Sine or Modified Sine Inverter?

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Sine or Modified Sine Inverter?

Have you run into any electrical problems using a modified sine wave inverter?
 
All depends on the need of the device(s) you're plugging into it
 
It didn't work with my nebulizer. I purchased a 12volt nebulizer so I can do my breathing treatments in my truck now.


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Always used msw no prob...nothing unusual
 
it also depends on the inverter. some cheap modified sine wave(MSW) inverters are actually square wave inverters and some MSW inverters are real close to a pure sine wave. before everybody gets all huffy I said some and close. I use a MSW and have not run into any problems. highdesertranger
 
I had a cheap 3000 watt PSW that was okay until I plugged a small A/C into it. It started it once and went nuts. Now I use a industrial MSW inverter that is clean enough for my electronics and heavy duty enough to start the A/C no sweat. It is rated for 1250w and can hold it's peak of 2500w for 10 minutes. It also has the ability to turn itself off if no load is calling for power. I know PSW is preferred but I need one with guts and that cost a lot more.
 
Yes, people paying $1000+ for a quality inverter apparently sized smaller than a $200 one aren't just throwing money away on a status symbol.
 
highdesertranger said:
it also depends on the inverter.  some cheap modified sine wave(MSW) inverters are actually square wave inverters and some MSW inverters are real close to a pure sine wave.  before everybody gets all huffy I said some and close.  I use a MSW and have not run into any problems.  highdesertranger

"I use a MSW and have not run into any problems."  Model and review please.
 
mine is a Galaxy 1200 MSW. it's so old that there's not even a web address in the owners manual. I don't know what you want me to review I have had it since the early 90's and it still works fine. it will start and run a full size skill saw but you can't cut with it. it's just to much. however it will run a Mikita 4.5 inch angle grinder just fine. I have used it to charge cell phones, portable lights, my lap top, my DeWalt and a few other things that I can't recall. I got way back when I didn't realize that I should have got a much lower wattage one, well some day. this one has a .5A draw on standby. highdesertranger
 
Thanks, the .5A draw is useful information.

" I got way back when I didn't realize that I should have got a much lower wattage one,"

Did you mean higher?

If not, please explain.
 
They waste a lot more power when oversized for the load.

Also important to turn them off when not in use.

Smaller ones are so cheap, IMO can just buy one for each device that needs it rather than one big one.

Then if you find a device that needs better quality buy the right size.

But avoiding them as much as possible, using native DC devices AMAP is best.
 
no I didn't need one so big. a much smaller one would have worked just as well. the main reason I got one in the first place was to run a dorm fridge. back then I had no idea what I was doing. all this solar stuff was brand new. there were bulletin boards but no internet, at least not that I heard of. highdesertranger
 
John61CT said:
They waste a lot more power when oversized for the load.

Also important to turn them off when not in use.

Smaller ones are so cheap,  IMO can just buy one for each device that needs it rather than one big one.

Then if you find a device that needs better quality buy the right size.

But avoiding them as much as possible, using native DC devices AMAP is best.


Use a small inverter like a light switch by leaving the load on and turning the inverter ON/OFF?
 
Yes in general, but some devices don't like having the plug pulled, and some need to be powered up after the inverter.
 
Boyntonstu said:
Have you run into any electrical problems using a modified sine wave inverter?

If you first understand that MSW inverter puts out a square wave that has been modified to look somewhat like a Sine wave, you will understand why electric motors often do not like that source of power.   Running a fan on a modified square wave output often and usually results in the fan "growling" as the input voltage jumps up and down across each half cycle  of the inverter output.   Variable speed hand drills also complain when used at half trigger settings.   Running a modified square wave into a computer power supply, for example, does not cause problems because the input circuits in the computer power supply take what is given and do all sorts of electronic tricks  to the power (sometimes called power conditioning) before presenting a seriously smooth voltage to the computer.   Notice how most computer type power packs will operate on 100 to 230 Volt, AC, inputs?    The alternating current requirement is so that transformers can be used to step up or down the input voltage to that required for the end device to operate.

I have a good quality Pure Sine Wave inverter to run a bar fridge (motor), a pedestal fan (motor), the wife's sewing machine (motor) and a spin dryer (motor).   For everything else, a number of modified square wave inverters are matched in size to the devices they are used to power.
 
I'll toss into the mix the Harbor Freight MSW 2000 Watt. It so far has powered everything I asked of it including a 6.5 HP Shop vac. My compressor bar/Drom fridge, table top 10" fan, Soldering Irons, glue guns and many more. Have to say that even though HF does not have the best of rep this one has worked well for me.

I have not yet set up a remote control to turn it on or off, but that's in the works.

Ah I am using seriously big wire and it is very close to the battery bank,less than 2 feet.
 
Ticklebellly said:
If you first understand that MSW inverter puts out a square wave that has been modified to look somewhat like a Sine wave, you will understand why electric motors often do not like that source of power.   Running a fan on a modified square wave output often and usually results in the fan "growling" as the input voltage jumps up and down across each half cycle  of the inverter output.   Variable speed hand drills also complain when used at half trigger settings.   Running a modified square wave into a computer power supply, for example, does not cause problems because the input circuits in the computer power supply take what is given and do all sorts of electronic tricks  to the power (sometimes called power conditioning) before presenting a seriously smooth voltage to the computer.   Notice how most computer type power packs will operate on 100 to 230 Volt, AC, inputs?    The alternating current requirement is so that transformers can be used to step up or down the input voltage to that required for the end device to operate.

I have a good quality Pure Sine Wave inverter to run a bar fridge (motor), a pedestal fan (motor), the wife's sewing machine (motor) and a spin dryer (motor).   For everything else, a number of modified square wave inverters are matched in size to the devices they are used to power.

It might be useful to compile a sticky list that indicates which devices can live with MSW and which are allergic to them.
 
MikeRuth said:
Ah I am using seriously big wire and it is very close to the battery bank,less than 2 feet.

Out of curiosity, can you quantify that in AWG please? My inverter came with cables that I would guess to be about 4-6AWG.
 
I'll second the HF although it's only been a little over a week. It's been running my cube fridge. it was from the bargain bin and didnt come with the cables. I'm using ~15" 10awg wire on it. (1000w/2000peak model)

I have to say Im shocked this went to page 2 without a "psw or you will explode" post.
 
Humble, my msw inverter charger required 2/0 awg, not 2 awg.
Seriously large... Mine is about 3/4 or more in dia...

By required, I mean the holes were that big, and the manual suggested it.
To me, I don't know if the inverter side or the charger side required that large, but that was the connection to the batteries, so that's what I went with!
 
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