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mpruet

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Well, I finally got around to reading the "Money" section of CRVL.  I am not in the position that a lot of people are that are members of this group.  I was very fortunate to have been born of parents who instilled a lot of financial knowledge in me when I was young and learned very early the importance of making a portion of whatever money I earned work for me.  Adding to that, I was fortunate to have been able to have a career in which I earned more than enough to live comfortably on.  Since the cost of my needs were always less than my earnings I was able to build a rather nice nestegg which now more than sustains my retirement.  I also give a lot of money to charity - food banks, habitat for humanity, etc. I'm not bragging, but just pointing out that I am in a much better position than a lot of the folks who read and post in this group. 

One thing that constantly amazes me is how similar the suggestions that Bob has made in the "Money" section are to the same suggestions that Dave Ramsey makes in his "Baby Steps". 

1) Avoid debt - especially credit card debt. 

Centuries ago it was written in the Bible that "The debtor is slave to the lender." That old piece of wisdom is still so true.  If you are in debt, then you are not free to spend all of your future earnings as you want.  You have already spent it.  You have no control on it.

2) Use cash for all purchases.

This prevents you from going into credit card debt - which is the most expensive debt there is.

3)  Budget, budget, budget

Bob recommends using an envelope system in which each category has a it's own envelope.  That method is also suggested by Dave Ramsey.

3) Always have an emergency fund.

Dave Ramsey often says something like - "Grandma used to always say to save for a rainy day.  Well I guarantee you 100% that at sometime it's gonna rain!"  How true - things happen.  The car breaks down.  You have an accident and need medical attention. etc.  If you don't have an emergency fund, then you're going to have to go into debt and that will put you back into bondage to your lender. 

4) Build back your emergency fund once you have to use it.

5) Plan for major purchases

Generally you know well in advance when a major purchase will need to happen. This should not be something that come from your emergency fund.  If you knew about it beforehand then it is not an emergency.  Money left over from the monthly budget can be used to fund the major purchases.   In financial terms this would be called a "sinking fund". 

I find it interesting that a lot of the basics of money that Bob Wells and Dave Ramsey says about personal finance are so similar.  I just thought that I'd point these similarities out.  I'm just grateful that I had these principles drummed into me by my parents and grandparents when I was a youth.
 
mpruet said:
I find it interesting that a lot of the basics of money that Bob Wells and Dave Ramsey says about personal finance are so similar.  I just thought that I'd point these similarities out.  I'm just grateful that I had these principles drummed into me by my parents and grandparents when I was a youth.

I noticed a similarity myself a couple of years ago.  Good advice is always good.  
Good for your parents and grandparents. 

Pat
 
love that you credit your M&D...
i try to pay cash for everything. saving for something gives the goal more weight and makes the reward sweeter.
i do have a mortgage, but went for a 10 year one and its almost paid off....that was my investment plan. sale of house will set up my retirement/nomad lifestyle.
in the meantime, saving for a small TT :)
 
My Mother's dislike of revolving credit taught me to pay off my one credit card every month, which I have done my entire life. If you cannot control your credit card it will control you.
 
I just borrowed $6000 from my credit card company.
 
I don't want to preach, but credit card interest is usually above 20% so I hope you can pay back that loan pretty quickly.
 
I get 18 months free interest. To pay it off, I have to pay little over $330 a month. I get this from two credit card companies. When I get near the 18 months, I'll borrow what ever I owe from the other card company. The one I just borrowed from is Bank of America...
 
The funny part is we use one card for gas and the other one for grocery. We pay them off every month. I guess they're trying to hook me....
 
Five years ago 25K in debt, mortgage, health ins, (actually had none for two years even after a stent implant), barely making it month to month, took care of my wife who had health problems past 10-12 years. I was instilled good values too but bad luck
was worse than good learned values. But as I was selling things to get by I also was downsizing and here I am on the road full-timing with a small emergency fund, provided I don't live too long. 

So GoJo may had to borrow this. Credit cards saved me from bankruptcy but I always had low low interest and today my credit rating is quite high.
 
I'm not about to criticize how anyone deals with bad financial situations.  You have to do what you have to do.   My take on credit cards is that way too often people use them to purchase something that they feel that they have to have now whether that is true or not. More often than not budgeting and planning would have been a better choice.  The CC debt often gets them into trouble that they can never get out of. I am still a firm believer in having an emergency fund to deal with life's hiccups.  

I have a sister that racked up huge credit card debt.  Several years ago I got an LED TV for Christmas.  I called up my sister to offer her my older tube TV which was really a fine TV.  She told me that she had just bought a new LED TV because it was on sale.  She bought it on credit even though she already had a $10,000 CC debt and was paying 22% interest.  It took her 8 years before she could pay down her balance.  So because of the interest the purchase ended up costing over 3 times the original full price of the TV --- some 'big sale'...

Now let's take GoJo's situation.  What is going to happen if 1) they are not able to get a new CC after the time period, 2) if zero balance CC interest goes away, 3) if the CC companies catch on to the strategy that is being used and refuse a 0% loan, or 4) they encounter an emergency and the CC company doesn't allow a zero interest balance on anyone carrying a loan?  They would be hurting.  I personally would never let myself get into such a risky position.

However, like I said I know that people do what they have to do, but I personally think that taking on CC debt and not paying off the balance in full at the end of the month is highly risky and would be my least favorite solution.
 
ramblinbob said:
Five years ago 25K in debt, mortgage, health ins, (actually had none for two years even after a stent implant), barely making it month to month, took care of my wife who had health problems past 10-12 years. I was instilled good values too but bad luck
was worse than good learned values. But as I was selling things to get by I also was downsizing and here I am on the road full-timing with a small emergency fund, provided I don't live too long. 

So GoJo may had to borrow this. Credit cards saved me from bankruptcy but I always had low low interest and today my credit rating is quite high.

I've done this several times, last one was $8000 interest free.  Back in 2003 I bot a $12000 ford truck doing this. They would give you 3 years very low  interest, lower than the bank or dealer.
ramblinbob,  you're correct, about good credit rating. When I called the card company this last time, the lady told me I must have a go credit rating for the company leting me do this. It's a new one on me, never checked................
 
BTW, if I want to pay the loan off today, I could. Remember I have $6000..........
 
Just found out, I got another one by mail today from another card company. This one is 12 months interest free.
 
It’s not the interest that kills you. But people sure scream about that. What makes your life bad on credit cards is needing to pay it back, and live within your means, at the same time. Most can’t handle that.


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I agree.........I seen some use their credit cards as if it was a gift card. Oh saying, never borrow from your savings, because you'll never pay yourself back.
I am doing everything legal with the card situation. You need cash on hand in todays world. My wife's insurance has a $5000 deductible and who has that kind of cash on them, not me. Believe or not, she works for an insurance company (somethings wrong). While holding onto the cash, I can invest it.
I've had my credit card since the 1980s, so they have good records on me...
 
Goshawk said:
It’s not the interest that kills you. But people sure scream about that. What makes your life bad on credit cards is needing to pay it back, and live within your means, at the same time. Most can’t handle that.


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There is one other issue.  What is going to happen if you loose your source of income while carrying debt?  That is a risk that I wouldn't be willing to take.
 
I find the way the human mind works to be intriguing. We understand predictable events, but give little though to randomness. College is a narrative of the past, certainty. A degree earned me a degree didn't make me smarter. Few people can tell us what will happen next. Most of us didn't see the internet coming two years before it happened.

I see life as a random event. Of course, like fishing you have to show up prepared to catch a fish. But sometimes the fish aren't biting. Randomness has more to do with our success than our own best efforts. Predictability doesn't lead to opportunity, chaos does. It was better to buy stock in 1931 than 1929 before the big crash. Things that are predictable are easy to spot, those are the things that are fragile. Things that gain from disorder cannot be spotted until after the fact.

If evolution is true then violence (randomness) leads to beauty. Flowers are beautiful because they've been trying to attract bees for millions of years. The best at it won, their offspring is that which we admire. Although, we don't know much about randomness, it appears to cause danger to us in a discernible pattern.

Going through life in a predictable fashion, then a single unpredictable event happens. Most of us can handle a single event. But when a second or third event happens soon after our lives spiral out of control. In the Army, if an accident happened, I'd shut everything down and have a safety briefing. I would try to stop the situation from going convex. Convexity is the sloping down of a wave. Moving from predictable to unpredictable.

If you notice my username the bad part isn't because I'm not disciplined, it's because I believe in randomness.

My advice. A coin has three sides. Stay on the edge until you see how things play out. Don't follow the crowd (predictable). Embrace chaos.

If violence(chaos / randomness) leads to beauty and it beauty that I love. I hate the animal within myself. From spirituality I try to find love from within myself to love everything / everybody. I avoid vanity.

Women often sacrifice their lives, provide lots of unrecognized free labor, helping others. I love you. Thank you.
 
BadSaver said:
My advice. A coin has three sides. Stay on the edge until you see how things play out. Don't follow the crowd (predictable). Embrace chaos.

I love this post! I've always lived on the edge and beat myself up over it for not being more "disciplined." I tell myself I take "calculated" risks. Truth is, as you say, predictability is boring. Thanks for this.
 
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