of law enforcement, a natural next step. The drone builders' sales reps are now treading the corporate hallways extolling the services and jobs that can be eliminated by deploying drones.

 

[lenny flank]

Seriously, you guys are getting a little too carried away. 

Yep, the tinfoil is getting pretty thick here.

 

[rm.w/aview]

With all those hovering drones it'll sure be easier to find the nude camp.
(The Hovering Drones... sounds like a band)

 

[Weight]

Many Japanese wear face masks for health reasons. Maybe we should all start that here in Usa.

 

[tx2sturgis]

We are the Borg.

Resistance is FUTILE.

 

[tx2sturgis]

Nah, computers will do the flying and analysis. First human intervention will be when the computer asks if further action is needed on a perceived anomaly.

Well actually the first human intervention will be un-boxing the new drones out of the Amazon shipping carton.

I have a box-cutter and not afraid to use it!

 

[AreWeLostYet]

As of 10 min ago it still seems to be there.

Also, wouldn't the drones show that nomads WEREN'T the cause of wildfires?

And satellites can already see us really well... from their orbit around the earth.

We can either be paranoid about it, or we can be thoughtful about our own truth and what we are contributing to the common good.

We can also be careful about not doing things that are likely to be mistaken as felonies (for instance, being involved with a paintball league that holds tournaments on NF land (problematic from a pack in/pack out standpoint) so it looks two gangs of people are having a shootout) from a bird's eye view.

Or is the concern more one of "us" being caught doing things which "we" don't necessarily think are wrong, but are against the law? Things like dumping your greywater tank wherever you choose, etc.

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I'd forgotten I posted the drone post in another group. Surprised you responded in this group.

Drone footage could be used to prove boondockers caused or didn't cause. Or, like police sometimes report "equipment failure" when their bodycams mysteriously stop working just before they are charged with violating their rules, drone evidence could be withheld, doctored or of an actor in their service. Doesn't matter if the Reichstag fire was started by a demented Dutch Communist or not. It's the reaction that counts most. And the possibility he might have been a programmed patsy doesn't seem to have been investigated.

Sattelites are extremely expensive to operate. There are few of them. It takes time to orient their cameras to a specific point. And their resolution doesn't come close to approaching that of a drone - and it never will.

I applaud your support for 'the common good'. But wishing and hoping and encouraging absent knowledge seeking and action has gotten us in the mess we're in.

I'd think it would be pretty easy to distinguish between a firefight and paintball shootout. You're right though. Those damned plastic balls leave a mess.

The concern is America turning into a kleptocratic police state.

 

[AreWeLostYet]

Many Japanese wear face masks for health reasons. Maybe we should all start that here in Usa.

What, to avoid facial recognition? Wearing a face mask will, in itself, cause suspicion among authorities. And there are laws in most US states against wearing anything over your face that conceals your identify, especially while operating a vehicle. Probably to prevent criminals from things like running from a bank they just robbed or doing a drive-by shooting and police not being able to identify them.

I guess you could wear a surgeon's mask that just covers from the mouth-down. But FR can probably recognize you from the nose-up.

 

[QinReno]

Yep, the tinfoil is getting pretty thick here.

I had forgotten about that. Note to self: buy tin foil for the next trip.

Also, if your dentist says they need to replace a filling in one of your molars, it's code for: the battery has rundown in the chip they implanted last time.

 

[DesertRose]

Many Japanese wear face masks for health reasons. Maybe we should all start that here in Usa.

OffTopic:
I think it's an excellent idea. The 2nd to last time I flew (from PHX to Raleigh NC) there was a very weird foreign guy who kept trolling up and down the aisle for hours, wearing a face mask. He was the only one on the plane wearing a mask. Three days later I got a very nasty cold, and had to drive back to the West Coast with a family member while sick (they were moving back). Really wished I had been willing to be seen as "weird" and worn a mask on that flight, which was full. Although, I don't think it's seen as weird these days as it was back then (6 years ago).

As for wearing a mask to avoid identification.... nah. Those high-res satellite images (and even the photo cameras in Paradise Valley, Arizona) are very effective.

 

[John61CT]

I'd forgotten I posted the drone post in another group. Surprised you responded in this group.

What makes you think it was a different group?

Same forum, same people.

 

[AreWeLostYet]

What makes you think it was a different group?

Same forum, same people.

I suppose if I had moderator access to forums I'd have a clue.

 

[AMGS3]

Arewelostyet

All of the threads you've posted in the board titled "Vandwelling topics that don't fit in other areas" are read by all of the same people. Weather they are about drones, or govt surveillance of national Forest land, or more drones. That is all I was saying. It's ok to continue posting on a thread that is still about the same main topic. Easier than starting a new thread for what is the same topic. Cuz we're all reading the threads. Not necessary to start a new one. Same forum, same readers.

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