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Almost There said:
Maybe before you go any further, sit down and truly ponder on what you can live with and what you can live without! Write it out on paper with all the pros' and cons' of each type/combination of possibilities.

If you're going to be full-timing, I really feel it's important that one have a style of living that doesn't make them feel deprived or shortchanged. Anything less than 'enough' will leave one unhappy to some degree or another. For short term living, you can get away with a lot less but the longer you plan on being out there, the more important having 'enough' becomes.

This is the wisest thing I've ever read/seen on this topic!! I'm very jealous!!

Were you always this wise or are they putting something "special" in the water up there. If so, I'm on my way!!!
Bob
 
akrvbob said:
This is the wisest thing I've ever read/seen on this topic!! I'm very jealous!!

Were you always this wise or are they putting something "special" in the water up there. If so, I'm on my way!!!
Bob


Deep bow!!

It's just that I'm special!!..... :D :D :p

My mother would have told you that I was 5 going on 45 so that makes me really, really, really old by now.... :angel:

Company is more than welcome at this point - just over 2 months left in my six month sentence... :rolleyes:
 
I got stuck on the very same issue you're having. I wanted a trailer I could stand up in and wanted it the same height as a cargo van. But, it wasn't possible. Placed a deposit on a 7x14 and then cancelled it after buying a used 2004 factory built travel trailer. Did this for two reasons, one I needed a quick place to stay while I did work on my house to get it done before winter and two to see how I liked towing one. I've done a lot of towing so didn't anticipate it being an issue and this one is about 3 1/2 feet taller than my pick up. Since using this the last few weeks it's helped me confirm I really like the space a trailer provides and the height issue is no longer bothering me. I'm thinking my ideal set up is going to be a van and cargo trailer so I can utilize the space in both and if I want I can do trips out of the van when I want to travel a bit lighter.
So all that being said, maybe you won't mind a trailer being a few inches taller than the tow vehicle when it comes down to it? Or is getting a taller tow vehicle an option? A combo of two vehicles? Maybe a box truck as others have done.....that's sort of having a trailer and vehicle all in one. It's very hard deciding exactly which route to go, so I can certainly empathize with your situation.
 
Almost There has very good advice as usual. Personally I wouldn't worry too much about the trailer being higher than the Escape. I tow a lot, and I always feel more comfortable when I'm towing trailers I can see around with the mirrors, so I understand the width issue. Unless the trailer has a flat front and is 3 - 5 feet higher than the tow vehicle, you probably won't notice if you go that route.

One other idea to consider - I remember you had some very good reasons for wanting to keep the Escape, but at one time you considered towing it with a small used class C motorhome. I'm wondering if once you consider all of Almost There's points you might find that as the best solution for you? It would undoubtedly cost more than $2000, but I think you could get a decent one for not a lot of money. Just an idea to throw out there.
 
Hi, So I just read your entire build thread on your little runaway trailer and based on everything you said in that thread, I don't think any trailer will suit you. It doesn't sound like you liked any aspect of towing one, and even if you were to get a bigger one that alleviated the inside space issues you were having, it's still going to have to be towed. I would re read that thread yourself, maybe remind yourself a little about the things you don't like about trailers. I did really enjoy the thread though, great little set up for the right person.

Having to shower and wash up outside also seemed to be one of your concerns. It sounds like a Class B or C might be your best choice. Could you rent one in your area to see if it might be a good option for you before committing to purchasing one?

Good Luck!

Matt
 
akrvbob said:
This is the wisest thing I've ever read/seen on this topic!! I'm very jealous!!

Were you always this wise or are they putting something "special" in the water up there. If so, I'm on my way!!!
Bob

My thoughts exactly. What she says is smooth and free flowing that cuts to the chase and  brings things to light for making this type of decision.  It is so good that maybe a sticky should be made with it. And as a suggestion, would you consider doing a blog post on this issue? I think there are others that maybe are or in the past making or made the same mistake of letting the tail wag the dog in choosing a suitable vehicle or living arrangement in this.

I sure am looking at things very differently now that I read those words of wisdom she wrote. It's almost like a weight was lifted off of me. I was too concerned with trying to conform myself with the lifestyle instead of (as she indirectly suggested) conforming the lifestyle to me.
 
ArtW said:
RE showers: have you seen Bob's post opn enigmatic Nomads of Sameer's setup? he figured out a way to havbe a shower inside his van

Yes I did Art, but that is way too tight for me. I need some space when I shower. I would have to contort a little to do that sort of arrangement, and I am getting to the age where this body needs to be handled a little more less stressful....shall we say. :p His setup is good, but it's just not suited for me.
Thanks for the suggestion though.
 
Every Road Leads Home said:
So all that being said, maybe you won't mind a trailer being a few inches taller than the tow vehicle when it comes down to it?  Or is getting a taller tow vehicle an option?  A combo of two vehicles? Maybe a box truck as others have done.....that's sort of having a trailer and vehicle all in one.  It's very hard deciding exactly which route to go, so I can certainly empathize with your situation.

Although having the extra height is required, because now I see that if I can't stand and move around comfortably I'm not going to be happy or content with that situation. And I just don't want to add any more height to the trailer. I don't want it anywhere close to the top of my vehicle. I am to the point where I will probably be pulling off the cargo trailer idea, because I can't reach a compromise on it to suit me.
But I do see your point and your suggestion is appreciated.
Thank you
 
masterplumber said:
One other idea to consider - I remember you had some very good reasons for wanting to keep the Escape, but at one time you considered towing it with a small used class C motorhome. I'm wondering if once you consider all of Almost There's points you might find that as the best solution for you? It would undoubtedly cost more than $2000, but I think you could get a decent one for not a lot of money. Just an idea to throw out there.
I think you are right in that I am probably going to try to steer in the direction of something with the amenities I need. A class C would fit that or a small A.
I think Bob made that suggestion  of towing the Escape at one time when I first started this whole "towing something with the Escape" fiasco I have been trying.
And just let me repeat....I do appreciate everyone's help in trying to make it work. I have had some very good ideas and advice. I think in the end maybe I approached this in the wrong way. But, I am not going to beat myself up over it, because just like you, everyone is giving me great suggestions on alternatives. And when I really look at it standing back, it's been kinda fun, and kept me going.
Thank you
 
Every Road Leads Home said:
Hi,  So I just read your entire build thread on your little runaway trailer and based on everything you said in that thread, I don't think any trailer will suit you.  It doesn't sound like you liked any aspect of towing one, and even if you were to get a bigger one that alleviated the inside space issues you were having, it's still going to have to be towed.  I would re read that thread yourself, maybe remind yourself a little about the things you don't like about trailers.  I did really enjoy the thread though, great little set up for the right person.

Having to shower and wash up outside also seemed to be one of your concerns.  It sounds like a Class B or C might be your best choice.  Could you rent one in your area to see if it might be a good option for you before committing to purchasing one?

Good Luck!

Matt

Yeah Matt, you are right towing anything aggravates me. I have been trying to make something work that deep down inside, doesn't for me. It's like trying to put a piece of a jigsaw puzzle where it doesn't go. I have pushed, twisted and turned it but it just doesn't fit. Thanks for the suggestion of rereading the post (which I have done), and yes, I can tell that I am not suited to the trailer-towing of anything.

I don't know about the B but a C or maybe even a small A might work. Even though I don't like towing something with a car, I had no problem at all with towing a car with the motor home I had. I guess it was that the mh was so much bigger and I never knew it was there, along with I didn't have to back it up with the car on it made the difference.
Thank you
 
29chico said:
Cargo trailer extra height options are usually sold in 6" increments.   A 5.5 foot height trailer would possibly make living in it much more comfortable.  There  is a small chance that you will regret getting a taller trailer.  Much bigger chance that you will regret not getting a taller one later.
My thoughts as well, and probably would put a regular size van out of the equation too. I need to be able to stand up in anything I would be using as a living and traveling abode.
 
I'm gonna step right in it and post a counter-point! I follow a blog called Bumfuzzle which currently is about a family of four that lived the past few years in an old 27' Dodge RV. Before that they lived on a sailboat, and before that an old VW bus. Currently, they have moved into an old Travelall station wagon with a roof top tent! They are planning on living in this new rig and making their way down through Mexico and South America. In one of his blog posts about making this change, Pat, the father, talked about comfort. I think his opinions on the topic are very worthwhile and in fact I have printed out the following section of that post, and I refer to it every time I start getting too hung up some aspect of the changes I am making. Here is the link to the blog post (http://www.bumfuzzle.com/comfortable/) and here is the quote I wish to share:

We’re going to miss the bus. We built a lot of great memories around it, and we’ll always have those. But we know there are a million more things to do and see, and this bus wasn’t the right vehicle to take us where we want to go now. We’re excited, and ready, to climb into the Travelall and set off for new horizons again.

There was some talk in the comments recently about comfort. That we wouldn’t be comfortable as a family of four traveling the way we are planning. No bathroom, no kitchen, etc.. If we’ve talked in person in the past few years then you can probably skip this part, because you’ve likely heard it before, but I really believe that comfort is the killer of dreams.

“I have to have a catamaran because I don’t want to be up all night rolling back and forth.”

“We need the 35 footer because it has four slide-outs.”

“We have to have a king-size bed/air conditioning/ice/shower.”

Whatever. It all cost money, and it all cost time, and it all ends up costing people the ability to simply take off. I think 99% of the time they are just looking for excuses so that they can explain why they aren’t doing what they’ve always wanted to do.

Ali and I never talk about our comfort. It’s way down the list of concerns. We could all benefit from a little discomfort, I think. My parents grew up in homes with outhouses and no running water. They shared beds with their siblings. They slept four or more to a room. And yet, that same generation has grown up to believe that they need/deserve every convenience known to man, at all times. That everyone needs their own bedroom. That air conditioning is a necessity, not a convenience. Nobody wants a car they need to work on. Nobody wants to change their own oil. Nobody even wants to wash their own car any more. It all just starts to seem completely crazy to me. Everyone wants to stay shut-up at home because it’s comfortable there.

I hate being comfortable. After a couple weeks of it I feel itchy, overweight, and pale. My feet are tapping. I watch the calendar and actually care what day it is. I want to hit the road. I want to get lost, and run out of gas. I want to get stuck in the sand. I want to break down and have to solve a dirty problem. I want to sleep in a tent on the roof of my car. And I want to do all of this with my kids and my wife. I want the kids to see that life is about a lot more than being comfortable. You can be dirty, you can sleep on a hard bed, you can sweat, and you can go to the bathroom behind a tree. Life will go on.

Does that mean we’ll never be comfortable? Of course not. We’ll stay in hotels. We’ll rent apartments. We’ll eat in air-conditioned restaurants. We’ll still get plenty of comfort. We just won’t get it every day. We won’t treat it like it is our right. We don’t deserve comfort, we earn it—and when we get it, it’s that much more enjoyable.
 
^Wow, thanks for posting this. I will def be following this family from here on out. Such valid points so many of us lose sight of from time to time, myself included.
 
Drewskers said:
I'm gonna step right in it and post a counter-point! I follow a blog called Bumfuzzle which currently is about a family of four that lived the past few years in an old 27' Dodge RV. Before that they lived on a sailboat, and before that an old VW bus. Currently, they have moved into an old Travelall station wagon with a roof top tent! They are planning on living in this new rig and making their way down through Mexico and South America. In one of his blog posts about making this change, Pat, the father, talked about comfort. I think his opinions on the topic are very worthwhile and in fact I have printed out the following section of that post, and I refer to it every time I start getting too hung up some aspect of the changes I am making. Here is the link to the blog post (http://www.bumfuzzle.com/comfortable/) and here is the quote I wish to share:

We’re going to miss the bus. We built a lot of great memories around it, and we’ll always have those. But we know there are a million more things to do and see, and this bus wasn’t the right vehicle to take us where we want to go now. We’re excited, and ready, to climb into the Travelall and set off for new horizons again.

There was some talk in the comments recently about comfort. That we wouldn’t be comfortable as a family of four traveling the way we are planning. No bathroom, no kitchen, etc.. If we’ve talked in person in the past few years then you can probably skip this part, because you’ve likely heard it before, but I really believe that comfort is the killer of dreams.

“I have to have a catamaran because I don’t want to be up all night rolling back and forth.”

“We need the 35 footer because it has four slide-outs.”

“We have to have a king-size bed/air conditioning/ice/shower.”

Whatever. It all cost money, and it all cost time, and it all ends up costing people the ability to simply take off. I think 99% of the time they are just looking for excuses so that they can explain why they aren’t doing what they’ve always wanted to do.

Ali and I never talk about our comfort. It’s way down the list of concerns. We could all benefit from a little discomfort, I think. My parents grew up in homes with outhouses and no running water. They shared beds with their siblings. They slept four or more to a room. And yet, that same generation has grown up to believe that they need/deserve every convenience known to man, at all times. That everyone needs their own bedroom. That air conditioning is a necessity, not a convenience. Nobody wants a car they need to work on. Nobody wants to change their own oil. Nobody even wants to wash their own car any more. It all just starts to seem completely crazy to me. Everyone wants to stay shut-up at home because it’s comfortable there.

I hate being comfortable. After a couple weeks of it I feel itchy, overweight, and pale. My feet are tapping. I watch the calendar and actually care what day it is. I want to hit the road. I want to get lost, and run out of gas. I want to get stuck in the sand. I want to break down and have to solve a dirty problem. I want to sleep in a tent on the roof of my car. And I want to do all of this with my kids and my wife. I want the kids to see that life is about a lot more than being comfortable. You can be dirty, you can sleep on a hard bed, you can sweat, and you can go to the bathroom behind a tree. Life will go on.

Does that mean we’ll never be comfortable? Of course not. We’ll stay in hotels. We’ll rent apartments. We’ll eat in air-conditioned restaurants. We’ll still get plenty of comfort. We just won’t get it every day. We won’t treat it like it is our right. We don’t deserve comfort, we earn it—and when we get it, it’s that much more enjoyable.
 This is all well and good.....but wait til he gets to be 65 with a back that is prone to get achy when you sleep on a hard bed for a night......hell....even an hour. I need a comfortable bed. And that vehicle breaking down or getting stuck in the sand??? I can't imagine myself crawling under a vehicle to repair it, or change the oil or do anything that would involving stooping down for an extended time to work on it. Much less...than trying to push it out of the sand. My back would be out for a month!!!!
 And, I just can't imagine sleeping on the roof of any vehicle. I want my bed "no higher than" 3 feet off the ground or floor. Sleep in a tent? I want my bed "at least" 3 feet off the ground or floor!!

Here's the way I look at it. I live in modern times with things like flush toilets, nice hot showers whenever I want one, in a clean bathroom, central heat and cooling (I would like to see how this guy does in Florida during the summer without AC!!!! OMG), refrigerators to keep ice cream, meats, and all other perishables fresh, TV, cell phone, computers, and the list goes on and on... to make my life comfortable. There is no way in hell I am going to go live in a car "fulltime" like this person is and give up all my comforts permanently. And do it with a family of 4 in one vehicle that has under 50 sq foot?? That vehicle is going to start stinking in no time. That is not a healthy situation. This is one reason why I ditched the idea of the cargo trailer.
I have done it myself for a month before and was not a happy person for it. Sure, I can do it for a novelty, but I would not make it my lifestyle unless I was forced to from circumstances beyond my control. Then I would be able to to do it no problem. But I would be searching for something more comfortable.

I can do the exact same thing he and his family are doing and visit the same places they do without having to live that sort of difficult, dirty, and miserable (to me) existence and still come back to normal, comfortable, living conditions.

I don't know why you would have to shun and deprive yourself of all the modern conveniences of a modern advanced society to be able to go see nature, mountains, deserts, oceans, rivers, historical places, and all the other things that are wonderful in this country of ours.
You don't have to do that!!!!! All you have to do is just take some time (a few days, a week, or a month), get in your vehicle and drive to wherever you want to visit. Stay a few days, a week or a month, and return to your comfortable home with it's modern conveniences to make your life pleasant and healthy.

You need exercise? Get in your car and go to a nice park in your city and walk, run, or ride your bike. EVERY town I have ever been (and I have been in lots and lots of them) has always had many parks and nature areas within or just a few miles away.

"YOU DON'T HAVE TO OWN THE COW TO DRINK THE MILK" :D

I hope we are not getting too far from the subject of the cargo trailer length decision. So let me ad that a cargo trailer would not be suited for me as a full time living vehicle. I have come to the idea that I really just don't like towing anything.
 
Having towed airstreams cargo trailers and assorted travel trailers, when you know WTF your doing it is a breeze. length does open the box a bit more space to fill heavier and if not loaded right could be a accident waiting to happen.
 
Okay, then, coming back directly to the subject of cargo trailers, I would like to relate the following true story. In the fall of 2014 I was camped in one of the campgrounds in Bryce National Park. The second day I was there, I came back from to camp late in the afternoon and the campsite next to me was occupied by a small cargo trailer. I was curious to see who the owner would be and what they were towing with. Lo and behold, that evening a tiny little Ford Focus backed up to the trailer. Further my astonishment when a very old gentleman got out of the driver's seat and a slightly younger lady got out of the passenger side. Later I was to learn the old gentleman was 95 years old and his younger girlfriend was a mere 82! (And she sported a beautiful mane of silver hair braided into a long ponytail). They were out to see the sites in Utah and were having a fine time! He showed me his cargo trailer,  10' cab length and 13' overall length and a single wide door at the back. He had build a very basic bed platform from 2x4's and plywood, threw a full size mattress on it, and a couple of heavy wool blankets. Under the bed were water jugs, cooking equipment, ice cooler, food and firewood. Nothing fancy in this rig, nothing at all. And let me just say, that pair was having a great time! I thought I was "roughing it" in my 13' A-frame trailer and hulking 4Runner - at age 60! They gave me a real serious pause for thinking.

What really cracked me up is what this couple ate, eggs & bacon in the morning with copious amounts of Swiss Miss, hot dogs and soup at night! Just like when I was in Boy Scouts! And they were laughing like little kids ALL THE TIME! Nary a sign of a stiff back or any other complaint. He kept the campfire going, she cooked, they both did dishes.

Fast forward a couple of months to Death Valley were I camped next to a younger couple - around my age, hah! Camped in a big new well-equipped class-something-or-another van conversion. They fought all the time and there was a very uncomfortable vibe emanating from that camp.

Just some food for thought!
 
Drewskers said:
Okay, then, coming back directly to the subject of cargo trailers, I would like to relate the following true story. In the fall of 2014 I was camped in one of the campgrounds in Bryce National Park. The second day I was there, I came back from to camp late in the afternoon and the campsite next to me was occupied by a small cargo trailer. I was curious to see who the owner would be and what they were towing with. Lo and behold, that evening a tiny little Ford Focus backed up to the trailer. Further my astonishment when a very old gentleman got out of the driver's seat and a slightly younger lady got out of the passenger side. Later I was to learn the old gentleman was 95 years old and his younger girlfriend was a mere 82! (And she sported a beautiful mane of silver hair braided into a long ponytail). They were out to see the sites in Utah and were having a fine time! He showed me his cargo trailer,  10' cab length and 13' overall length and a single wide door at the back. He had build a very basic bed platform from 2x4's and plywood, threw a full size mattress on it, and a couple of heavy wool blankets. Under the bed were water jugs, cooking equipment, ice cooler, food and firewood. Nothing fancy in this rig, nothing at all. And let me just say, that pair was having a great time! I thought I was "roughing it" in my 13' A-frame trailer and hulking 4Runner - at age 60! They gave me a real serious pause for thinking.

What really cracked me up is what this couple ate, eggs & bacon in the morning with copious amounts of Swiss Miss, hot dogs and soup at night! Just like when I was in Boy Scouts! And they were laughing like little kids ALL THE TIME! Nary a sign of a stiff back or any other complaint. He kept the campfire going, she cooked, they both did dishes.

Fast forward a couple of months to Death Valley were I camped next to a younger couple - around my age, hah! Camped in a big new well-equipped class-something-or-another van conversion. They fought all the time and there was a very uncomfortable vibe emanating from that camp.

Just some food for thought!
Well, that is a nice story. And I am sure they were enjoying a carefree adventure. I am tempted to go back to the cargo trailer idea when I read a success story like this, but I am just not sure if I want to stick with the idea of a cargo trailer. And since I have started rethinking the idea there are more things that make  going the CT route even more negative for me. I am not sure I want to put out the initial investment of probably At least $2,500 for the trailer with the brakes added, windows etc, etc. Then towing it will restrict me when traveling at times getting in and out of places. I hate backing up with one, when traveling it will cut down on my mpg, I can only get a 5x10 at most because of the restrictions of my tow vehicle that I am stuck with right now because it is upside down in negative equity and I can't really trade up to something bigger.
So right now, I am in limbo with things. I am at a standstill. I may be overthinking this, as I tend to do that (overthinking things) sometimes.
Thank you for sharing this
Thank you
 
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