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mayble said:
If a person has no money, no experience at feeding himself, no skills, etc - how are they any better off staying in place than they are on the road?
I'm not arguing - I'm interested in your take on the unique challenges of mobile life vs stationary life.  I would think a person with no skills and no money is screwed no matter what.

Most of the people who have shown up here have some kind of support system where they are. They have family and friends, which is all that seems to have kept some of them off the streets. The family and friends may not take them back once they leave.They may have an employer who has at least tolerated them and provided a paycheck and who will be a local job reference if they are there long enough. That won't exist once they leave. For those of us with a regular income coming in, and skills to make money if we need to, that may not be a big problem. For those who haven't been able to function well in the real world who now have to feed themselves and their vehicle on the road by themselves, it will matter. They will be ruined by an unexpected problem with their health or their vehicle (and they NEVER expect or plan for these things). Even those of us who who think we are well prepared can run into speedbumps, like DH's recent multi thousand dollar dental issues.
 
GREAT THREAD ! :) 

This is why I encourage younger to middle aged people to get a serviceable first Van and begin to take some week end camping trips or go sight seeing in their Van.   It's why I put together the website in my signature line to show how to do it.   I saw it as a first step into this life.   Although I haven't lived full time out of my Van for a number of years, I've seen and learned first hand a lot of what has been said above.
 
To just buy a dirt cheap clunker and hit the road in it to live there may be a set up for disaster.  LUCK would be a key factor in that strategy and most of that would be consumed in avoiding suspicious LEO's (who may see an opportunity to blame every petty theft in town for the last few months on some kid passing through in some rolling junk pile of a Van  He may even want to impound and dismantle the Van asserting his hunch that it's been used for drug trafficking).  On my TV Local News reports these days it is amazing to me the number of older bearded Men and everyday "Gram maw" looking Women that are shown busted for transporting drugs such as Oxycodone and Heroine.  I guess so many LEO's with their clean shaven heads and militant attitudes are profiling the "Duck Dynasty Look" nowdays that grooming to look clean and appear decently dressed may be one of your best traveling asset.


As for the "skill of finding work" (rarely taught in College, Universities, and most other institutes of higher learning, to wit today's student loan diabolical")  having some real world trade skill with certification that is constantly in demand would provide a trades journeyman living for a trades journeyman who lives full time in a Van or RV.  (being in the "Art's" doesn't provide a "certification" as such, and unfortunately anyone can call themselves an "Arty person" of some kind.  A LEO may demand some evidence of your skills and will likely be as unqualified to fairly appraise them)   I once met a Guy who racked pool in a pool hall who had traveled back and forth  seeing the USA working out of a small tool box with some paints and brushes.  He worked as a sign painter.   He used to speak of taking the bicycle off the back of his Van and using an old metal lunch box with a few containers of paint and a couple of brushes he would take as he rode down country lanes offering to letter people's names on their mail boxes for $5 bucks a pop.  He painted the name in fancy script and the numbers in a block type face.   Each box took him about 15 minutes as he would draw it out for the customer in his spiral ring pocket tablet so they would know what it would look like before he started.  Said he made them pay up front.  Said he used the old thermos bottle in the lunch box for his paint thinner.  He was a character and told me that when he got in a subdivision the Women would call each other
and before long they would all want his work.   That's about the simplest trade and marketing skills combination I've ever seen employed.   Said he could make $60 bucks a day real easy back then.
He would find sign shops to work in as a "temp"/"tramp" during the bad weather months back then.
During the holiday season he would drive around the town finding Gas Stations that wanted Holiday Greetings
and pictorials painted on their windows and he would do that in the evenings when he was off work.  Said he could make $2000 during November and December with just that market.  He got his picture ideas from
simple greetings cards he would show the station owner.  Again these guys would call their affiliates and send him around their way.


A person can create a 8 1/2 x 11 typing paper advertisement for their skill and go around putting these
on the bulletin boards in the air locks of grocery stores using you cell number as contact info.  If you have a
computer and work on line there are sites like Guru com  and others like it.  If you use PayPal or other
money transfer clients you can do any number of things with the computer or produce hand crafted products and send them through the mail to your buyers.   One person I know of does "Italic hand writing"
and addresses cards for a Dentist (she met on Guru) to remind his clients they have an appointment within 2 or 3 days.  The arrangement was made at Guru and she purchases the stationary, stamps, and is emailed the files by the Dentist secretary.  She scans the cards she buys (in boxes) and sends a copy of each card for the Dentist approval.   Says he's only turned one of them down so she exchanged it the next shopping visit.  He PayPal's her the money for her expenses (she mails him the receipts) and she charges $35 an hour.  Letters received in the mail make an impression and often wind stuck to the refrigerator door with a magnet.
(people who do this are referred to as "VA's" or "Virtual Assistants" or sometimes "online assistants")
If you have a certification course in MS Office" or other program skills, I would advise to put it in a frame to
hang in your Van or RV.   Remember...........there are still a lot of people out there who can't bring themselves to believe ANYONE could possibly make a living with a computer while sitting in a Van.  I live where there are plenty of them.  


It's all about creativity and thinking.  "Think Sell" should be your credo.   Even your Van should be kept clean and sell-able should you find a deal on a better one with lower mileage and in better shape.   You never know
what can happen out on the road so being prepared to deal with it will be paramount.
 
I have not gone FT van dwelling yet but I left home at 14, and had no skills at all, but the urge to survive kicked in quick and I got a job and learned how to survive. I had no choice. I had to make it because I had no one but me. Fear and hunger are great motivation to find work.

Point is, stationary or mobile, if you get cold, hungry, etc, you will find a way. We are built with survival instincts. I have also noticed in my 47 years that if people see you trying, they will help you. In turn, we should help others we see trying. Pay it forward.

If we all waited until we could afford our dreams, very few would ever do anything. I agree with Bob. You can find a way to make money, but you can't get time back.

"Think of a car driving through the night. The headlights only go a hundred or two hundred feet forward, and you can make it all the way from California to New York driving through the dark, because all you have to see is the next two hundred feet. And that's how life tends to unfold before us. If we just trust that the next two hundred feet will unfold after that, and the next two hundred feet will unfold after that, your life will keep unfolding. And it will eventually get you to the destination of whatever it is you truly want, because you want it." - Jack Canfield
 
gcal said:
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Most of the people who have shown up here have some kind of support system where they are. They have family and friends, which is all that seems to have kept some of them off the streets. The family and friends may not take them back once they leave.They may have an employer who has at least tolerated them and provided a paycheck and who will be a local job reference if they are there long enough. That won't exist once they leave. For those of us with a regular income coming in, and skills to make money if we need to, that may not be a big problem. For those who haven't been able to function well in the real world who now have to feed themselves and their vehicle on the road by themselves, it will matter. They will be ruined by an unexpected problem with their health or their vehicle (and they NEVER expect or plan for these things). Even those of us who who think we are well prepared can run into speedbumps, like DH's recent multi thousand dollar dental issues.
But a person with health issues will have them, whether on the road or stationary.  A person with family support will still have that support on the road (unless they do something out of the ordinary and burn those bridges). 
I honestly don't see how being mobile or remote in this day and age makes a big difference so we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
 
eDJ_ said:
GREAT THREAD ! :) 

This is why I encourage younger to middle aged people to get a serviceable first Van and begin to take some week end camping trips or go sight seeing in their Van.   It's why I put together the website in my signature line to show how to do it.   I saw it as a first step into this life.   Although I haven't lived full time out of my Van for a number of years, I've seen and learned first hand a lot of what has been said above.
 
To just buy a dirt cheap clunker and hit the road in it to live there may be a set up for disaster.  LUCK would be a key factor in that strategy and most of that would be consumed in avoiding suspicious LEO's (who may see an opportunity to blame every petty theft in town for the last few months on some kid passing through in some rolling junk pile of a Van  He may even want to impound and dismantle the Van asserting his hunch that it's been used for drug trafficking).  On my TV Local News reports these days it is amazing to me the number of older bearded Men and everyday "Gram maw" looking Women that are shown busted for transporting drugs such as Oxycodone and Heroine.  I guess so many LEO's with their clean shaven heads and militant attitudes are profiling the "Duck Dynasty Look" nowdays that grooming to look clean and appear decently dressed may be one of your best traveling asset.


As for the "skill of finding work" (rarely taught in College, Universities, and most other institutes of higher learning, to wit today's student loan diabolical")  having some real world trade skill with certification that is constantly in demand would provide a trades journeyman living for a trades journeyman who lives full time in a Van or RV.  (being in the "Art's" doesn't provide a "certification" as such, and unfortunately anyone can call themselves an "Arty person" of some kind.  A LEO may demand some evidence of your skills and will likely be as unqualified to fairly appraise them)   I once met a Guy who racked pool in a pool hall who had traveled back and forth  seeing the USA working out of a small tool box with some paints and brushes.  He worked as a sign painter.   He used to speak of taking the bicycle off the back of his Van and using an old metal lunch box with a few containers of paint and a couple of brushes he would take as he rode down country lanes offering to letter people's names on their mail boxes for $5 bucks a pop.  He painted the name in fancy script and the numbers in a block type face.   Each box took him about 15 minutes as he would draw it out for the customer in his spiral ring pocket tablet so they would know what it would look  like before he started.  Said he made them pay up front.  Said he used the old thermos bottle in the lunch box for his paint thinner.  He was a character and told me that when he got in a subdivision the Women would call each other
and before long they would all want his work.   That's about the simplest trade and marketing skills combination I've ever seen employed.   Said he could make $60 bucks a day real easy back then.
He would find sign shops to work in as a "temp"/"tramp" during the bad weather months back then.
During the holiday season he would drive around the town finding Gas Stations that wanted Holiday Greetings
and pictorials painted on their windows and he would do that in the evenings when he was off work.  Said he could make $2000 during November and December with just that market.  He got his picture ideas from
simple greetings cards he would show the station owner.  Again these guys would call their affiliates and send him around their way.


A person can create a 8 1/2 x 11 typing paper advertisement for their skill and go around putting these
on the bulletin boards in the air locks of grocery stores using you cell number as contact info.  If you have a
computer and work on line there are sites like Guru com  and others like it.  If you use PayPal or other
money transfer clients you can do any number of things with the computer or produce hand crafted products and send them through the mail to your buyers.   One person I know of does "Italic hand writing"
and addresses cards for a Dentist (she met on Guru)  to remind his clients they have an appointment within 2 or 3 days.  The arrangement was made at Guru and she purchases the stationary, stamps, and is emailed the files by the Dentist secretary.  She scans the cards she buys (in boxes) and sends a copy of each card for the Dentist approval.   Says he's only turned one of them down so she exchanged it the next shopping visit.  He PayPal's her the money for her expenses (she mails him the receipts) and she charges $35 an hour.  Letters received in the mail make an impression and often wind stuck to the refrigerator door with a magnet.
(people who do this are referred to as "VA's" or "Virtual Assistants" or sometimes "online assistants")
If you have a certification course in MS Office" or other program skills, I would advise to put it in a frame to
hang in your Van or RV.   Remember...........there are still a lot of people out there who can't bring themselves to believe ANYONE could possibly make a living with a computer while sitting in a Van.  I live where there are plenty of them.  


It's all about creativity and thinking.  "Think Sell" should be your credo.   Even your Van should be kept clean and sell-able should you find a deal on a better one with lower mileage and in better shape.   You never know
what can happen out on the road so being prepared to deal with it will be paramount.

I mentioned seasonal temp job websites on another thread. Most of the popular wintering snowbird areas will have such a site. If you can land a job that gives you skills, like operating a forklift or doing upholstery, that's golden!.. But you have to have some discipline and some get up and go if you want to successfully get up and go.
 
mayble said:
But a person with health issues will have them, whether on the road or stationary.  A person with family support will still have that support on the road (unless they do something out of the ordinary and burn those bridges). 
I honestly don't see how being mobile or remote in this day and age makes a big difference so we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

I agree with you mayble. If I have a major health problem here in TN, I can't get state medicaid here and I am SOL. I can't even see a doctor here unless I pay cash for it upfront. If I am on the road and have a medical problem, I can at least go to a state that will cover my medical. I own my home here, but if it breaks, roof starts caving in or heat goes out in dead of winter (and it is out btw)....I'm just as bad off as I am if my van breaks down on the road. No real difference imo. My family can't help me here or on the road. I'm on my own either way. I can't live my life in fear of "what if" something bad happens.
 
eDJ_ said:
GREAT THREAD ! :) 

This is why I encourage younger to middle aged people to get a serviceable first Van and begin to take some week end camping trips or go sight seeing in their Van.   It's why I put together the website in my signature line to show how to do it.   I saw it as a first step into this life.   Although I haven't lived full time out of my Van for a number of years, I've seen and learned first hand a lot of what has been said above.
 
To just buy a dirt cheap clunker and hit the road in it to live there may be a set up for disaster.  LUCK would be a key factor in that strategy and most of that would be consumed in avoiding suspicious LEO's (who may see an opportunity to blame every petty theft in town for the last few months on some kid passing through in some rolling junk pile of a Van  He may even want to impound and dismantle the Van asserting his hunch that it's been used for drug trafficking).  On my TV Local News reports these days it is amazing to me the number of older bearded Men and everyday "Gram maw" looking Women that are shown busted for transporting drugs such as Oxycodone and Heroine.  I guess so many LEO's with their clean shaven heads and militant attitudes are profiling the "Duck Dynasty Look" nowdays that grooming to look clean and appear decently dressed may be one of your best traveling asset.


As for the "skill of finding work" (rarely taught in College, Universities, and most other institutes of higher learning, to wit today's student loan diabolical")  having some real world trade skill with certification that is constantly in demand would provide a trades journeyman living for a trades journeyman who lives full time in a Van or RV.  (being in the "Art's" doesn't provide a "certification" as such, and unfortunately anyone can call themselves an "Arty person" of some kind.  A LEO may demand some evidence of your skills and will likely be as unqualified to fairly appraise them)   I once met a Guy who racked pool in a pool hall who had traveled back and forth  seeing the USA working out of a small tool box with some paints and brushes.  He worked as a sign painter.   He used to speak of taking the bicycle off the back of his Van and using an old metal lunch box with a few containers of paint and a couple of brushes he would take as he rode down country lanes offering to letter people's names on their mail boxes for $5 bucks a pop.  He painted the name in fancy script and the numbers in a block type face.   Each box took him about 15 minutes as he would draw it out for the customer in his spiral ring pocket tablet so they would know what it would look  like before he started.  Said he made them pay up front.  Said he used the old thermos bottle in the lunch box for his paint thinner.  He was a character and told me that when he got in a subdivision the Women would call each other
and before long they would all want his work.   That's about the simplest trade and marketing skills combination I've ever seen employed.   Said he could make $60 bucks a day real easy back then.
He would find sign shops to work in as a "temp"/"tramp" during the bad weather months back then.
During the holiday season he would drive around the town finding Gas Stations that wanted Holiday Greetings
and pictorials painted on their windows and he would do that in the evenings when he was off work.  Said he could make $2000 during November and December with just that market.  He got his picture ideas from
simple greetings cards he would show the station owner.  Again these guys would call their affiliates and send him around their way.


A person can create a 8 1/2 x 11 typing paper advertisement for their skill and go around putting these
on the bulletin boards in the air locks of grocery stores using you cell number as contact info.  If you have a
computer and work on line there are sites like Guru com  and others like it.  If you use PayPal or other
money transfer clients you can do any number of things with the computer or produce hand crafted products and send them through the mail to your buyers.   One person I know of does "Italic hand writing"
and addresses cards for a Dentist (she met on Guru)  to remind his clients they have an appointment within 2 or 3 days.  The arrangement was made at Guru and she purchases the stationary, stamps, and is emailed the files by the Dentist secretary.  She scans the cards she buys (in boxes) and sends a copy of each card for the Dentist approval.   Says he's only turned one of them down so she exchanged it the next shopping visit.  He PayPal's her the money for her expenses (she mails him the receipts) and she charges $35 an hour.  Letters received in the mail make an impression and often wind stuck to the refrigerator door with a magnet.
(people who do this are referred to as "VA's" or "Virtual Assistants" or sometimes "online assistants")
If you have a certification course in MS Office" or other program skills, I would advise to put it in a frame to
hang in your Van or RV.   Remember...........there are still a lot of people out there who can't bring themselves to believe ANYONE could possibly make a living with a computer while sitting in a Van.  I live where there are plenty of them.  


It's all about creativity and thinking.  "Think Sell" should be your credo.   Even your Van should be kept clean and sell-able should you find a deal on a better one with lower mileage and in better shape.   You never know
what can happen out on the road so being prepared to deal with it will be paramount.

I checked out your website. Very interesting. One of my grandsons wants to take off and spend the summer between high school and college touring the west. If he can sav 3nough money in the next 2 years to do it and he keeps his grades up, grandpa and I will see if we can supply the van.
 
gcal said:
I checked out your website. Very interesting. One of my grandsons wants to take off and spend the summer between high school and college touring the west. If he can sav 3nough money in the next 2 years to do it and he keeps his grades up, grandpa and I will see if we can supply the van.

Before anyone asks me how I can say this, a summer of adventure is not what this discussion has been about. The boy has a job and knows how to function in normal society. He's coming back for college. The van would stay in grandpa's name.
 
gcal, I'm sorry but I just don't know those people you're talking about, I'm not aware of them coming here, and I'm not aware of people telling them to just hit the road.

Sometimes we do get very young people (in their teens) who are obviously naive but the overwhelming advice they are given is to get some kind of education or training and get a job, save some money. Most of the time they are told to go to college, which I disagree with as a blanket answer, but that is the most common advice to them.

Maybe we could try this, when you see it happen email me and tell me what you think. I really do want to know so I can understand. My email is [email protected]. You probably have people in mind right now, if you want to email me them as examples at least we could be on the same page.

Let me add one more thing, sometimes I know people personally outside of the forum and they write in and cause a giant stir. I know there are mental health issue behind it but there is no way I can comment on it on-line. that may be some of the cases you're thinking of.
Bob
 
I see this as a fundamentally different way of looking at life. I see discomfort, risk and danger as a reason to live this life and something to be embraced. The fact that it's risky is one of the main reasons I think you should do it.  Humans were born to face risk and danger, its essential to a full human life. Only the dead are never at risk, never have problems, never have discomfort.

We are so obsessed with eliminating any discomfort, risk, or danger that we have insulated ourselves from life. YES living in a tomb is safe, but it is NOT living.

People who come to this website want to LIVE, not exist, not survive, but to LIVE. The philosophy of this website is that to live you must embrace risk and discomfort.

I'm NOT offering you a long life, an easy life or a risk-free life. NO, I'm offering a life lived deeply because it offers just the opposite.

This is the motto of this website, I understand completely if you think it's wrong, it goes against everything you've been told all your life. I offer no apologies and have no plans to change.


I would rather be ashes than dust!

I would rather that my spark should burn out 
   in a brilliant blaze than it should be stifled by dry-rot. 

I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom
   of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet. 

The function of man is to live, not to exist.
I shall not waste my days trying to prolong them. 
I shall use my time. 

attributed to Jack London

Jack London was dead at 40, but no human has ever lived a better life.
Bob
 
I see many different people here, I think that those who have no skills or work experience are a small percentage. If they leave their support system their family & friends might be relieved because they are going out into the world to learn to support them selves!
Others are here because of the high cost of living and low wages looking to find a way to cut the cost of living.
Some are learning to travel cheap.
Then there are those who are retired or on disability and learning to live on their social security checks that are never enough to live on!
 
akrvbob,

You and many others, in various threads, have given advice to people to "Just go for it" and to "sort things out later", while others, myself included suggested that planning and being prepared were a better choice.

With all due respect, when you state that none of these unprepared people come here, on forums and other such mediums, only those who actually register get counted in who's here. Many thousands of others who never register could be reading the things posted though.

In my humble opinion, NOBODY should hit the road without having their income figured out, and their vehicle in decent, reliable condition at the very least, and to be prepared for whatever types of weather they might encounter.

In another thread, something about failure to launch, people were encouraged to just go for it... This is so TOTALLY WRONG!!! Until a person can satisfy any of the reasons for not launching, then they shouldn't launch. It doesn't matter whether their fears are justified or not. Instead of merely telling people to ignore those fears and jump right in, we should take the time to help them to either dispel or resolve those fears.

I have been working with a lot of homeless people, and believe it or not, their biggest fear seems to be that of failure. Telling them to ignore their fears doesn't help them one little bit. Taking them by the hand and teaching them how to get a job and shelter is the only thing that actually works.

MONEY is the single most important ingredient in life. It can be used to buy food, clothing, shelter, or most anything else that is needed. Without money, situations can spiral into desperation in short order. Making money on the road can require a different skill set and strategy than many people have, and not enough time and emphasis is placed on achieving those skills before hitting the road.

I tend to advise people to go to the next town over and get a job before they quit their current job, and to keep doing that until they are confident they can get a job anywhere. This gives them the time to build both their confidence and their job procurement skills before straying too far from home.

I like backup plans, the more the better. I carry a minimum of 30 days worth of everything at all times. If worst came to worst, I could play a harmonica on a street corner, or trap, or fish as needed. Part of being able to enjoy this lifestyle is knowing that you have all of your bases covered, and that requires planning and preparation.

Learning the art of survival for whatever environment or circumstances you might find yourself in, is something I highly recommend. For many of us, if we get ourselves into a situation, the only person we can depend on is ourselves, and we better be prepared for that possibility.
 
I can't respond to such broad generalities. According to you I said unspecified things (I don't believe I've ever said "just go for it" and I'm certain I've never said "sort things out later") to unspecified people in unspecified circumstances. But you're certain I AM WRONG.

I have an unspecified response to you, but you can read anything you want into it and without any doubt you will think IT IS WRONG.
Bob
 
Bob, In my opinion, you have been more inclined to tell people to explore.  BUT~~~ You have never told anyone to go off unprepared. 

This website is designed around helping people get ready to hit the great outdoors, the not so great WM parking lots, and down by the river or lake.  All your work is designed to this end.  This is how you can ~~~ Cook, shower, keep supplies, bathroom, survive~~~

In reading the different threads, I can see how people with differing backgrounds read different meanings into the same paragraph.  I have extensive university training in that area, (debate mediation) so I am able to see. Some of the arguments keep Bob and Cindy (and the other mods) extremely busy. 

Knowing the unpublished background of a poster changes the advice one gives them in public.  I think in many cases that Bob has information that is not publically shared.  This causes confusion to someone that does not know that "Member X" has a support source that makes the advice to go and fly a reasonable suggestion. Or the opposite. 

Having raised children, I find the concept "To see what the world is like" a reasonable idea.  It helps them to get their priorities straight.  Everyone knows "DAD" is just talking to make noise!   :cool:  Then there is the child that is unable to fly.  What to do.  :huh:  They must find what works for them.
 
Threads similar to this keep cropping up. I have been reading them looking for the "essence" of them. The posts are usually very long and I work to pull out that "essence". All I can come up with is that we should choose our words carefully and not express our feelings because someone might read or even "misread" a line and base their entire future on it. Most forums dedicated to a specific topic provide encouragement for pursuing whatever that topic is and the more information one provides about their individual circumstances, the more helpful the forum can be. For those casually reading and misunderstanding, I am not sure what can be done about those people but taking "personal responsibility" seems like the answer for them.
 
There is much missing in writing online vs talking in person. Facial expressions, body language, the physical appearance of the person. Unless you are a master wordsmith, it is so easy for words to be misinterpreted.
There is only so much planning that can be done. Eventually you have to take action. Face your fears, if you have them. And you are guaranteed to run into stuff that you haven't planned on. But life is that way.
I still have my moments of fear or uncertainty after almost two years of living in a van. Like, where I'm going to park in a new town, unexpected expenses, occasional loneliness, etc. But 99% of the time, I truly enjoy this life. I'm glad I did my preparations before starting vandwelling and I'm happy to say I've learned thru trial and error too.
 
I suspect there is much more agreement in this discussion than there is disagreement. I don't think any of us would say "Forget planning its a waste of time--just go for it." That's certainly never my intent, although perhaps I've given that impression at times.

It's probably much more a matter of emphasis than agreement or disagreement. In my view the great majority of "typical" Americans are too timid and want to over-plan, so my tendency is to try get people to plan less. That certainly doesn't mean to never plan, it just means don't plan yourself into a rocking chair and then the grave.

Just because I reject the "American Dream" of 45 years of school and work and then finally become happy when you have a "ton of money" doesn't mean I think you should reject any planning or working toward the goal.

The Buddhists have a saying, "Don't confuse the moon with the finger that points at the moon." The goal is a happy, fullfilled life and we've confused working towards the goal with the real thing. 45 years of drugery at a job you hate, for a jerk of a boss, with people you don't like, to buy crap you don't even really want is not a happy life. And that is a good description of the majority of the people on this forum.
Bob
 
you know if your 25 and healthy and life sucks where you are and you would like to go to the keys and try to make it as a fisherman,i say go for it,hightop van with enough gas to get you there,a couple loaves of bread,bologna,mustard and a case of gatoraid,walk up and down the docks telling everyone you will work your ass off for money
 
akrvbob said:
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ly get.ch more agrpersistenlywant to over-plan, so my tendency is to try  get people to plan less. That certainly doesn't mean to never plan, it just means don't plan yourself into a rocking chair and then the grave. 


Just because I reject the "American Dream" of 45 years of school and work and then finally become happy when you have a "ton of money" doesn't mean  I think you should reject any planning or working toward the goal.

The Buddhists have a saying, "Don't confuse the moon with the finger that points at the moon." The goal is a happy, fullfilled life and we've confused working towards the goal with the real thing. 45 years of drugery at a job you hate, for a jerk of a boss, with people you don't like, to buy crap you don't even really want is not a happy life. And that is a good description of the majority of the people on this forum.
Bob
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It may not be your intent, but if you persistently tell people that their clocks are ticking and that Jack London died at 40, it's the impression they can easily get. Some people just come to the forums and not to your blog, so they don't get the part of the discission regarding your ideas for preparation. Statistically, everyone on this forum will live at least into their late 70's or 80's. Some won't, but the overwhelming majority  will. What kind of lives they will have, then, will depend to a great extent on the decisions they make, now. 

As far as Jack London goes, wow, people like that are very, very rare. They function at a high level in normal life and they function at a high level in alternative lifestyles. They are born on fire, live hot and fast, and burn themselves out - not even accounting for medical advances in the last 100 years. This generation's Jack London may be out there, somewhere, but he's busy flaming thru life. He's not here with us.
 
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