Drones will darken the skies of federal lands.

[I Like Turtles]

Yes of course, only a matter of time.

And if they did not do this they would need to shut down public access.

I like turtles

 

[A Savage Adventure]

The field of drones is exploding. Everyone in tech knows there's a huge future in them. Yours is a copter. 

You make a good point. I never really used to call quadcopters "drones" but the entire world seems to have adopted it, so I can't help myself sometimes. I worked for a company that designed and manufactured quadcopters. Not nearly as advanced as the DJI stuff, but easy for a hobbyist to build and rebuild rather than a closed, black-box system. You could even modify the firmware and such. But yeah, we called the 4, 6 and 8 propeller models, "quadcopters".

When I think of a "drone", I think of a military drone, such as a Predator.

 

[John61CT]

My young son loves silly memes too.

 

[QinReno]

John, if you ever see a Predator hovering overhead, immediately put on your tin foil hat, or else quickly dig the chip out of your groin that the govt implanted in there. Some boys really got the good toys.

 

[RVTravel]

There will be waling and gnashing of teeth.

 

[AreWeLostYet]

You make a good point. I never really used to call quadcopters "drones" but the entire world seems to have adopted it, so I can't help myself sometimes. I worked for a company that designed and manufactured quadcopters. Not nearly as advanced as the DJI stuff, but easy for a hobbyist to build and rebuild rather than a closed, black-box system. You could even modify the firmware and such. But yeah, we called the 4, 6 and 8 propeller models, "quadcopters".

When I think of a "drone", I think of a military drone, such as a Predator.

There's a whole new generation of drones coming off the drawing boards. Many are fixed-wing because they are faster, quieter and more fuel efficient. They're much smaller than a Predator and most are electric powered. They can be programmed to criss cross a precise area collecting data which can be uploaded to a satellite then beamed back down to a collection point. It's being done now in many scenarios for many businesses and government agencies. If you think this is science fiction, you're age (or your ignorance - or both) is showing.

 

[AreWeLostYet]

John, if you ever see a Predator hovering overhead, immediately put on your tin foil hat, or else quickly dig the chip out of your groin that the govt implanted in there. Some boys really got the good toys.

The Predator drone is fixed-wing. They don't "hover" like the copters you see in Walmart. Fixed-wing drones "loiter" over an area by circling it while their camera rotates in a turret to keep the subject in view.

 

[AMGS3]

If you think this is science fiction, you're age (or your ignorance - or both) is showing.

So what precicely is our reaction supposed to be? My personal reaction to this entire subject matter is much less like chicken little and more on the "so what?" end of the reaction spectrum with a dash of understanding for those people posting about it being time for making tinfoil hats.

If we are getting to the point of being under surveillance even on a daily basis, what can we do about it? It seems pointless to run around saying the sky is falling. Really the only thing we have control of in our lives is our own actions and reactions. So what to do?

PS- (please understand that I'm not saying the following as a catty response because you and I may disagree, I'm really not into the stupid negative communication styles we see so often on social media. please trim your quotes when you quote somebody. I am (and many others are) viewing this forum on a phone and often it is problematic because if quotes contain the fully quoted text, then the new comments, you have to literally scroll through twice the text. Also, it's killer on people with limited data plans. Instead, you can delete the unneeded portions of the quoted comment and any links that may have originally been in the quoted comment. If you are responding to a post that is one of the last couple of posts on the thread you can merely indicate ^^^^^ followed by the members name, without quoting at all. I hope this helps.

~angie

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[QinReno]

Yes, hover was not the correct term. But then, I doubt they will be tracking John either, for that matter. But just in case, he should keep his tin foil hat in his backpack.

 

[QinReno]

>>>>
If you think this is science fiction, you're age (or your ignorance - or both) is showing.
>>>>

So what precicely is our reaction supposed to be? 

The problem is, this entire flame is being fanned for political purposes with many new threads started every day, all fanning the same flame. It's not about where technology is heading, it's simplistic sideways attempts at political rhetoric. And it's probably on the wrong forum. Drones will darken the skies, indeed. Some people need to go outside and smell the flowers.

 

[AMGS3]

^^^^^Qinreno
I did not say -
"If you think this is science fiction your age or your ignorance, or both, is showing"
This sentence has been misattributed. Arewelostyet said that.
I did however say -
"So what precicely is our reaction supposed to be."
Thanks

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[QinReno]

It's difficult to put a quote within a quote, but that's what I meant by the >>>>, ie quote/unquote from elsewhere. Next time I'll add the original poster.

>>>>
If you think this is science fiction, you're age (or your ignorance - or both) is showing.
>>>>

AMGS3 is certainly a saint, by any standard!

 

[AreWeLostYet]

So what precicely is our reaction supposed to be? My personal reaction to this entire subject matter is much less like chicken little and more on the "so what?" end of the reaction spectrum with a dash of understanding for those people posting about it being time for making tinfoil hats.

If we are getting to the point of being under surveillance even on a daily basis, what can we do about it? It seems pointless to run around saying the sky is falling. Really the only thing we have control of in our lives is our own actions and reactions. So what to do?

PS- (please understand that I'm not saying the following as a catty response because you and I may disagree, I'm really not into the stupid negative communication styles we see so often on social media. please trim your quotes when you quote somebody. I am (and many others are) viewing this forum on a phone and often it is problematic because if quotes contain the fully quoted text, then the new comments, you have to literally scroll through twice the text. Also, it's killer on people with limited data plans. Instead, you can delete the unneeded portions of the quoted comment and any links that may have originally been in the quoted comment. If you are responding to a post that is one of the last couple of posts on the thread you can merely indicate ^^^^^ followed by the members name, without quoting at all. I hope this helps.

~angie

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Your response, I would hope to the looming end of access to public lands, as per the purpose of this web site, be at least some interest instead of making light with "tinfoil hats" comments. I really hope to be wrong, but your next parking spot may be a $40/night RV park - what I recently heard Carolyn refer to as "Hell" as she had to stay in one to become a Nevada resident. 

As for cell phone data being hogged by long posts. That's not the way it works. Text - even huge amounts of text take very little bandwidty. It's just ASCII characters digitized - nothing more thrifty of bandwidth. It's the streaming, and downloading of multimedia and graphics rich web sites that hog your data, especially those damned web sites with video that auto-plays.

Myself. I usually use a laptop using my cell phone as a hotspot. My Verizon prepaid give me about 12 gigs/month for $50 with carryover of unused date. I had T-Mobile. But it simply did not work in too many places outside of town. $50/month has been a worthwhile investment. And I retained the T-mobile phone operating under Ting for about $12/month just to have a backup phone.

 

[AMGS3]

^^^^^^QinReno
I'd disagree with the saint thing, but appreciate the sentiment.
I think too often that people are unwilling to show the same courtesy in all of their communications, not just in person. We type things to others that we would never say to someone else's face. Our humanity is suffering because of it.
Not everyone who disagrees with me is my enemy. Not everyone who disagrees with me is a insufferable moron. Sometimes in printed communications the nuance that is added to a conversation by body language and facial expression is lost completely. Sarcasm is hard to detect. And even if someone totally disagrees with you doesn't mean we should be hating one another. After all, we have more in common that we have as dissimilarities.
I agree that some people need to go outside and smell the flowers.

~angie

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[AMGS3]

Your response, I would hope to the looming end of access to public lands, as per the purpose of this web site, be at least some interest instead of making light with "tinfoil hats" comments.
...
As for cell phone data being hogged by long posts. That's not the way it works.
...
Myself. I usually use a laptop using my cell phone as a hotspot. My Verizon prepaid give me about 12 gigs/month for $50 with carryover of unused date... $50/month has been a worthwhile investment.

So first, I apologize if it came off like I was making fun of you when I said I agreed with the "tinfoil hat" comments. It was not my intent to make fun of you. The intent was to convey that I, too, feel as if the concern, and with it the general vibe of the sum of all of the comments on the drones threads is a smidge bordering on paranoia. For me the difference between concern and paranoia is what we can do about it. Are there things we can do to avoid the problems looming on the horizon? Well then, instead of going overboard trying to convince people that this is the end of life as we know it, maybe we should be spreading the word about what we can do to remedy the situation. By that I mean the public lands access, not the drones, since that technology seems as prevalent as tablets and talking home speakers these days.

In the "tips & tricks" post that the moderators post in the Newcomers Corner one of the guidelines is to trim your quotes. https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?ur...&share_tid=10289&share_fid=70271&share_type=t

Tips and Tricks
This is not my guideline. In fact, Bob wrote an entire post about it. I can't seem to find it now, but I did find this thread that is a conversation with a lot of mods talking about the subject of trimming quotes. You can check that out here-
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?ur...&share_tid=29922&share_fid=70271&share_type=t

Trim quotes reminder

Also, a lot of people have limited data plans, and I know from experience that on a limited data plan, on a "not so" smart phone (like my old flip phone) scrolling through pages and pages of quoted and re-quoted text to get to a response that may be only a few lines long is aggravating. And if your time online is precious, you don't want to be wasting it doing that.

As for the idea that text doesn't eat up data plans, I am respectfully sceptical of your summerization. One month, two weeks before my billing date, I accidently didn't log out of my email on my flip phone and just left it on for probably 2days. (I didn't check it often back then) There went my data for the rest of that month. I was on prepaid, so I could have paid for another block of data, but I didn't have the cash to spend on it. Not everyone can afford a laptop, hotspot, expensive prepaid cell plan, or even a smartphone. I have one now, but am continually grateful for my circumstances that allow for such a luxury. What a privilege it is to be able to check my email, look up recipes or even check for incoming severe weather whenever I want. Not having to make a trip to the library to touch base with family members. Not everyone has the same access to technology. As is, I don't own a laptop, desktop, or a TV. Or really any other electronics. Maybe in the future I will, I'm not anti-technology, just low income. lol

~angie

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[QinReno]

Not everyone who disagrees with me is a insufferable moron. 

Sounds pretty saintly to me. Just saying.

On another note: I'm heading off for a month long trip to smell the flowers in the Sierra, but just to be careful, I'm taking my motorcycle helmet in case things do fall out of the sky. It's not easy, but some of us do learn after a fashion ... always have a backup plan ... wear your helmut.

 

[AMGS3]

Sounds like a solid plan Q. Good luck and safe travels!

~angie

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[AreWeLostYet]

So first, I apologize if it came off like I was making fun of you when I said I agreed with the "tinfoil hat" comments. It was not my intent to make fun of you. The intent was to convey that I, too, feel as if the concern, and with it the general vibe of the sum of all of the comments on the drones threads is a smidge bordering on paranoia. For me the difference between concern and paranoia is what we can do about it. Are there things we can do to avoid the problems looming on the horizon? Well then, instead of going overboard trying to convince people that this is the end of life as we know it, maybe we should be spreading the word about what we can do to remedy the situation. By that I mean the public lands access, not the drones, since that technology seems as prevalent as tablets and talking home speakers these days.

In the "tips & tricks" post that the moderators post in the Newcomers Corner one of the guidelines is to trim your quotes. https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?ur...&share_tid=10289&share_fid=70271&share_type=t

Tips and Tricks
This is not my guideline. In fact, Bob wrote an entire post about it. I can't seem to find it now, but I did find this thread that is a conversation with a lot of mods talking about the subject of trimming quotes. You can check that out here-
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?ur...&share_tid=29922&share_fid=70271&share_type=t

Trim quotes reminder

Also, a lot of people have limited data plans, and I know from experience that on a limited data plan, on a "not so" smart phone (like my old flip phone) scrolling through pages and pages of quoted and re-quoted text to get to a response that may be only a few lines long is aggravating. And if your time online is precious, you don't want to be wasting it doing that.

As for the idea that text doesn't eat up data plans, I am respectfully sceptical of your summerization. One month, two weeks before my billing date, I accidently didn't log out of my email on my flip phone and just left it on for probably 2days. (I didn't check it often back then) There went my data for the rest of that month. I was on prepaid, so I could have paid for another block of data, but I didn't have the cash to spend on it. Not everyone can afford a laptop, hotspot, expensive prepaid cell plan, or even a smartphone. I have one now, but am continually grateful for my circumstances that allow for such a luxury. What a privilege it is to be able to check my email, look up recipes or even check for incoming severe weather whenever I want. Not having to make a trip to the library to touch base with family members. Not everyone has the same access to technology. As is, I don't own a laptop, desktop, or a TV. Or really any other electronics. Maybe in the future I will, I'm not anti-technology, just low income. lol

~angie

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>difference between concern and paranoia is what we can do about it.<
So if you have decided nothing really matters, just sit there await thine doom.

>maybe we should be spreading the word about what we can do to remedy the situation
What, and get p0litical?

>public lands access, not the drones<
Drones are just one element of the coming wave of tighter regulation of public lands in the face of personnel cutbacks.

>a lot of people have limited data plans<
Anyone who believes pure text eats up data is mistaken. I've said: streaming media, download media, rich web pages with scads of photos and auto-playing videos eat up more data than if you download the entire national archives of text.

> I accidently didn't log out of my email on my flip phone<
If you're not there to access emails or access web page, sounds like you might have a security problem on your phone. Phones don't usually eat date when the owner isn't there to operate them, unless you have some kind of auto-download thing going on. Or maybe you're being sent messages, tweets etc with photo of video attachments. You might consider a Chromebox or tablet with detachable keyboard. Ebay has tons of them used. Just buy from a seller with good feedback and a moneyback guarantee.

 

[John61CT]

Trimming quotes is part of the culture here, just do it, not argue about it.

And yes the changes you speak of are trending.

Along with other changes much more dire.

Maybe your point has simply been to raise awareness?

If there's more to it, let us know.

 

[AMGS3]

^^^^^Arewelostyet

Again, it is unnecessary to fully quote ( without trimming) all quotes.

I think there are ways of saying in a very generic way (not political) that contacting ones congresspeople and expressing concern for barriers to public access of public lands would help those representing us in govt know what we, the people, are expecting. Also contacting the National Forest service, state DNR or BLM, and state parks (or other state and federal agencies) during their respective public comment periods about proposed rules changes would show what public interest is in said rules changes. Maybe you will think I'm naive for saying so, but the state I live in has comment periods for almost all State run agencies. And sometimes a wave of public concern on an issue changes policy.

~angie

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