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Seminole Wind
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most definitely, but there wont be tons of kids there.
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yes bring the kids they are welcome. there is always some children but like Seminole says there isn't a ton of children. at least in the past it's been that way, there seems to be more people interested in brining kids this year. highdesertranger
Seminole Wind
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it would be cool to see more kids out there
Bob's latest video Dec 26:
I'm having a problem posting the transcript but here's Bob's summary:
" Hi Everyone, if you are in the market for new a new solar power system, or just for some parts and pieces to it--YOU ARE IN LUCK!! Northern Arizona Wind and Sun is offering another 7% off coupon on everything in stock (except sale and clearance items)!! The coupon starts on January 1 and goes to January 31. You can use the code in the store itself, online or over the phone orders by using the code RTR007. Here is all the info you need: Northern Arizona Wind & Sun www.solar-electric.com 1.800.383.0195"
I'm having a problem posting the transcript but here's Bob's summary:
" Hi Everyone, if you are in the market for new a new solar power system, or just for some parts and pieces to it--YOU ARE IN LUCK!! Northern Arizona Wind and Sun is offering another 7% off coupon on everything in stock (except sale and clearance items)!! The coupon starts on January 1 and goes to January 31. You can use the code in the store itself, online or over the phone orders by using the code RTR007. Here is all the info you need: Northern Arizona Wind & Sun www.solar-electric.com 1.800.383.0195"
I'm still having problems posting the transcript of Bob's Dec. 26th video but here are the main points:
Volunteers are still needed for the RTR. Contact Jude at [font=Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=medium][font=Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif][email protected][/font][/font][/size]
You can start arriving on Jan. 8th. If you have a self contained RV please try to camp on 14 day land rather than at the RTR site
so that everyone who is planning on tent or car camping will be able to camp close to the porti-potties. There will be plenty
of day parking so if you park far out you'll be able to drive in and park for the day.
Volunteers are still needed for the RTR. Contact Jude at [font=Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=medium][font=Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif][email protected][/font][/font][/size]
You can start arriving on Jan. 8th. If you have a self contained RV please try to camp on 14 day land rather than at the RTR site
so that everyone who is planning on tent or car camping will be able to camp close to the porti-potties. There will be plenty
of day parking so if you park far out you'll be able to drive in and park for the day.
Bob's latest video with Suanne. RTR and WRTR info: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj4CkaH0...apRVliving
An edited and shortened transcript. Sorry about the rough state of the transcript. I've corrected as much as I can but my internet signal is really poor and keeps disconnecting.
Okay questions and answers: Let me start with the big one - the government shutdown
and is there going to be an RTR? Let me tell you everything I know so that you know everything I
know. The field office where we're holding the women's rubber trap rendezvous
called and said “You've got your permit. You're set. This is not going to affect you. “.
The RTR is actually in the field office of a different district
region of the BLM in Arizona and so we're dealing with different people for
the RTR. We do not communicate well and they're not allowed to do that kind of official
business during the shutdown so we haven't heard anything from them. I'm
nearly certain it's exactly the same situation as the WRT and we've heard
officially that it's on so I'm going to assume that it's exactly the same thing
and everything will be okay. That's the best I can tell right now, so,yes
we're proceeding full speed ahead
An announcement I need to make is that that we are going to
continue the caravans after the RTR .We need caravan leaders if you're at all
interested in a caravan leader contact me [email protected]
We would like to have a female only caravan so we're definitely looking for female
leaders so please let me know if you are interested in that also
Jude wanted me to announce that we now have plenty of volunteers.
There's only entrance in and out, well, it's not the only entrance in and out there are
other ways you go out on Mitchell Mine Road. Last year we had 5,000 people. Add the
south part where the music camp was with three
thousand people in there and with only one entrance and exit. It wasn't a problem
folks. I went and out of that entrance every day of the RTR and at most I waited
five minutes.
If there is an emergency how are we all going to get out?
If there is an emergency we can all get out anywhere along the
Mitchell Mine Road that we need.
A youtuber found a way in. There are multiple
ways in. It's just a little berm there and any of the vans could jump that berm at
almost any place. The RVs would have a little harder time but
there are places where you could jump that burn and get out
But what he did was illegal. He drove out there on the land illegally
No one is ever allowed back there except for the RTR and that seems to confuse a lot
of people. We've been given a special recreation permit and that means we have
got a permit for this one time, this one period of time, this one event to change
the rules. We can go drive around out there we can go camp there. Those things we
can do.
This is not the rainy season. I've been coming to the Quartzite area in the
winter for ten years now and I have seen three flooding events in those ten years
and by a flooding event I mean there was water standing on the ground and
there was water flowing pretty rapidly down washes.
It's just it's extremely unlikely. It's never happened during the RTR.
It would take an enormous event to have any impact on us at all and there
will be plenty of warning. The BLM will come out and
say “Hey we got a big storm coming you may have to evacuate” That's the kind of
thing that is required that happens
Let's talk about permits
It's a great big desert folks. You don't have to camp right there at the
RTR. There's 14-day camping all around it
You can go outside the RTR and camp and be all alone
Where do we get my permit if I stay out in the 14-day land ?
Go to the regular check-in on Kuhn Road.
If you are going to the RTR too you need a permit so just come over
and get a permit from us. The big thing is
the BLM wants to know how many people were there and this is
the only way. If you come into the RTR you get a permit and then we'll all know
how many. I'm kind of curious to know myself. We're just throwing numbers around
that we think but we don't know.
Do you need a permit for just one
day. Yeah if you are there overnight.
I'd like to encourage you to leave the old Ecsapees Boomer location open for the big rigs.
The biggest rigs probably cannot get into the RTR site.
WRTR
If you happen to be in the area and would like to join us please feel welcome. We have
probably between a hundred to two hundred people already. We just asked that if
you come early that you go ahead and go about a quarter
mile down main that dirt road to the the Y which is main and Near East and go
ahead and camp beyond that because that area that's closer in we're currently
setting up and we have lots of things to do there that we don't want you to camp
there and then ask you and move
so we have lots of volunteers they are doing a marvelous marvelous job.
If you would like to come a day early and check in which basically
means getting your name button.
Beth is running that button booth and she will be opening open at
ten o'clock in the morning until about 2:30 that afternoon.
Men are more than welcome. Friends that I have that are men are there and other
people's friends and partners are there. So feel free to come on in.
We just ask that you stay through the third only.
If you come in late during the WRTR, it's really the same process as if you
come in on time. you'll drive in you go past the handicapped area. Yu'll be past
the staff area you go past the porta-potties you'll go past the main
meeting circle and then you'll find a arge parking area that will fit up to
about 400 different rigs so go ahead and park there go ahead and then walk back
the way that you drove to the information center and that's where the
white shade tent will be. You can get your button and find out information
about where you want to camp and so forth.
Where can we donate to the RTR?
We have a couple ways that you can donate during the RTR
One is for cheap RV living specifically and we'll have a container both at the
RTR and at the WRTR for CRVL because both of them are events of cheap RV living and we'll also have containers for Homes on Wheels Alliance.
People want to donate directly to cheap RV living and that will be there as well .
Home on Wheels Alliance web page is homes on
wheels Alliance dot org and it's a org because it's a 501c3 nonprofit charity
and we are currently building it and we expected up sometime in January fully up
however you can go ahead and still donate there. There's a donate button
that will take you to PayPal.
Can children attend the RTR?
Yes there will be there. There won't be a lot but
there definitely will be children and they're welcome.
I would caution parents to really take a look at the topic of the
session that's being covered . For instance we do talk about safety for women
and sometimes in detail. Some of that information may not be good for
children to hear, so parents be cautious but yes, children are welcome.
Alcohol: What you're doing the privacy of your rig is 100% your decision.
It's none of our business but if you get drunk and you come out and
you're annoying then it becomes our problem, We're gonna have a conversation,
Well, we're not gonna have a conversation. We're going to call the BLM Rangers.
They're law enforcement officers and they're going to have a conversation
because I don't have any authority and I can't tell you what to do.
Marijuana: This is federal land and it's illegal to have marijuana. That's the bottom line
and they wanted us to tell you that so we are telling you that. We don't
know what that's going to mean. We don't know.
They're doing their due diligence for sure letting us
know what is legal and what is not legal. Just because you have a card doesn't
matter on federal land, a medical card means nothing on
federal land. They could still arrest you
ATVs are perfectly legal. It's public land.
We just ask you to e always be polite considerate
Don't make noise, don't kick up dust. We ask that for cars too.
ATVs are only allowed on the main road
where we're camping so you can't just go wandering around in the desert
on ATVs. That's not allowed anywhere.
I'm gonna vlog every day during the RTR and I'll upload that onto
the channel and let you know what's going on. We'll try and live stream
whenever we can.
For the WRTR and the women's meetings historically
we haven't had any photography or video or audio recording. The
reason is is that we wanted to create a safe space for women to talk about
whatever they felt like feel like talking about which is sometimes very
personal things without fearing that their image or what they said would
make it to the public space so we're asking people again not to take
photographs or video recordings or anything of the sessions however
if you're just with your friends feel okay
about you taking a picture of them.
If you just absolutely cannot have your picture on screen you might
reconsider coming right seriously because we tell everyone to be
considerate and thoughtful but it's it's out of our control and it's out of your
control. I have two or three different media crews that are
coming to make documentaries and they're gonna set the
camera up and it's gonna run. You walk behind it, they'll never notice you ,
you'll never notice them but there you are -you're on a documentary and we can't
control that .
An edited and shortened transcript. Sorry about the rough state of the transcript. I've corrected as much as I can but my internet signal is really poor and keeps disconnecting.
Okay questions and answers: Let me start with the big one - the government shutdown
and is there going to be an RTR? Let me tell you everything I know so that you know everything I
know. The field office where we're holding the women's rubber trap rendezvous
called and said “You've got your permit. You're set. This is not going to affect you. “.
The RTR is actually in the field office of a different district
region of the BLM in Arizona and so we're dealing with different people for
the RTR. We do not communicate well and they're not allowed to do that kind of official
business during the shutdown so we haven't heard anything from them. I'm
nearly certain it's exactly the same situation as the WRT and we've heard
officially that it's on so I'm going to assume that it's exactly the same thing
and everything will be okay. That's the best I can tell right now, so,yes
we're proceeding full speed ahead
An announcement I need to make is that that we are going to
continue the caravans after the RTR .We need caravan leaders if you're at all
interested in a caravan leader contact me [email protected]
We would like to have a female only caravan so we're definitely looking for female
leaders so please let me know if you are interested in that also
Jude wanted me to announce that we now have plenty of volunteers.
There's only entrance in and out, well, it's not the only entrance in and out there are
other ways you go out on Mitchell Mine Road. Last year we had 5,000 people. Add the
south part where the music camp was with three
thousand people in there and with only one entrance and exit. It wasn't a problem
folks. I went and out of that entrance every day of the RTR and at most I waited
five minutes.
If there is an emergency how are we all going to get out?
If there is an emergency we can all get out anywhere along the
Mitchell Mine Road that we need.
A youtuber found a way in. There are multiple
ways in. It's just a little berm there and any of the vans could jump that berm at
almost any place. The RVs would have a little harder time but
there are places where you could jump that burn and get out
But what he did was illegal. He drove out there on the land illegally
No one is ever allowed back there except for the RTR and that seems to confuse a lot
of people. We've been given a special recreation permit and that means we have
got a permit for this one time, this one period of time, this one event to change
the rules. We can go drive around out there we can go camp there. Those things we
can do.
This is not the rainy season. I've been coming to the Quartzite area in the
winter for ten years now and I have seen three flooding events in those ten years
and by a flooding event I mean there was water standing on the ground and
there was water flowing pretty rapidly down washes.
It's just it's extremely unlikely. It's never happened during the RTR.
It would take an enormous event to have any impact on us at all and there
will be plenty of warning. The BLM will come out and
say “Hey we got a big storm coming you may have to evacuate” That's the kind of
thing that is required that happens
Let's talk about permits
It's a great big desert folks. You don't have to camp right there at the
RTR. There's 14-day camping all around it
You can go outside the RTR and camp and be all alone
Where do we get my permit if I stay out in the 14-day land ?
Go to the regular check-in on Kuhn Road.
If you are going to the RTR too you need a permit so just come over
and get a permit from us. The big thing is
the BLM wants to know how many people were there and this is
the only way. If you come into the RTR you get a permit and then we'll all know
how many. I'm kind of curious to know myself. We're just throwing numbers around
that we think but we don't know.
Do you need a permit for just one
day. Yeah if you are there overnight.
I'd like to encourage you to leave the old Ecsapees Boomer location open for the big rigs.
The biggest rigs probably cannot get into the RTR site.
WRTR
If you happen to be in the area and would like to join us please feel welcome. We have
probably between a hundred to two hundred people already. We just asked that if
you come early that you go ahead and go about a quarter
mile down main that dirt road to the the Y which is main and Near East and go
ahead and camp beyond that because that area that's closer in we're currently
setting up and we have lots of things to do there that we don't want you to camp
there and then ask you and move
so we have lots of volunteers they are doing a marvelous marvelous job.
If you would like to come a day early and check in which basically
means getting your name button.
Beth is running that button booth and she will be opening open at
ten o'clock in the morning until about 2:30 that afternoon.
Men are more than welcome. Friends that I have that are men are there and other
people's friends and partners are there. So feel free to come on in.
We just ask that you stay through the third only.
If you come in late during the WRTR, it's really the same process as if you
come in on time. you'll drive in you go past the handicapped area. Yu'll be past
the staff area you go past the porta-potties you'll go past the main
meeting circle and then you'll find a arge parking area that will fit up to
about 400 different rigs so go ahead and park there go ahead and then walk back
the way that you drove to the information center and that's where the
white shade tent will be. You can get your button and find out information
about where you want to camp and so forth.
Where can we donate to the RTR?
We have a couple ways that you can donate during the RTR
One is for cheap RV living specifically and we'll have a container both at the
RTR and at the WRTR for CRVL because both of them are events of cheap RV living and we'll also have containers for Homes on Wheels Alliance.
People want to donate directly to cheap RV living and that will be there as well .
Home on Wheels Alliance web page is homes on
wheels Alliance dot org and it's a org because it's a 501c3 nonprofit charity
and we are currently building it and we expected up sometime in January fully up
however you can go ahead and still donate there. There's a donate button
that will take you to PayPal.
Can children attend the RTR?
Yes there will be there. There won't be a lot but
there definitely will be children and they're welcome.
I would caution parents to really take a look at the topic of the
session that's being covered . For instance we do talk about safety for women
and sometimes in detail. Some of that information may not be good for
children to hear, so parents be cautious but yes, children are welcome.
Alcohol: What you're doing the privacy of your rig is 100% your decision.
It's none of our business but if you get drunk and you come out and
you're annoying then it becomes our problem, We're gonna have a conversation,
Well, we're not gonna have a conversation. We're going to call the BLM Rangers.
They're law enforcement officers and they're going to have a conversation
because I don't have any authority and I can't tell you what to do.
Marijuana: This is federal land and it's illegal to have marijuana. That's the bottom line
and they wanted us to tell you that so we are telling you that. We don't
know what that's going to mean. We don't know.
They're doing their due diligence for sure letting us
know what is legal and what is not legal. Just because you have a card doesn't
matter on federal land, a medical card means nothing on
federal land. They could still arrest you
ATVs are perfectly legal. It's public land.
We just ask you to e always be polite considerate
Don't make noise, don't kick up dust. We ask that for cars too.
ATVs are only allowed on the main road
where we're camping so you can't just go wandering around in the desert
on ATVs. That's not allowed anywhere.
I'm gonna vlog every day during the RTR and I'll upload that onto
the channel and let you know what's going on. We'll try and live stream
whenever we can.
For the WRTR and the women's meetings historically
we haven't had any photography or video or audio recording. The
reason is is that we wanted to create a safe space for women to talk about
whatever they felt like feel like talking about which is sometimes very
personal things without fearing that their image or what they said would
make it to the public space so we're asking people again not to take
photographs or video recordings or anything of the sessions however
if you're just with your friends feel okay
about you taking a picture of them.
If you just absolutely cannot have your picture on screen you might
reconsider coming right seriously because we tell everyone to be
considerate and thoughtful but it's it's out of our control and it's out of your
control. I have two or three different media crews that are
coming to make documentaries and they're gonna set the
camera up and it's gonna run. You walk behind it, they'll never notice you ,
you'll never notice them but there you are -you're on a documentary and we can't
control that .
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Catina
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My apologies if this has already been posted/addressed.. I couldn't find it anywhere.
Question: I only have a Dodge Grand Caravan (minivan). Will my modest vehicle be able to handle the rough terrain to even get into the RTR campground areas??
Question: I only have a Dodge Grand Caravan (minivan). Will my modest vehicle be able to handle the rough terrain to even get into the RTR campground areas??
Moxadox
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Yes. The roads are fine. You can get anywhere you need to go in your Grand Caravan. Those are great vans!
The Dire Wolfess
The Dire Wolfess
Roads in the BLM areas are generally just like the dirt roads that make up much of Arizona's road system. They for the most part are not much worse than most country home private driveways back east except better in most cases as rock and sand compact to form the road base instead of gravel and clay. Caution needs to be used if wet or pulling off the main track.
Catina said:
Welcome to the Caravan caravan. I'm in a Dodge Grand Caravan too. There is a dude parked a few hundred yards from me in a Dodge Grand Caravan. I think they are the best minivan to live in, with the most usable room inside.
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I was told I need to ask this.....
Do you have to signup for the seminars or just show up?
Thanks!
Do you have to signup for the seminars or just show up?
Thanks!
