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Francesfree

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Hello, 
Thanks for taking the time to read this and thanks in advance for your support.
I am looking to put a bundle together myself to expand
[size=medium] I already have the Windy Nation pure sine 1500 watt inverter $229.99. I also already have 6 gage jumper cables.[/size]
[size=medium]I need; [/size]
Blue Sky SB3000i Solar Boost MPPT Solar Charge Controller - $228.67 - 
[size=medium][font=arial, sans-serif]$118.95 [/font][font=arial, sans-serif] (2) 100 Watt Monocrystalline Solar Panel - Mighty Max Battery brand product.[/font][/size]
[size=medium][font=arial, sans-serif]Total to spend still $466.67.[/font][/size]

My questions are; 
Will these components work together?   :idea:
I am pretty confident the Blue Sky controller will allow me to expand, but how much?
[size=medium]Where could I go to have help preparing the fuse connector? I am not familiar with preparing fuses.  [/size]

[size=medium]I do not like buying halfway working parts so I have pure sine and mono panels. I feel like I would keep these along with the Blue Sky controller for a long time and they would be safe and efficient.   :)[/size]
 
Your controller is 30 amps, a 100w panel is just under 6 amps.  500 watts is a good figure for this controller.  The 15 amp Victron is another option, only half the capacity at 12v but with a series panel array it has a higher limit.

The label that indicates this info is displayed on the Amazon page.

The benefit of mono-crystalline is primarily the reduced size of the panel, frequently a factor for vehicle setups.
https://www.amazon.com/100-Watt-Mon...lar+Panel+-+Mighty+Max+Battery+brand+product.
https://www.amazon.com/100-Watt-Mon...lar+Panel+-+Mighty+Max+Battery+brand+product.
 
Most monos are a fraction smaller than their poly counterparts. The Eclipse panels do have a good size advantage. In larger panels it is usually only a inch difference on one end of the same size frame as the poly hence no size advantage at all. 400 watts is the rated limit to a 30 amp controller. Mounted flat 500 watts would only exceed it in the mid day high sun of summer.
 
With the bluesky your limited to 2 of the smaller (21 volt) voltage panels or 1 of the larger high voltage (36 volt) panels. Its max rating is 50 volts of panel input. Which seems kind of low for the price they charge. As far as expansion, you won't be able to add anther 100 watt panel because it will put it over the 50 volt limit. If you do plan to add more panels get a controller that can handle up to 150 volts panel input. You can find them in the same price range or cheaper. I don't think that bluesky controller will ever approach 30 amps output, maybe max out at 20 amps.
If you use one single 290 watt (36 volt) panel (highest the controller recommends) that will he maxing out at about 18 amps when the sun is overhead and your battery is low. But that is a large panel, might not fit on your roof.

But your 2 mighty max panels are of the 22 volt variety total 44 volts which will work fine with your controller. 

panel specs
100 Watt 12 Volt Waterproof Monocrystalline Solar Panel 
Brand: Mighty Max Battery
MFG Part#: MLS-100WM
SKU: 3526127
Maximum Power 100W
Optimum Operating Voltage (Vmp) 18.0V
Optimum Operating Current (Imp) 5.556A
Maximum System Voltage 1000 V(IEC)
Open-Circuit Voltage (Voc)22.4V
Short-Circuit Current (Isc)5.870A
Solar Cell Type Monocrystalline Connection MC4
Length 48.00
Width 22.25
Height 1.80
Weight 18.00 Lbs

controller specs
Maximum PV Power:
400W with 36-cell PV panel 
290W with 60/72-cell PV panel
Rated Battery (Output) Current:
30A with 36-cell PV panel 
22A with 60/72-cell PV panel 
Conversion Efficiency: 97% (typical @28V / 24A output)
Power Consuption: 0.36W (typical standby)
Recommended Max Panel Voc at STC: 40V (Max Panel Input 50V)
Charge Profile: Multi-Stage plus Manual or Automatic Equalization
Absorption Voltage: 14.4V 
Float Voltage: 13.2V 
Equalization Voltage(if enabled): 15.2V 
Auxliary Output (option A, B, or C):
A) Auxiliary Battery Charge 2A (2nd battery)
B) Load Control
C) Dusk-to-Dawn adn PWM dimming (1)
Load (LVD) Disconnect/Reconnect Voltage: 11.5V/12.6V 
Maximum Auxiliary Output current (option B or C): 20A
Display LCD: Yes
Temperature Compensation
(by optional Battery Temperature Sensor):
-5.00mV/°C/cell correct factor (Range 0.00 to -8.00mV/°C/cell) (1)
Operating Temperature: -40°C – 45°C
Maximum Full Power Ambient: 45°C
Environmental Protection: IP20
Connection:
Battery and PV terminals #16-8 AWG (tightened 15.9 in-lb, 1.80 nm)
Auxiliary Output terminals #26-12 AWG (tightened 6 in-lb, 0.67 nm)
IPN Network terminals #26-14 AWG wire (tightened 2.1 in-lb, 0.24 nm)
Weight: 1.08 lb. (493 g)
Dimensions: 6.35 x 4.6 x 2.2" (16.1 x 11.7 x 5.6 cm)
Warranty: 5 years (Tech. Bulletin #100218)
 
Thank you for the replies.
I would eventually like 400 - 500 watts of panels. It's just I can only afford 1 or 2 now.
I thought the Blue Sky controller has the best performance and most flexibility to add panels and regulate power. 
Is there a better controller? Is there a quality energy control and safe controller that costs less than the Blue Sky?  
I am trying to learn this tech but it is sinking in little by little. That is why I am looking for a controller that has built in power safety in several aspects .
 
Francesfree, I own and use two Blue Sky 3024i with a ProRemote(S). Blue Sky Energy makes top notch products and has fantastic customer service. If you go with Blue Sky, you will be getting some of the best equipment made today. Some may argue that other controllers are better, and they would not necessarily be wrong, but no one will say they are anything but top notch. If you are learning and need help, you will not find a better company to deal with.

How are you planning to wire in the four or five panels? If they will all be in parallel, the 3024i can handle that by itself, but that will be too many amps for the wire. You can run two panels and be comfortable with the amps. Any more and you would need very short wires to handle the amps. If you wire two panels in series, then wire those in parallel, the 3024i can still handle that and the wire will be able to handle the amps (The 3000i would not). But then you are stuck at four panels. You could add another controller later, though, then add another panel.

Adding another networked controller is nice because you can add any kind of solar panel. Matching panels is a non-issue. Technology marches on and you will begin to have trouble finding a panels that match your old panel(s). Panels fade over time, too, so no matter what, they won't match.

I had made a mistake of getting only one controller for two, 285 watt, 60 cell panels. Ended up getting another controller so each panel now has its own controller; that has allowed me to use all of the available power the panels provide. It has been a big help. I also have room for growth.

In the future I am considering replacing my panels with four, 180 watt, 36 cell panels. I would wire two in series to make in effect one 72 cell panel. Then each pair of panels would go to their respective controllers. The 3000i wouldn't be big enough to handle that; only the 3024i could. I considered getting smaller controllers and having 4 controllers, each with one panel, but that starts taking up space inside and creates more holes in the trailer.

Keep in mind you can network only ONE 3000i because it can ONLY be a master. It CANNOT be a slave. In a networked system, one is the master with the rest of them slaves. Therefore, in the future, if you want larger panels or want to connect panels, whether parallel or series, you will need a controller that can handle the power. The 3024i right now is your only option. With the increase in power from solar panels, I suspect Blue Sky will eventually release a controller that can handle more powerful panels, but that doesn't exist yet.

Another thing to consider is if you want to wall mount the 3000i, you will need a box, which then brings the price close to the 3024i that doesn't need a box to wall mount. The 3000i is flush mount without the wall mount box option. The 3024i is wall mount only.

The Midnite Kid, which also can be networked, is an appealing option. It doesn't need a separate remote panel to get detailed information and ability to fine tune your settings like the Blue Sky systems needs. Two Midnite Kids cost $600. One 3000i, one 3024i, and one ProRemote(S) costs $700. You don't need the ProRemote, not even to be networked. If you opted to get the 3000i and the 3024i by themselves, you are looking at $490. The Midnite can handle higher voltages, but can handle only 30 amps. The 3024i can handle 40 amps, but less voltage. The Midnite Kid also has fuses built in, which is quite convenient. I started out with one controller then added the rest a year later. I recommend the ability to fine tune your charging parameters with a control panel of some sort, but it is a lot to learn at first.

A side note: A battery temperature sensor really ought to be used when charging AGMs.

Blue Sky Energy is specifically designed for the RV industry. Many of the other companies started out with home solar; that's probably why you see much higher voltage capabilities. The altestore is the cheapest place I've found for controllers. You may want to check out their 330 watt, 96 cell solar panel made by Panasonic. Blue Sky wouldn't be able to handle that panel, but the Kid easily could.

You are smart in getting a higher end controller that has more safety features built in. For example: If you hook up your solar panels backwards (which can be easy to do because both the positive and negative wires from the solar panels are almost always black and can be easily confused) you can fry some controllers. Both Blue Sky and Midnite are reverse polarity protected. Handybobsolar has some good information. He doesn't approve of the Midnite brand at all. With controllers you get what you pay for.
 
Wow thanks. That was a lot of information and I even followed a good part of it!
$600 is too much right now.
I need to be able to keep my snake Mil on a heating pad 24/7. That is the big survival thing right now. That is 100 watts at the very most but I know I need a bit more than that because one should always be a bit over.
Thanks for all the input.
So I can just get the Blue Ski 3000i and 2 100 watt panels and be good.
I am only confused at the part where I do need to buy a separate remote for them to work?
Also I must consider is almost $300 worth it to get the 3024i which could be used with 4 panels.
I think I will call Blue Sky. I appreciate everyone's input. I wanted input of people who have experienced having solar panels before going forward.
 
Frances free, you don't need the remote (ProRemote) for them to work; it is an optional accessory with the Blue Sky. It is a control panel that provides much more detailed information and allows much more control over the charge controller(s). It is not a must have, but it is nice. You can still adjust Blue Sky controllers for AGM or lithium or any kind of battery. The Midnite Kid happens to have the control panel built in. The 3024i can be used with four panels; the Kid could also handle four panels. If you connect a total 5 panels in series, then the Kid could actually handle all 5 panels.

However, connecting all of your panels in series is not recommended, but that is a discussion that has been addressed in another thread. Suffice to say connect in parallel (or series/parallel if you have 4 panels), but no more than 2 panels. Maybe 3 in parallel in some applications where the panels are located close to the charge controller. Well, maybe you could do 4, but the panels would have to be mounted very close to the CC; I would have to look into that. But that is a different thread.

Yes, you can get the Blue Sky 3000i and two, 100 watt panels and be well within the capacity. The 3000i does have a fairly nice control panel built into it. It is an excellent choice and highly recommended. Lots of people on this site use that very controller and you will be able to get a lot of first hand information specifically for that model. Not so many went with the 3024i like I have and no one that I know of has the optional RemotePro that I have.

If you are short on funds, the 3000i is easily the best choice. At the altestore the 3000i is $215.90+shipping, the 3024i without a display is $273.32+shipping, the 3024i WITH display is $296.29+shipping, and the Midnite Kid is $295+shipping. The 3000i would be about the same as Amazon at $228.67+free shipping. If you go with alte, you don't have to worry about getting cheap wire/accessories. Some Amazon suppliers may have lesser quality wire or other accessories.

It sounds like 2, 100 watt panels will cover your needs if you have mostly sunny days. You would be spending $238 for two, 36 cell panels. If you went with EcoWorthy, those are $104 a piece, $208 for two, with free shipping, so you save $30 on Amazon. If you go to the EcoWorthy website you can get one 180 watt, 36 cell panel for $229+free shipping or two of them for $370+free shipping which is a SMOKIN' DEAL. I don't know the quality of EcoWorthy, though. The 3000i would not be able to handle two of these panels at once. If you spend a bit more on a 3024i, which can handle the more powerful panels, you can somewhat justify it by saving on the panels. But that is money you probably don't have right now.

If you go with the 180 watt panel and eventually go with four panels, that would be 720 watts of power compared to 400 watts of power. Three panels is 560. Not sure if that interests you, but I find it interesting. It's a lot of wattage per square foot.

If you sign up to get email stuff from Renogy, you get 10% off. That means $114 a piece, $228 for two+free shipping. I highly recommend Renogy panels above almost any other. They have been around for a while, will continue to be around, and have good product. SolarWorld, another high quality brand, can be had for as little as $200 for a 60 cell, 290 watt panel. 60 cell panels are generally the cheapest per watt, but they must be shipped via semi truck, which negates any savings unless you buy in bulk. If you can pick up a 60 cell panel yourself, that could be an option.

Enjoy your conversation with Blue Sky Energy; not only are they helpful, they are fun to talk with.

alte has a YouTube channel with some awesome information. You can get the same information from their website without having to watch videos.
 
all solar panels no matter what there voltage, will work on a 12 volt system. That panel is a 36 volt panel will easily work with any controller mppt or pwm. The controller will automatically reduce the voltage to match your battery. One large panel will be easier to install and you won't regret its power output. 

I have a smaller 240 watt (36 volt) solar panel on the roof of my small astrovan and am very satisfy with its performance. In winter I get about 9 amps of power, in the summer around 12 amps, thats with the panel lying flat on the roof. 

If you can get a large panel to fit, that would be the way to go. 

290 watt sunmodule specs
Peak power - P[font=PTSansRegular, arial, serif]mpp [/font]290W 
Peak power voltage - V[font=PTSansRegular, arial, serif]mpp[/font]31.9V
Peak power current - I[font=PTSansRegular, arial, serif]mpp[/font]9.20A
0pen circuit voltage - V[font=PTSansRegular, arial, serif]oc[/font]39.6V
Short circuit current - I[font=PTSansRegular, arial, serif]sc[/font]9.75A
Module Efficiency 17.3%
Max System Voltage 1000V
Cell Type Mono 
5 busbar
size - 39.4 x 65.95


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jonyjoe303 said:
all solar panels no matter what there voltage, will work on a 12 volt system.
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jonyjoe303 said:
a 36 volt panel will easily work with any controller mppt or pwm. The controller will automatically reduce the voltage to match your battery. 
No.

Higher voltages both

require MPPT in order to take advantage of the higher voltage

and are ideally suited to take advantage of MPPT's greater conversion efficiency.

A PWM controller will waste all the power above the 17-19V minimum needed.

Unless you find one with DC buck conversion, which I've never come across.
 
Thanks so much! I am excited to have found 290 watts for $212.
Now I am watching info videos on altestore.com to learn more.
 
Francesfree said:
I have the SolarWorld brand panel and can attest to the high quality of the panels. It is one of the few panels I wholeheartedly endorse and prefer it over the Renogy 60 cell panels. Keep in mind the shipping costs, though. Unless you can pick them up in Maryland, the shipping will be high. SolarWorld panels can be had at many places, so you aren't stuck with having to buy from one source.

Alte may be able to work with you if they have a shipment heading near you. They are a friendly company and if there is something they can do that is convenient, they will.

The 36 cell panels are a lot easier to pick up and move around. The 60 cell panels aren't bad, but are too much for people who aren't accustomed to lifting heavy items. The 72 cell panels are too heavy for one person unless you have long, gorilla arms and are as strong as Hulk Hogan. That's an exaggeration, but they are very heavy and unwieldy for one person. Handling that panel while balancing on a ladder or on the edge of a roof while the wind is blowing is a bugger to say the least

Two 36 cell panels wired in series may fit better than one 72 cell panel because of the different overall shape.

Like Jonyjoy303 said, the biggest panel you can pair with the 3000i is the 290 watt, 60 cell panel you mentioned. While it is technically within spec, it may be asking a lot of the controller to use it to the max all the time. That may wear it out prematurely. I ignorantly ran 570 watts on one 3024i controller for almost a year before I figured out my mistake. Now I have two controllers and it has been a year and a half and it is still going strong. What it did was chop off the extra power; it didn't take that extra power in and burn out the controller.
 
I will keep in mind everyone's imput. 
I am strongly looking at an all black 290 watt Seraphim. 
I read the busbars get cracks with swelling and shrinking from heat and cold. 
[font=PTSansRegular, arial, serif]SERAPHIM SOLAR 290 WATT SOLAR PANEL, MONO, ALL BLACK for $212.[/font]
[font=PTSansRegular, arial, serif]https://www.altestore.com/store/sol...-panels-p40805/#SEP290SRP290MBK[/font][/SIZE]
[font=PTSansRegular, arial, serif]Packing dollies will be how I manage the panel. Yeah but how AM I getting it on the roof? haha [/font]
[font=PTSansRegular, arial, serif]Also who does a person go to to put the fuse on? Perhaps they will if I bake them cookies!  :blush: [/font]
 
Wow shipping costs $285.76! Ok, change of plans.
I hope AltE makes a deal with UPS someday.
 
Francesfree said:
Thanks,
I took a picture of the chart for reference. I spent a lot of money on the 6 gage. I hope I can return it or keep it for the van.

Everyone makes mistakes with their installs. Look at what I did with overpaneling my CC; that could have been an expensive mistake. It still might bite me in the butt. That's part of the learning process, though.
 
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