Do you have a plan for when the S#$%^T hits the fan

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Vanbrat, I understand that you are just venting your frustration and your exhaustion under the overwhelmed burden of caring for elderly parents.

As to my health care plans for my senior years. That falls under “personal information” and “need to know” 🙂
 
I am venting.
I am frustrated.
Exhausted isn't even the tip of the ice burg
I am also terrified of/for the people who don't have a plan or family that are willing to fight so many battles like we have had to fight for mom. They thought they had it all covered but..... We thought it would be a bit of a pain in the @$$ but it is still so far from done. At every turn we are having to have papers Mom has not been able to deal with and has lost or destroyed. We are fighting to get the very people who's job it is to ensure she is safe to even notice what is happening to her. We lived to far away and we were dealing with chemo and radiation and our own hell with that to see how bad things had gotten for them. When dad was hospitalized mom was brought to our house by my son who was sickened by the way their apt. looked. We loaded as much up and in her mail we found an old notice that adult protective services had been notified. 4 weeks later, 3 weeks after dad passed. We got a call asking us how he was, and did we think he needed any help and could we do anything for them. What would have happened to her if we had not gotten to her? THREE WEEKS AFTER he passed away!! Needless to say that is one social worker who won't forget that phone call.
So no, I don't need to know the details of your plans just please have some and make sure they are doable. And if this venting gets one person up and makes plans they did not think they needed then okay.
By the way we have not had the time to make our own detailed plans but at least we and our kids know were and what to look for.
I for one am thinking of some of the plans I see here to see what I may have forgotten. And if I forgot them after all this maybe someone else has too.
The part of dying is the easy part, the part mom is dealing with is the part that is sooooo hard, she may well live another 10 yrs. Though I don't think so. Part of the DNR she signed and asked for last trip to the ER was no more pacemaker tests or care. So when the batteries run out so does she. We are struggling and praying that the money doesn't run out first. Moving back in with us is no longer a safe option.
Oh ya. The pacemaker was just one of the health issues they dealt with while parked in son's driveway.
 
There are lots of documents you may or may not need. Birth Certificates, Social Security card, Medicare card, health insurance card, insurance policies, marriage certificates and divorce decrees for all events, any deeds or titles, bank accounts, credit union or any financial information, credit cards (numbers and etc.) automatic payments for services. It really is worth hiring an attorney if dealing with property or larger estate in my opinion. Once they pass get several copies of the death certificates as most insurance companies and financial institutions will require them. If you feel you have 5 years before they pass or even before applying for Medicaid a trust in many states will be worthwhile so again contact an attorney or estate planner so prearrangements can be made. It is a lot easier and cheaper to plan ahead but still a very difficult task to get done.
 
Try not to get too emphatic about how you should be making plans for how family should care for you when you get elderly because in this community there are many who have no such family around. Why not make some suggestions about how to plan on what to do if there is no one…
 
I agree with Death with Dignity. Here's their Life File https://deathwithdignity.org/life-file/
Of the states where it's legal only Oregon allows Non Residents. IMHO it beats dying of being deprived of food & water. I've read that the cause of death is listed as the underlying health condition and won't affect insurance etc. Death is a part of life & can be as complicated. My best friend died in sleep at deer camp 10 years ago this Nov. Good luck!
 
There are lots of documents you may or may not need. Birth Certificates, Social Security card, Medicare card, health insurance card, insurance policies, marriage certificates and divorce decrees for all events, any deeds or titles, bank accounts, credit union or any financial information, credit cards (numbers and etc.) automatic payments for services. It really is worth hiring an attorney if dealing with property or larger estate in my opinion. Once they pass get several copies of the death certificates as most insurance companies and financial institutions will require them. If you feel you have 5 years before they pass or even before applying for Medicaid a trust in many states will be worthwhile so again contact an attorney or estate planner so prearrangements can be made. It is a lot easier and cheaper to plan ahead but still a very difficult task to get done.
If you are searching for someone to help you with this type of planning and management, another keyword to search on is "fiduciary" or "fiduciary services." Sometimes it is a lawyer who offers this but it doesn't have to be. The person who has helped me has a background in accounting and law enforcement. I can't remember now exactly how I found her, but I know I did a xit-ton of research, starting with the American Bar Association, local senior center, etc.

Whether you have family to help you, have family you need to help, or are flying solo, there are still things you need to plan for. It will be different for everyone, and no one post here can cover everyone's needs. Bullfrog is right, it is always a tough challenge but it will be easier if you plan ahead.

The best time to start was 10 years ago. The second-best time is now.
 
There are lots of documents you may or may not need. Birth Certificates, Social Security card, Medicare card, health insurance card, insurance policies, marriage certificates and divorce decrees for all events, any deeds or titles, bank accounts, credit union or any financial information, credit cards (numbers and etc.) automatic payments for services. It really is worth hiring an attorney if dealing with property or larger estate in my opinion. Once they pass get several copies of the death certificates as most insurance companies and financial institutions will require them. If you feel you have 5 years before they pass or even before applying for Medicaid a trust in many states will be worthwhile so again contact an attorney or estate planner so prearrangements can be made. It is a lot easier and cheaper to plan ahead but still a very difficult task to get done.
YES! this is what we found. Also have a trusted person on the bank information/accounts so they can get and give to you YOUR money if you can't get it yourself. We didn't have any of that except the death cert. Mom shredded most of it as that was just what she was doing to keep the bad guys from getting any of her personal info. There was no property, but the bank had 5 accounts and his we just lost. There was not much in his but it's gone. She stopped paying on their storage unit and it is gone along with family photos and other important papers car titles etc.
As soon as we get her settled we are getting our stuff in a single binder for our kids so they don't have this mess. Just 3 dump truck loads of junk to haul off and get rid of.
 
My dawter is a physician………

when i become more of an old fart as well as more of a massive pain to keeping alive, she cant wait to legally & medically pull the plug on my sorry ole man ass.

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She has The Power!

Unless I beat her to it first……..😀

jonny boi dont need no stinking Oregon😎🤙
 
Try not to get too emphatic about how you should be making plans for how family should care for you when you get elderly because in this community there are many who have no such family around. Why not make some suggestions about how to plan on what to do if there is no one…
You may have someone, or several someones... but if they aren't an immediate blood relative or spouse, they have no say... and usually won't even be able to see you! Land of the free, baby...

I've made piece with very real possibility that I'll die alone while being tortured for $$$ by the medical establishment....
 
Try not to get too emphatic about how you should be making plans for how family should care for you when you get elderly because in this community there are many who have no such family around. Why not make some suggestions about how to plan on what to do if there is no one…
To do that first comes the start of conversations. Again, I don't want to get anyone's personal plan. But there are a few here that maybe have not thought about this ugly stuff, and I don't want to scare anyone, but a plan is really important, and I never thought we would be where we are right now. And like I said it terrifies me to think what would be happening to her if we didn't fight and get involved. Already she has had several phone scams aimed at her. Her pension plan that is supposed to continue after dad's death is being jerked around and if hubby, who is a bit of a bulldog with this stuff, didn't get involved it would be gone. And if we had not been there..... So this is me reaching out please make a plan. There have been a few good bits of information here from folks who seem to know what they are talking about.
If there is no one, it would/should be even more important to make a plan. Even if the plans are to just get to a state that will do the thing you want done.
Hubby and his best friend had a plan with each other that if one went the other was going to help the widow with the paperwork or find a good lawyer or ? Sounds like a good plan but they didn't ask us who would be the widows if that was what we wanted. We both agreed NO we would deal with lawyers thank you.
 
You may have someone, or several someones... but if they aren't an immediate blood relative or spouse, they have no say... and usually won't even be able to see you! Land of the free, baby...

I've made piece with very real possibility that I'll die alone while being tortured for $$$ by the medical establishment....
Get a medical power of Attorney with someone you trust. I was not Dad's blood relative. He didn't have one left he was the sole survivor in his family. Mom was not capable so before he went under the first time, he said I was his medical power of attorney. I would not ever take guardian ship nor give it. That is a whole different ball game. Power of Attorney is just if you can't speak for yourself. And it can be JUST for medical issues. And it can be for ONLY if you can't speak for yourself.
 
Vanbrat is right, there are real things you can do to protect yourself.
Yes we live in a messed-up world, but don't make it any worse than it has to be.
At least do a "living will".
I hated working on this, but I got a real morale boost once it was done, just knowing I'd done as much as I could to take charge.
This is one of the things that you can do to make yourself as free as it's possible to be.
 
Vanbrat is right, there are real things you can do to protect yourself.
Yes we live in a messed-up world, but don't make it any worse than it has to be.
At least do a "living will".
I hated working on this, but I got a real morale boost once it was done, just knowing I'd done as much as I could to take charge.
This is one of the things that you can do to make yourself as free as it's possible to be.
That is what my venting is about. Sorry if I got a bit 'loud' but had I known what was coming I think I would have done a few things differently. Don't know just what those things are but I am doing more to make sure my kids don't get hit like this.
So my son hearing that my Grandmother Grandfather all their kids have had this horrible thing has said that he and his wife will take me in when the time comes. I thanked him and hugged him and said I like his wife to much to do this to her. I will check myself into a place before it gets this bad and I will pay for it with our savings (if anything is left after Mom) but mostly I love him and her too much to do this to them. And I am getting my brain health from my FATHER. 91 and still sharp as a tack. No options!
 
Planning to move into an assisted living or similar facility when the time comes is a good plan, as long as we are able to plan.

So often these decisions are taken out of our hands by strokes, accidents, etc., and then our families, if we have one, are left to deal with it all in an emergency.

There’s finding an available bed in a suitable facility, and paying for it, which involves using up all assets and then relying on Medicaid.

Although I had springing powers of attorney in place since my husband died, when we hadn’t done these 🙄, I redid them last year, both medical and financial.

They are in place now, although neither go into effect until my PCP determines I am unable to make my own decisions…which could come at a gradual pace, or suddenly.

I’ve also put both of my kids as co-users on my bank accounts, so that if they have to take over financial decisions on a moments notice, they can do so.

Of course, I trust my kids not to clean me out.

My state, as I’m sure do many others, has downloadable POA forms that can be filled out and signed in advance, if you have someone you trust to take on this responsibility.

If you don't, and end up in an ER, the doctors will make the best decisions they can for you.

We’d all like to think we will be able to make our own plans when the time comes, but I feel pretty sure that the percentage of us who land in the **** has hit the fan scenario is very high.

I guess what I’m saying is that if you are age 50 or over and have loved ones you will rely on, get your stuff together and make a plan, to make it easier for them.

So they don’t have to do it all on the fly, and there will still be a lot to do and a disruption in their lives, because that’s the way that works, those shifts often coming very suddenly.
 
Just for information assisted care and nursing home expenses are beyond what most can afford even with insurance. Medicaid won’t help until all but a few thousand dollars of your wealth have been spent and any incoming moneys except for a few dollars will go to Medicaid. In Kentucky a trust that was in effect for a minimum of five years was the only thing that saved the family home and its property from being taken by Medicaid. If you or your family members have property a trust is something you should consider seriously and discuss with them as soon as possible as there is a 5 year minimum for it to be considered in my opinion. I’m not a lawyer so you should check with one in your state.
 

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