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[eDJ_]

Yes, I lived in the Zanesville, Ohio area at one time and dated a girl who came from Coshocton, Ohio. She took me to her hometown which was once a large terminal on the Erie Canal and that part of the town was restored as Roscoe Village Heritage center.

There was a Canal Boat that had been built by "canal historians" there that you could board and be towed along the canal. There are kayakers using the canals today for sports and recreation. Some of these recently built canal boats are used for towing tourist out and back on open stretches of the canal. A lot of fishermen fish the canals too.

Roscoe Village in Coshocton, Ohio

Waverly, Ohio was another large terminal on the canal too. When driving to Columbus (state capital) north on S Rt 23 thru Waverly you are driving right over the old canal channel. The Post Office there has this old WPA era mural painted on one of it's walls. You notice the red brick building with the wooden outdoor stair case on the side of it ? It is still there. (or was the last time I went thru there)

Waverly, Ohio Canal Park

But all across Ohio there are ruins of the Erie and the Miami canal. In New York there are similar. Some segments of these canals have been restored for historic value and tourism.

The lower part of the Ohio Erie Canal was prone to flooding. Farmers and timber businessmen clear cropped a lot of trees and there was nothing to help stop the big floods after the Civil War. So by 1913 the last huge flood thru that area nearly destroyed that end of the canal. Had it not been for this unchecked agricultural practice.....Portsmouth, Ohio may have become as large as Cleveland, Ohio today. The last huge flood was in 1937. Since then the Corp of Engineers has worked to build lakes along side the rivers to serve as catch basins for water run off. They have spillways so that they can release the water they fill up with once the rivers begin to return to their normal levels.

Some ask how canal boats got from the New York Erie Canal at Buffalo, NY to the Ohio Erie Canal at Cleveland, Oh. Well, steam boats (tugs) were built to ply Lake Ontario and Lake Erie so that groups of canal boats could be tied together as floatillas and towed across those stretches of the Great Lakes to get back and forth. With the help of these tugs the canal boats could be towed across those parts of the Great Lakes just a few days. So that within 13 days or so one could travel from Albany, NY to Portsmouth, Oh.

 

[eDJ_]

As a final post on this thread, and the movement of apples and other agricultural goods thru our early America I'd mention the Canadian contribution to enable the Canals to be much more effective. It was to their benefit to join in the canal building industry as well with their cooperative spirit.
The Canadians offered the missing link to our canal system.

Niagara Falls was a steep declining area to attempt to build a canal bypass around it from the American side of Lake Ontario. But the Canadians were willing to build on their Canadian soil the Welland Canal which was 27 miles long with 8 sets of Locks to better enable navigation between Lake Ontario and Lake Erie. Their contribution brought the American Canal system to a much better state of operation. Certainly it benefited them commercially but they also went on to built steam boats that could tow canal boats about Lake Ontario as well.

The Canadian PS Frontenac was a side paddle wheel steam boat that could travel at 10 mph. It was constructed in Earnesttown, Ontario in 1816. A year later the Ontario was built on the American side of Lake Ontario. Following it were more like the Ontario, built for a fleet owned by an American shipping company.



1816 Canadian Steam Boat PS Frontenac on Lake Ontario

American Steam Boat "Ontario" 1817 built at Sackets Harbor in New York City.
It sailed from there to Lake Ontario for freight & passenger service.


On Lake Erie the first steam boat that towed canal boats was the Walk-In-The -Water.

1818 American Steam Boat Walk-In-The-Water was built to serve on Lake Erie, Lake Huron, and Lake Michigan as canals connected all of them.

The Walk-In-The-Water was a slower boat that traveled at 8 mph.

An artist painting depicting Steam Boats towing a flotilla of canal boats across the Great Lakes. Canal boats w.eren't powered as they were more like barges, so they had to be towed





This map shows the Welland Canal that the Canadians built and the miles between Buffalo, NY to Cleveland, Oh and on to Toledo, Oh. This canal was constructed roughly five miles west of the Niagara River & falls.



In the time of the Welland Canal about 40 million tonnes (88 billion pounds) of cargo per year, including iron ore, wheat, corn, soybeans, bituminous coal, and manufactured iron, steel, and cement passed thru it.

Travel on water was much more efficient and faster than over land then. Steam Boats could travel 100 miles a day (even 150) where wagons or stage coaches could only travel 7 to 12 miles a day in the early 1800's. This is how the Erie Canals reduced shipping cost up to 90% and helped to build America's westward movement.

By the 1850's Railroads began to be built.

In this time the first apple that was a commercial success for shipping was the Ben Davis apple. The rapid transport of the canal system undoubtedly prompted it's success. All of my life I've heard old folks talk of Ben Davis apples and wondered why.

 

[vanbrat]

All because I had so many apples
I find it fascinating how some things bring up other things and where the conversations go along from there. The whole history lesson (I like History lessons).
I like to find spots that have a bit of history to study. So far I have been on the trail with Louis and Clark and I have walked cannery row from Steinbeck's books And I drove on a part of the wagon train road in Calif. and I walked around some pueblos in Arizona also the old before really badly touristy the Ok corral. I have walked the fort in Sacramento and ground acorns and corn in the old family ranch flint field, chipped arrow heads (badly). Several Missions in Calif. are fun and were part of our school field trips. As well as a trip to old court houses and jails (Dad liked those). The light house George Washington commissioned, and the old fort Knox was fun.
The trail road is well known for ghosts. Just thought I'd put that out there. But ask me if I ever got good grades in history, nope! I like to read good bio books.

 

[eDJ_]

Interesting are some of the things you mention here vanbrat. I read "Cannery Row" way back in school days and later "Undaunted Courage" (story of Lewis & Clark expedition) by Stephen Ambrose in 2004. For those who travel in our rigs there is a lot to see and learn about in America. Especially for the families who are home schooling to be able to visit sites of historical interest and connect the dots as to how they have made possible the quality of life we enjoy today. Whether it be food items (such as apples) or to gain deeper understandings of what made America Great.......beyond just those words cast about by politicians seeking votes.

Where I live here in Appalachia there is lots of Limestone and where that mineral exist you will find lots of Flint. So if flintknapping appeals to you find an area near you that has lots of deposits of Limestone.

As far as grades in school, some kids learn easy and make A's easy. (withing a few weeks they forget anything about what they studied) I once had a professor who explained how he had Summa Cum Lade students in his class who the next year passed by him without even being able to remember who he was when he spoke. Yet kids who struggled to make C's would happily greet him years later and discuss with him the things they studied in class. This is the frustration so many Teachers have when trying to explain to parents that grades don't matter that much.....when those parents are obsessed with their kids grades instead of their learning anything....especially how to think for themselves.

It sounds like you've done well for yourself vanbrat

 

[vanbrat]

Interesting are some of the things you mention here vanbrat. I read "Cannery Row" way back in school days and later "Undaunted Courage" (story of Lewis & Clark expedition) by Stephen Ambrose in 2004. For those who travel in our rigs there is a lot to see and learn about in America. Especially for the families who are home schooling to be able to visit sites of historical interest and connect the dots as to how they have made possible the quality of life we enjoy today. Whether it be food items (such as apples) or to gain deeper understandings of what made America Great.......beyond just those words cast about by politicians seeking votes.

Where I live here in Appalachia there is lots of Limestone and where that mineral exist you will find lots of Flint. So if flintknapping appeals to you find an area near you that has lots of deposits of Limestone.

As far as grades in school, some kids learn easy and make A's easy. (withing a few weeks they forget anything about what they studied) I once had a professor who explained how he had Summa Cum Lade students in his class who the next year passed by him without even being able to remember who he was when he spoke. Yet kids who struggled to make C's would happily greet him years later and discuss with him the things they studied in class. This is the frustration so many Teachers have when trying to explain to parents that grades don't matter that much.....when those parents are obsessed with their kids grades instead of their learning anything....especially how to think for themselves.

It sounds like you've done well for yourself vanbrat

I have 2 kids who didn't do good grades but both are kids/adults that if I needed to be stuck on a deserted island, they would be my first choice to be stranded with and not just because they are my kids. They don't hesitate at hard work they know how to go from raw junk to something useful and even pretty. They know how to solve problems. (Can you tell I am proud of my sons)

I have kids I have had in my preschool class come up to me in the store and give me hugs. Weird sometimes but ok. My job is not to teach kids anything except to love to learn, that learning is fun and mistakes are good for rethinking things, and they are always capable, and just because this is hard for you and it is easy for him that doesn't mean anything. There are lots of ways to be "smart". Everyone is good at something. Sometimes it is just not here yet. oh yea and now that I am an ol' fart they are starting to bring their kids around and into class.

I am on my 3rd generation of apple pressing this year I had a lady who was in my first class at this center as a teacher intern and her son had his kid come to apple pressing.

 

[eDJ_]

^^^ vanbrat wtote:

My job is not to teach kids anything except to love to learn, that learning is fun and mistakes are good for rethinking things, and they are always capable, and just because this is hard for you and it is easy for him that doesn't mean anything. There are lots of ways to be "smart". Everyone is good at something. Sometimes it is just not here yet.
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If you can impress on kids the joy and importance of learning at a young age, that's a lot of the battle. So often kids hear "grades, grades, grades" and compare themselves to "the smartest kid in the class". And that isn't healthy.
Old school types still hold to notions that "it ain't a fair world and those kids have to knuckle down and work hard and learn to compete". But as we've learned more about the development of the brain we've found that kids brains aren't fully formed when they enter school. That isn't even finished until they are out of school.

The Prefrontal Cortex is the late comer to the brain's development. It's why so many companies and corporations refrain from hiring those under 25 years of age. A lot of the mischief and troubles kids get into comes at a time before their prefrontal cortex has developed. A lot of veteran teachers have seen this trauma play out between teens and parents and notice that there a few who elect not to rush right into marriage and having kids right out of school Often they weren't thought to have been the smartest in class. But again, intelligence takes many forms.

As we labor this apples thread one can see that there is a lot more to "things" than meets the eye. How often do kids in school get encouraged to investigate
how the apples they see in the grocery store got there....or even into their lunch box. That's the underwater part of the iceberg that is learning.


About the Prefrontal Cortex:

The prefrontal cortex, the part of the brain responsible for planning, decision making, and other executive functions, is usually fully developed by age 25:

• Development
  The prefrontal cortex is one of the last parts of the brain to mature, and its development primarily occurs during adolescence.
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• Brain scans
  Different parts of the brain mature at different rates, and brain scans show that the prefrontal cortex doesn't fully mature until around age 24.
  
  
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• Brain remodeling
  The brain's remodeling process speeds up during the teenage years, peaking between ages 13–15.
  
  
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• Cognitive functions
  Higher cognitive functions like language and intelligence continue to develop into the third decade of life.

The prefrontal cortex connects all parts of the brain, including those associated with emotion and impulses. This allows for better involvement of all areas of the brain in planning and problem-solving.

 

[eDJ_]

This is an image of Lock 1 the entrance to the Ohio Erie Canal at Cleveland facing out towards Lake Erie. It is pretty well preserved and the tourist center has working models of how the canal worked. Well worth visiting for Nomads looking for interesting places.

Apples grown in Ohio would leave here to points east as far as New York City.
Cuyahoga National Park in Cleveland has the entrance to the Erie Canal in fairly well restored condition.

On the other hand Portsmouth, Ohio's Lock 146 at the Ohio River doesn't fare so well. It is a ruin that reminds local people of what their town could have been. (much like Cleveland) But this area along the Ohio river was once a hardwood capital of the world and the ease of clear cropping timber in the Scioto Valley led to the wash out of the Erie Canal that ran thru it. Timber harvested here was purchased by ship builders and other wood working industries.