The Girlsroom explained???

[wagoneer]

I think we long time posters get the exclusion factor, no problem because when I imagine having a boys/mensroom conjures up unpleasant odors/ messy floors and grafitti. No thanks.

 

[seak]

I think that maybe women just get tired of hearing guys 'splain stuff to them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drGx7JkFSp4Sisters Are Doin' It for Themselves (video)

 

[DannyB1954]

I once went to where it says today's post. I read something that Bob Wells said and responded to it. Turns out he made his post in the women's only section, so guess where my reply went.
It would be better if during registration you made your sex known and then the board could keep men out of women's section and vice versa. As it is now, if there was a men's section, you know sooner or later a guy would say something that would not go over well with women reading it.

 

[DannyB1954]

if there was a men's section, you know sooner or later a guy would say something that would not go over well with women reading it.

It has been a while since I have been here. I see that there is a Men's room now.

 

[SoulRaven]

Being "pc", it is "The Women's Forum". This thread will probably be taken down, but the subject does keep coming up. As a female, I rarely post there as a matter of principal, so I know what some of the males are saying and understand it certainly when one doesn't notice it is the women's forum and goes into detail about an issue that they could help out with IF they were not a male. Bob has addressed this, and it is his website = The Women's Forum Explained. I'll take help/info/advice from anyone with something to offer.

 

[Sunny1]

[I think part of the reason we have the girls room is that some of us have been treated like we are stupid or insignificant when we asked questions or made observations.  I quit posting questions and ideas a long time ago for that reason.

 

[cyndi]

If you read a post in the Womens' forum and you think you have information that could help start a thread in the appropriate forum with the same subject. Or send a PM

 

[SoulRaven]

Perhaps, because I grew up with a brother, raised 2 sons and worked in a couple of male dominated occupations that I view things differently. Oh, 2 husbands in the mix also. It takes me about 2 seconds to correct male or female who treat me as stupid or insignificant, but if I always avoided the confrontation, not sure where that would have went.

Online, it is impossible to really know what the knowledge and experience is of others. I know quite a bite about RVs, and I have no way of knowing what the person asking a question already knows, so I try to make it basic and maybe they are thinking "How stupid does she think I am?" For me, just tell me everything you know about what the general topic I am asking about, and I'll take what I need and discard the rest, not wonder if you think I am stupid as, frankly, I don't care one way or the other what someone that doesn't know me thinks. I think that tends to be a forum issue when someone tries to help. Maybe it is too much info, maybe not possible, but the poster is trying to help, has spend time posting, "Thank you." and move on. Life is short.

Yes, in all honesty, I realize as a female, I would most likely not be a fit for Bob's group when it came to physical presence. Lots of other choices.

 

[wagoneer]

Oh contrare, Bob's group? What I know about you is all positive. I don't know what Bobs "group" is and don't really care. it's called moving on and I think you get that.

 

[Sunny1]

Perhaps, because I grew up with a brother, raised 2 sons and worked in a couple of male dominated occupations that I view things differently.  Oh, 2 husbands in the mix also.  It takes me about 2 seconds to correct male or female who treat me as stupid or insignificant, but if I always avoided the confrontation, not sure where that would have went.  

Online, it is impossible to really know what the knowledge and experience is of others.  I know quite a bite about RVs, and I have no way of knowing what the person asking a question already knows, so I try to make it basic and maybe they are thinking "How stupid does she think I am?"  For me, just tell me everything you know about what the general topic I am asking about, and I'll take what I need and discard the rest, not wonder if you think I am stupid as, frankly, I don't care one way or the other what someone that doesn't know me thinks.   I think that tends to be a forum issue when someone tries to help.  Maybe it is too much info, maybe not possible, but the poster is trying to help, has spend time posting, "Thank you." and move on.  Life is short.

Yes, in all honesty, I realize as a female, I would most likely not be a fit for Bob's group when it came to physical presence.  Lots of other choices.

Ha!  That helps explain a lot about perspectives.  I am the oldest of 6 girls, no brothers.  Sometimes men are really hard for me to understand--including hubby!  Thanks for the input.

 

[frater secessus]

I see that there is a Men's room now.

Hey Danny.  I was just thinking about you earlier in the week.

If there is a Men's room I don't see it.  Maybe I don't have enough testosterone to qualify.

 

[frater secessus]

... some of us have been treated like we are stupid or insignificant when we asked questions or made observations.

Seems to me that people (in general) do that to people (in general).

My kneejerk reaction to the labeling of "mansplaining" is to stop "splaining" and let folks sort out their own predicament. [I just remembered my mother used to tell my sister,  "If you don't like the way I cook you can make your own d__n food."] 

There are asses who will talk down to others as a power play; those folks aren't fixable.  Normally however folks will respond appropriately to signals about how much the asker already knows/understands and what they have already tried.   Absent those signals, the answering party has to guess the asker's level of understanding on the matter and their efforts to date.  Sometimes that doesn't end well, with hurt feelings and the answerer accused of 'splaining (too simple) or spewing technical mumbo-jumbo (too exact).

 

[wagoneer]

When I was 15 years old I bought a 1953 plymouth for 30 dollars of my hard earned money, it was a ex yellow cab with over 300k miles I bought a can of pink paint and a brush I cut the steering wheel like an airlpane style, spent hours doing really dumb stuff, in short that 30 dollars and the fact that I could not afford a mechanic on a paperboy salery engaged me to do all my own. In short, lessons learned by self doing are the building blocks of becoming aware of your short comings and advancing your knowledge of your abilities and non abilities. OK no more preaching.

 

[rm.w/aview]

I think we long time posters get the exclusion factor, no problem because when I imagine having a boys/mensroom conjures up unpleasant odors/ messy floors and grafitti. No thanks.

/\ /\ /\ The title & this op is about restrooms? Exclusion factor understood and accepted, though there may be some helpful information there that I'll never see unless a link is shared.

Being "pc", it is "The Women's Forum". This thread will probably be taken down, but the subject does keep coming up. As a female, I rarely post there as a matter of principal, so I know what some of the males are saying and understand it certainly when one doesn't notice it is the women's forum and goes into detail about an issue that they could help out with IF they were not a male.

^^I would appreciate the Women's Forum alot more if that's the only place the Women Folk could post...


/\ /\ /\ Agreeing with the matter of principal, this male has not visited the Women's Forum assuming that it's there for a reason.

 

[Wabbit]

...but the poster is trying to help, has spend time posting, "Thank you." and move on. Life is short...

I liked the whole post, but really liked this part. Great attitude to have!

 

[Sunny1]

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There are asses who will talk down to others as a power play; those folks aren't fixable.  Normally however folks will respond appropriately to signals about how much the asker already knows/understands and what they have already tried.   Absent those signals, the answering party has to guess the asker's level of understanding on the matter and their efforts to date.  Sometimes that doesn't end well, with hurt feelings and the answerer accused of 'splaining (too simple) or spewing technical mumbo-jumbo (too exact).
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Thanks for your post.  I don't deal well with asses.  Am working hard on growing a thicker skin! 

There have been posters who have gone out of their way to explain things in a way I can understand, and I really appreciate them.

 

[SoulRaven]

In a forum where there is supposed to be a spirit of sharing, where all people are welcome and there is to be no judgement, segregation doesn't seem to fit, yet............ The more political the forum becomes, the more likely a member will be labeled. Isn't political? Yes, it most certainly is, and becomes more so every day.

 

[Dingfelder]

Two possibly contrary takes on the subject:

1. You need to grow a thick skin on the internet, man or woman or trans or whatever the future may bring, or it will be virtually impossible for you to find the good things in it, which are essentially infinite. Why miss out? Fear? I get it, but part of life's mission is getting that under control so you can enjoy yourself regardless. We can't change reality, but we can change our attitude toward it.

Venturing out into the internet takes guts and doesn't always work out well, but it will be as impossible to make it safe on the internet as it is in the whole rest of the world. The attempt, however well intended, is futile. The only true solution is to grow a thick enough skin so that you can move through the world and take your lumps with the rest of us. It's like romance ... Been hurt? Me too. Welcome to the club. It's called the human race. Come join us! There's plenty of room for you. Try not to let yourself get too brittle or fragile, because that never works out well.

P.S.: Man or woman, young or old, superstar or schmoe, being brittle or fragile can also make you a pain in the butt. You don't want people to roll their eyes when they see you coming or feel they must live on tiptoe because the prince or princess came in the room. Buck up! And catch up.

2. Assuming the fragility of anyone is patronizing and infantilizes them. I don't see the need for anyone to patronize or infantilize women or for them to patronize or infantilize themselves. It seems to me that's taking a giant step backwards.

I'm sure it can feel comforting. You've got a private space and can drown out some noise. But even for those that may need it at some particular time, I hope you will come out and freely join everyone else in a community of mutual respect and friendship, and as soon as possible - whether it be on this or any forum, or out anywhere and everywhere else in the world.

 

[tripper]

It has been a while since I have been here. I see that there is a Men's room now.

Where? :huh:

 

[Theiznezz]

I went and read that forum once and I will never go back ?