This whole "domicile" business is starting to make my head hurt

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Crow said:
If you keep your vehicle registered with a Travis county address you still have to get the vehicle emissions test with the annual inspection.   The counties that Livingston and Wichita Falls are in don't require emissions testing.   Could be a future PITA avoided.

It looks like the age of the car also influences what type of test you have to take. Since I'm probably going to be in a mid-2000s Toyota Sienna, I'd have to pass an ODBII test -- not just once, but year after year until (sooner or later) somebody tells me I have to either fork over $1000 for a new catalytic converter or stay off the road. There's no way I could be that lucky guy who just needs to replace the gas cap....
 
The tax authorities are auctioning houses that have been claimed for back taxes. They still want to collect the back taxes.

They use the auction for an arms length transaction and an openly determined price. Less chance for collusion and corruption.

The winning bidder gets the privilege of paying those back taxes.
 
Just thought I'd throw this in here:


Distinctions Between Domicile and Residence

Domicile is a person’s permanent place of dwelling.  It is a legal relationship between a person and a locality.  It may or may not be of same meaning as the term ‘residence’.

The concept of domicile has different meanings in different context.  For purposes of jurisdiction, “domicile” means a legal residence which is the place where a person has fixed dwelling with an intention of making it his/her permanent home.

Domicile is a combination of two factors namely, residence and intent to remain.  As the term domicile includes residence, the scope and significance of the term domicile is larger than the term residence.  An individual may have several residences whereas; s/he will have only one domicile.  Domicile is more used in reference to personal rights, duties and obligations[ii].

Generally residence is referred to a place, where one person lives.  It is also a building used as home.  Residence is of a more temporary nature compared to domicile.  An individual’s present physical location of stay is residence[iii].  It may be one among several places where a person may be present.  Residence can also be referred to a person’s fixed place of stay without any intention to move from there.

Domicile involves intent of an individual whereas, residence is something objective.  A person may have his/her residence in one place and his/her domicile in another[iv].

Whether the term ‘residence’ used in a statute will be construed as having the meaning of ‘domicile’, or vice versa, depends on the purpose of the statute.  Also, the nature of the subject matter as well as the context in which the term is used would be taken into consideration[v].

The terms are given equivalent meaning when used in connection with subjects of domestic policy.  These terms are given equal meaning where a statute stipulates residence as a qualification for the enjoyment of a privilege or the right of voting in an election[vi].

Residency is a more flexible concept than domicile, and permanency is not a requirement for residency.  Even a temporary and transient place of dwelling can qualify as residence. In addition, a minor is legally unable to establish a residence separate and apart from their parents[vii].

Residence takes meaning from the context in the term is found.  A definition which fits one situation will not be apt when used in another context or in a different sense[viii].

Snyder v. McLeod, 971 So. 2d 166 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 5th Dist. 2007).

[ii] McIntosh v. Maricopa County, 73 Ariz. 366 (Ariz. 1952).

[iii] George Zulakis, Personal Representative of the Estate of Charles M. Decker v. Auto-owners ins. Co., 2001 Mich. App. LEXIS 1874 (Mich. Ct. App. Nov. 20, 2001).

[iv] Missouri Pacific R. Co. v. Lawrence, 215 Ark. 718, 223 S.W.2d 823, 12 A.L.R.2d 748 (1949).

[v] McIntosh v. Maricopa County, 73 Ariz. 366 (Ariz. 1952).

[vi] Id.

[vii] McLeod v. Allstate Ins. Co., 789 So. 2d 806 (Miss. 2001).

[viii] State v. Tustin, 322 S.W.2d 179, 180 (Mo. App. 1959).



What is a voting residence and why is it important?


Your voting residence is within your State of legal residence or domicile. It is the true, fixed address that you consider your permanent home and where you had a physical presence. Your State of legal residence is used for State income tax purposes, and determines eligibility to vote for federal and State elections and qualification for in-state tuition rates.
State of legal residence and voting residence is sometimes mistaken for home of record. While your voting residence may be the same as your home of record at the beginning of your military career, if you change your legal residence or domicile at any point you also need to update your voting residence.
To claim a new legal residence or domicile, consult your legal counsel or military legal assistance office, as there may be other factors to consider, such as tax implications.

Good article imo:  https://axleaddict.com/rvs/Full-Time-RVingHow-to-Establish-State-Residency


Another's blogger's thoughts:  http://jalopnik.com/how-to-get-residency-in-a-state-when-you-live-in-your-v-1694736427
 
Ballenxj said:
Can't you just leave your physical address alone and use a P.O.Box as your mailing address?

That was my first thought, only substituting a mail forwarding service with a street address for a P.O. box. But then I started thinking about what happens if I get busted by the DMV, banks etc. for falsely claiming my former physical address as my current one, and they decide that the mail forwarding address won't cut it. License revoked? Accounts frozen? Boogiemen consuming my soul? (OK, maybe not the last one.)
 
Granchan I think you've lived in Travis County too long.  I live in Lubbock County and I have a physical address and a local UPS type mailbox that I've had for over 12 years and I vote, register my truck and buy insurance.  I was up front with my insurance agent and he has no problem with it.  He even knows I live fulltime in my TT.  At some point in time I plan to move my residence and domicile to my daughter's house in Idaho.  But right now I'm doing what you want to do and I live in Texas too.
 
closeanuf said:
Granchan I think you've lived in Travis County too long.  I live in Lubbock County and I have a physical address and a local UPS type mailbox that I've had for over 12 years and I vote, register my truck and buy insurance.  I was up front with my insurance agent and he has no problem with it.  He even knows I live fulltime in my TT.  At some point in time I plan to move my residence and domicile to my daughter's house in Idaho.  But right now I'm doing what you want to do and I live in Texas too.

Good to know. Which address do you use on your drivers license? I've heard some folks say you can use an Escapees or other mail-forwarding address, while others say it has to be your own bricks-and-sticks address.
 
ganchan said:
Good to know. Which address do you use on your drivers license? I've heard some folks say you can use an Escapees or other mail-forwarding address, while others say it has to be your own bricks-and-sticks address.

Why don't you call the phone number on the Escapee's web site and get the straight answer right from the horse's mouth?

And btw, while Escapees used to be primarily an organization of full time retired people, they are making a major effort to accommodate younger people who are trying to work on the road.  They call that group Xcapers, but it's still the same organization.
 
Arpisme: “Sounds like the vandwelling community needs a "co-op" of sorts. One that a group of people put money into to obtain a small house or apartment so they all have a home base address to satisfy the bureaucrats, a place to store some stuff and a place to crash for a bit when they're not wandering. Would be easy to keep in touch with each member (cell phones) and you'd know when the place is available or not. You could even have a "caretaker" live there by offering cheap rent or ? so there is someone there all the time. Jus' thinkin' out loud. There's gotta be a way to do it!”
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DannyB: “A while back this topic came up. Buy land or RV park and sell / rent them to CRVL members. It went nowhere as soon as all the realities were considered. Little things like who is going to pay for it. How do you discipline people who want to trash the place when they own the land that they are on. Who is going to pay for the management, etc. You will need rules like HOA's have. The question is who is going to follow them? And when they don't, what do you do.”

One person would probably have to buy the land, and if it became too much of a headache, they could simply close it down, and no one would really be worse off than they were before. If I won the lottery (unlikely), I would do this in several places. You wouldn’t need to set up the rules like an HOA – more like a regular RV park. And don’t get a HOV-mentality martinet as manager.

When people arrive (maybe CRVL members, specifically), they sign an agreement to basic common sense rules. Maybe a refundable cash deposit for X number of visits, and after that they’re ‘qualified’ at all of these ‘parks’. Maybe have a time-limit at each site, but it would be okay to move from one ‘company’ location to another.

While access to potable water would be nice, you wouldn’t really need any dumps -- they have to leave BLM and FS land to dump, so this would be incentive to keep their rigs operating, and not have them grow roots like the people at Slab City. If they’re troublemakers, simply refuse re-entry when they try to return. Maintain a private Do Not Accept database list of trashy people (and their rigs), available at all associated sites.

*** And the members should refrain from telling every SOB piece of wandering trash they meet about the place(s) *** In fact, maybe references could be a requirement; if someone was telling every idiot they met, ban them from entry, too.

p.s. Back in the Byzantium days (c. 657 BC), they maintained a very stable economy. When a man wanted to be a banker, he needed several references from other bankers to be considered. Then he had to take an oath that he would not adulterate the gold and silver coins (like the Romans did) or cheat people, and if he did, he would agreed to have one of his hands cut off, in addition to being kicked out of the system. The Byzantium economy lasted for 800 years because they wouldn’t tolerate the greedy idiocy that is in play today (on all levels). I don’t think anyone could get away with cutting off hands (*sigh*), but operating a camp founded on references and basic decency would go a long way toward creating stability.
 
I personally think that since the Post Office Box addresses no longer qualify and pop up in their computers as a non-valid address...that the mail-forwarding service businesses are also being entered and will kick back as well... but all of this depends upon how this administration handles the Patriot Act.

The previous administration was doing it's best to make everyone have a physical structure (non-mobile) as a home (for control/surveillance). (I think Congress put the kabash to that quickly.)
 
The Escapees have their own post office and every address IS considered a physical address, at least this was the way it was when I joined several years ago, but please just call Rainbow's end to check. It is a mail service but escapees have been working with federal, state, county and local governments for years and voice their concerns with thousands of votes. They make what you want to do work and do it well in the state you are in.
 
The address on my DL is my physical address at the rv park I live in.  I just tell the DPS I do not get mail there and give them my personal mailbox address.  I've renewed it twice doing this.  Last time I renewed my DL online and it was delivered to my PMB last March.
 
A long time ago I was amazed at some of the work around's for this question that was spelled out in a Library Book titled, "Roll Your Own". The author spoke of which states were best to register in to avoid the domicile question and many other solutions. But that was some time ago.

I've been here at CRVL for awhile now and it is still being discussed and I'm imagining a type of Business solution for those who serve the RV industry that could help this considerably. I'd just have to write some letters. What's really needed just doesn't seem to exist and with this lifestyle growing as it is some entrepreneur may step up in time with a franchise solution.

In the meanwhile I found this site interesting and informative regarding spelling out what life will be like for a new Full Timer:

Full-time RV Tips – Mail, Domicile, Insurance, Saving Money!

http://roadslesstraveled.us/full-time-rv/
 
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