How soon will electric or hybrid vans/RVs be common?

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if you were to ask me(which no one has), someone needs to come out with a quick change battery like power tools. then you could just pull into a station and swap batteries. no need to sit for hours recharging. highdesertranger
 
tx2sturgis said:
If you run the numbers and do basic research, you will find that this is not the case for electric vehicles used in general and heavy transportation...and will not likely be 'the way to go' during our lifetime.
If the goal is eliminating fossil fuels as quickly as possible to try to slow down climate change

big **if** , I realize

it certainly is the current path forward.

Certain transport sectors may take longer, but vans are candidates now.

The key to tackling climate change: electrify everything
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2016/9/19/12938086/electrify-everything

Electric cars emit 50% less greenhouse gas than diesel, study finds
https://amp.theguardian.com/environ...0-less-greenhouse-gas-than-diesel-study-finds

EVEN MORE EVIDENCE THAT ELECTRIC CARS COULD SAVE THE PLANET
https://www.wired.com/story/even-more-evidence-that-electric-cars-could-save-the-planet
 
highdesertranger said:
if you were to ask me(which no one has), someone needs to come out with a quick change battery like power tools. then you could just pull into a station and swap batteries. no need to sit for hours recharging. highdesertranger
The packs are worth a lot, and a lot more in the early years compared to older ones.

So there would need to be transactions involved in swapping to compensate, and people would game the system.

Like I **only** use propane swap stations when my bottle is ready for the scrap heap.
 
I will be dead before I could afford one -- or any brand new vehicle -- so I'm not worried about when they'll be common.
 
The OP topic is 'how soon will electric or hybrid vans/RVs be common.'

My answer is, not in our lifetime, especially for all-electric RVs.

There will be a few here and there as concepts or test beds, that sort of thing.

But they will not be common, or practical, in our lifetime.

The inefficiencies of electric transportation are primarily in the production and distribution of power, the weight of the batteries, and the limits on range and places to recharge them. 

You know how it's stated (not by me) on this forum, over and over again, how in-efficient it is to try to heat with electricity?   

Same thing with roadway-based transportation. (the inefficiencies come primarily in the production and storage side, NOT the consumption side, since electric heaters are nearly 100 percent efficient and electric motors typically approach 75%-90% efficiencies)

But, producing enough electricity to power millions of vehicles of all sizes with electricity will choke our air, our grid system, and our landfills.

So those types of electric vehicles (RVs) with a coast-to-coast, border-to-border infrastructure to make them practical and common, will not happen in our lifetime. 

Local electric powered delivery and smaller private electric vehicles that return to a central re-charging point each evening are practical in some cases, but unlimited long-range recreational travel using electricity as the power source will not happen any time soon.

Hybrid RVs might be doable....maybe...(big maybe)...but they will be very expensive and an unknown when service is needed at any typical shop that can service today's RVs.

And they won't be 'common' for a very, very, long time.
 
In the many countries planning to ban fossil fuel powered private vehicles in the near future, they will be arriving relatively soon.
 
John61CT said:
In the many countries planning to ban fossil fuel powered private vehicles in the near future, they will be arriving relatively soon.

Glad I don't live in one of them.
 
Coast-to-coast in the USA is a bit farther than say, coast-to-coast in Scotland. I was definitely referring to the North American Market.
 
Then yes, many options overseas will not be available here if current trends continue.
 
Why not look up the electric vehicle conversion forums and ask them which vehicles and which kits are best, then try to diy it or pay someone to do it for you?
 
Bollinger Motors...made in USA.

SUV and PU models. Coming 2020?
Looks like an old Land Rover.

https://www.bollingermotors.com/
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/bollinger-b2-electric-pickup-truck/

520 HP
200 mile range
4 wheel drive
geared hubs
hydro-pneumatic suspension (modern Citroen?)

Gettin closer.

UPS testing vans from Workhorse...another made in USA vehicle.

https://workhorse.com/
This model looks worthy for dwelling....except for the 100 mile range:
N-GEN 1000

   14,500 GVWR
   Up to 6,700 lbs. payload
   1000 cubic ft. cargo space
   All wheel drive
   50 MPGe
   100 Miles all-electric range
   Level 2 (J1772) DC fast charge (CCS)

Just what I found with a little googling.....

Personally, until we get 300-500 mile electric range I can't see roamin around with electric only....
Hybrid power is what's needed, but so far the Pacifica (mentioned earlier) is the best fit.

The world runs on 'supply and demand'....if there's not enough demand, investment won't be spent for supply.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/business/technology/article38465550.html
https://www.ttnews.com/articles/electric-truck-maker-shuts-down

My 2 cents.
 
One of the basic problems now with EVs is the cost of battery replacement at the end of its useful life, say, 100,000 miles or so....that cost can easily exceed the value of the used vehicle.

So you really need to add that replacement cost to the equivalent cost-per-mile when compared to gasoline, diesel, CNG, hydrogen fuels, etc. 

I see many of these electric vehicles have published equivalent miles-per-gallon cost, using electricity, at values exceeding 100 miles per gallon. Sounds great, until you need to buy a very expensive battery in 5 or 10 years...

Or, the resale value goes to nothing, or near nothing, because the expensive battery needs to be replaced by the new owner.

Hybrids make a bit more sense to me, but they ain't cheap either, and they STILL use a battery, AND need normal maintenance that any internal combustion vehicle needs. 

Many states are grappling with the possible future loss of road fuel taxes, because EV owners aren't paying any. You can bet the states will figure out a way to make them pay their fare share.

Some states have talked about VMT...Vehicle Miles Traveled. Pay for the miles you drove.

Seems fair to me, on the surface...but governments seem to have a way of messing things up.

Meanwhile I'll keep pumping gasoline into my V8 powered pickup.

:cool:
 
My 2¢

The replacement of the internal combustion engine with electric vehicles isn't going to happen unless we find new supplies of lithium or a new battery technology.  Demand of lithium is going to exceed supply for the foreseeable future.
And bring on LOTS more electric power generating capacity.  The US power grid is at about capacity and the European grid is in even worse shape.

As to the elimination of driving/ownership of vehicles, for the US at least, the fundamental question we should be concerned with is whether free people are to be permitted to move themselves around without needing someone else to agree to the transaction and whether the government can interfere.

As to governments outlawing petroleum powered vehicles: governments make a lot of 'enlightened' laws that they either ignore or repeal when they are shown to be unworkable.
 
John61CT said:
What many here would scoff at as extreme and unlikely futurology.

The rise of electric, demise of the ICE is the least of it.

How about the complete elimination of driving?

No more ownership of personal vehicles?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-45786690


Europe is different....Most of Western Europe would fit inside the borders of Texas. 

The USA is vast, with lots of miles between major cities. 

Yes, I, for one, scoff at common, near-term conversion of the USA to a complete electrification of personal, recreational, and commercial transportation.

Remember the promises 50 yeas ago of flying cars and personal jetpacks in every garage? Didn't happen.

The guys who invented the Segway scooters predicted mass adoption of those things...putting taxis and subways out of work. Didn't happen.

Cold Fusion? Free energy for everyone? Didn't happen. 

Maybe when we are all gone, in the distant future, it MIGHT happen.

But not in our lifetime, unless someone reading this is maybe 6 years old....who knows what will happen in 50 years?
 
Many thoughtful replies. IMO, I do not see an inherent problem with an electric van or RV. Unfortunately, the technology available today requires that such a vehicle cannot perform as its internal combustion counterpart. The obvious problems include cost and range limitations along with lack in infrastructure for support (all mentioned previously). It is simply not a practical consideration any time soon. However, I have considered one configuration that might be practical for those living full time on BLM land - and this should interest a handful here. A relatively low power electric drive motor properly geared could drive a van or RV at low speeds for a few miles each day - sort of like a modern covered wagon. Indeed, a cargo trailer might be driven in this way across BLM land, and this would not be terribly difficult to configure. This is an interesting idea that seems outlandish at first glance, but may just be a practical alternative for a handful of folks. IMO, a solar array that can be accommodated on the roof of such a trailer could support such a system along with providing basic electricity for the trailer (lighting, refrigeration, electronics, etc.) and a light electric vehicle such as a bike. Again, it is unusual - but why not?
 
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