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tx2sturgis said:
Wait...you never heard of Ohm's Law?

It's not just a good idea...its the LAW.

;)

I almost got my room mate in college, who liked to protest, to hold a sign saying "Repeal Ohm''s Law"

I told him it had potential but there was current resistance.
 
Watt hours is the real measure of how much power you can get out of a battery for how long. Because most commonly used batteries are a nominal 12 Volts, people use amp hours, with the 12 Volts assumed. Amp hours is sort of a abbreviated version that people use because it is easier. For example, if you have a device that uses 2 amps, and you expect to run it 5 hours a day, it is easy to calculate that you will use 10 amp hours of capacity of your 12 Volt system.

You need to be careful with amp hour ratings of batteries of different voltage. A 6 Volt battery rated at 100 amp hours only has 600 Watt hours, while a 12 Volt battery rated at 100 amp hours has 1200 Watt hours.
 
IGBT said:
I almost got my room mate in college, who liked to protest, to hold a sign saying "Repeal Ohm''s Law"

I told him it had potential but there was current resistance.

Watt?  OHM I mean OMG, that post needs to be banned...  :D
 
IGBT said:
I almost got my room mate in college, who liked to protest, to hold a sign saying "Repeal Ohm''s Law"

I told him it had potential but there was current resistance.

I had over three years of formal schooling in electronics, it was my chosen field in my late teens and early 20's until I realized you go broke pretty fast, repairing electronic items for money.

Anyway, I remember learning the resistor color codes....with this little memory helper:

Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Goes Willingly.

For Black Brown, Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Violet, Gray, and White. (0 thru 9)

Can you imagine a teacher using that mnemonic trick in today's politically correct world?

Might get someone fired...
 
Tx2sturgis.......... just wow!


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in biology there was a naughty one to remember the 10 cranial nerves
 
Sounds like I'm older than you, Tex. In beep school (basic electricity and electronics) in the service back in '74, we were taught:

Bad boys rape out young girls behind victory garden walls.
 
Spaceman Spiff said:
Amps is a unit of volume (how many electrons I have available), amp hours is a unit of flow rate (how fast am I using electrons).
A simple analogy is water: if you have 100 gallons (volume) you can take 1 gallon an hour for 100 hours or 10 gallons an hour for 10 hours (flow rate).

Amp hours = Watt hours ÷ Volts

 -- Spiff
Sorry to throw in this set of variables, but what about the difference of the following:

2 6v deep cycle batteries connected in the various options - closed and open closed circuit to determine where the batteries together is more powerful (12v) or 6v with longer span or with more max wattage used? Sorry, if I'm a bit off on that - going by memory from an old article.

My reason for asking is that I'm tentatively planning on using 2 6v batteries that might only be connected together in those various options, when actually going to use them for power vs. For storing power from solar options available.

Thanks in advance.

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MOst everything runs on 12V so you hook them up in series. That means you hook the positive of one battery to the negative of the other. the + and - terminals left open now deliver 12V. In series the voltage adds, and in parallel the voltage remains the same and the available current add.

Since it seems we're trying to come up with analogies for electricity so we can understand the concepts, the one that has always seemed most useful to me is the water tower analogy:

You have a water tower = battery.
The size of the water tower tanks it the capacity of the battery in Amp Hours. I think someone used Coulombs here, it's also a measure of capacity...one Coulomb is 6.242×10^18 electrons.
The hight of the water tower = voltage. The higher it is the more pressure (voltage)you'll have at a spigot on the ground.
By the way, ground is like a lake at the bottom.
You have a pipe from the tank to a spigot at the bottom. This is a conductor. The fatter the pipe and spigot, the faster you can get water out of the tank = amps. Fat pipe = low resistance; narrow pipe is high resistance. 
If you have a fat pipe, but it has one little section where the pipe is very narrow, that's like the electrical component called a resistor.
For a given pipe size and tower hight, you can get a certain amount of water out of the tank = gallons per hour = amp hours.
If you put a paddlewheel in front of the spigot outlet, you can spin it to do work = Watts
For a given flow rate (gallons per minute, or Amp Hours), you still need to factor in how high the water tank is. The higher the tank the more work you can do per gallon  = flow rate X pressure = Watts = current X voltage. 

So, Watt/hours = amps x voltage/hours. Yes, to get amp hours from watt hours you divide by 12.


BTW, the reason I like this analogy is that you can also make analogies to give people the concept of a couple of other electrical components:

As I mentioned, a resistor is a narrow section of pipe, and it reduces the pressure in the pipe = a resistor creates a drop in voltage.

A capacitor is like a flexible rubber diaphragm in the pipe. It will stop the constant flow, but if you vary the pressure up and down the diaphram will flex and pass that change through to the other side. A capacitor blocks direct current (DC) but passes alternating current (AC or signals).

An inductor is a section of pipe made of a flexible material. Imagine a ballon with a pipe going in one end and out the other. Depending on the pressure in the pipe the ballon will get bigger or smaller. If you have rapid alternating pressures in the pipe, the ballon will tend to even them out at the output. An inductor is kind of the opposite of a capacitor, it passes DC but inhibits AC.
 
Since it seems we're trying to come up with analogies for electricity so we can understand the concepts, the one that has always seemed most useful to me is the water tower analogy...


It needs to full of carbonated water! All those fizzy little electrons!

:p
 
A capacitor stores DC. even if charged by AC. They are used to buffer surges as when a switch or contact points open. I did take capacitors from distributors, charge them on a 120 volt outlet, toss them to a buddy. It worked much better when charged from a spark plug wire.
 
Thanks for that illustration/explanation Putts, that made sense, which for me is a big statement...  :p

I know that Peukert's effect also plays into all this, and you need to consider it for high draw items like microwaves or any heat producing equipment (coffeemaker etc), thanks to SternWake. This quote below is from a UK website that came up on top of the search results when I typed in "Peukert effect":

[font=tahoma, arial, sans-serif]Peukert's Equation[/font]

[font=tahoma, arial, sans-serif]Mr Peukert first devised a formula that showed numerically how discharging at higher rates actually removes more power (see below before thinking this is wrong) from the battery than a simple calculation would show it to do. For instance discharging at 10 amps does not remove twice as much power as discharging at 5 amps. It removes slightly more. Therefore a 100 amp hour battery (at the 20hr rating) could provide 5 amps for 20 hours, but it could not provide 10 amps for 10 hours. The available time would actually be slightly less.[/font]
 
You're welcome, and like all analogies, they break down at some point.

Maybe we could say that as the friction of the water passing through the pipes get higher with flow rate it heats up and steams off?

Probably should just stick with "the analogy breaks down at some point." :)
 
Weight said:
A capacitor stores DC. even if charged by AC.

Actually a static charge of electrons stored on the plate of a capacitor is not AC or DC....its just a static charge.

But when you start moving them off the plate, that normally will result in a DC (direct current) flow.
 
No, it results in a thigh tightening impulse that can throw you across the room.

Ask me how I know.

(4000V stored in a cap in a radar Klystron tube power supply. I got the rest of the day off. it's weird having a thread of cooked tissue heal that runs down the center your finger.)
 
Putts said:
Probably should just stick with "the analogy breaks down at some point."  :)


Wait, I have one....imagine that a tank of gas in your car is full of amps...then imagine you give it full throttle all day...


Oh never mind.... :p
 
Optimistic Paranoid said:
But then how are you going to impress people with you scintillating conversation at cocktail parties? :cool:

Discussing physics and thermal dynamics of course, a subject more familiar than electronics!
 
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