Mechanical issues, possible transmission?

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Theadyn

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Hi,

Optimistic Paranoid thought it'd be better to write here so more mechanically inclined people can hopefully give me your thoughts.  This is from my captiain's log, post #160 https://vanlivingforum.com/Thread-Theadyn-s-van-and-trip-log?pid=158528#pid158528 where I was writing down the multitude of thoughts going on about possible transmission problem.

Here's the thing:  back in June there was an incident where she dumped all her fluid in Arkansas.  This was over the 2nd of the scenic bypasses that were too many hills/mountains, steep inclines and declines, the heat of the day, and the non-stop driving and no engine break (kept running to keep A/C going for doggies).  She spit out all her tranny fluid and refused to hold it in for a while, even slipping twice before I pulled her off the road and refused to drive it for a while.  It did cool off after an hour or so, kept fluid in her, and we limped her into a town about 20 miles away without issue.  Slept over night there, took off early the next day, stopping often, checking often...  tranny fluid stayed the entire over 300 miles home, and has stayed in her ever since.

However, there has been a few times it seems to rev up too much, like taking off and going into first or second gear.  It doesn't slip or act weird going down the road in higher gears.   But it has done this revving loud thing then like a jerking when getting into the first couple of gears I would say about 5 times in the past month. 

Beings how I am a little nervous about the tranny already, is this a sign of the tranny going?   Am I being paranoid?  I have the name of a trusted mechanic, both my dad and uncle (lifelong garage mechanics themselves) has used him for their transmissions, he's reasonable and trustworthy, so that part is good.  My dad said he charged him $1300 to rebuild his pickup tranny.  Plus, have a second vehicle to use while should it need to be fixed.

Another issue, not sure related or not, is it's tendency to die when putting it into reverse.  Starts right back up and usually goes (spitting, but goes) after that.  Once or twice I've had to stop really fast, and it died when i stopped.  It will always start right back up and go, it's just an annoyance and pain in my butt, really. 

I hate to keep pouring money into something that didn't cost that much when I got it, but she is already outfitted and has taken me over 5,000 miles since March, and I like her. 

The other thing to remember...  funds are dwindling.  If it's going to be a huge expensive fix, should I just scrap it and start over with what I would have been out.. thereby getting another unknown?  My gut tells me 'no'.. this one has known issues.  Guess it's the cost thing I'm worried about.  That, and I don't want to be stranded hours or states from home, ya know?  

If a rebuild is about $1500 or so I could swing it, have some left and still have some emergency money.  But more than that..  :s

In your experience..  is this nothing??  Or is it the start to something??    It is a 1996 Ford E150 V8 w a 5.8l motor.  Thanks for any advice.  :)
 
Surprised it continued on at all after losing all the fluid after overheating to that degree.
I'd say start saving and buddying up to your dad's transmission specialist.

I don;t kno w if it would be worth it to try and adjust the bands and replace the fluid and filter. Could be too little too late.

Put an additional transmission cooler on your next one. Heat wipes out the fluids ability to lubricate properly, and the tX will fail shortly after 95% of the time
 
Seconds the Trans cooler! My 2007 has one installed from the factory.
Not arguing that it could be to late but a service just might do the trick with a cooler, Especially if this hasn't been done. I don' think the cost of flush, filter and fresh fluid would be a waste at this point.
 
A cooler with an electric fan, and a full service are both prudent.

I would be doing some investigating on just exactly where and how the fluid escaped as well, and correcting that.

The engine dying problem seems like a separate issue to me, and should be addressed separately.
 
well I would talk with your tranny guy. see what he says. I will admit it doesn't sound good. you definitely need a trans cooler. if you overheat your trans it's normal for it to puke fluid there is a puke tube on top of the trans or it will come out where the dip stick goes, there is no way to stop it, short of not letting it over heat. at this point a fluid change and service might be throwing good money away. so talk to your guy and see what he says. let us know what he recommends. highdesertranger
 
Theadyn,I have the same problem with a chevy truck.I'm looking at $2000 for a transmission rebuild and I'll still have an 18 yr old truck with high miles.I saw a nice van for sale down the road,went and looked and bought it for $1700 more than the trans job would cost.Haven't decided what to do with the truck yet.One thing I have read several places, is don't ever do a trans flush.Seems the only folks who recommend a flush are the folks who own the flushing equiptment.Good Luck.
 
Yeah, it sounds like your tranny is giving up the ghost.

That high revving IS due to slippage, so it definitely needs either a replacement, or a rebuild. Your tranny guy may have a temporary Band-Aid that he can do to squeeze alittle more miles out of it, but it's days are numbered.

If you like this van, then I'd say the $1300 wouldn't be too bad of a rebuild cost.

I just had the trans on my hot-rod truck rebuilt (Turbo 400), and it cost me about that same price, and he even put a high-end shift kit in it.
 
Thanks all!!! Have an appointment with him to take it in next week. I'll just bite the bullet if I have to have it redone, if that is his findings. Am glad it is still driveable now, as it is an hour away, so no worrying about towing it there, thank goodness.

After, will just deal with the fact that funds are a getting low and figure out how to remedy that. Now... what else can I sell.. hmmm.. lol Not quite to the point yet where a 'real job' holds any allure, not that desperate yet. Am liking my freedom too darn much.

On that note, I did manage to work Friday cleaning the most disgusting RV I've seen yet. Was a bank repo and apparently the person left the fridge full of food, to which it sat for a long time with no electric. I will not gross you out with details, but when the price to clean it up was $1,000 cash split between me and my daughter, I didn't pass it up. So that will help towards the cost of whatever needs to be done. Lessens the sting a little, anyways.
 
Theadyn,I filled the trans with fluid and drove to Branson.Checked the trans and the dipstick was bare.No fluid.We ate dinner at Chilis and killed an hr or so.When I checked the fluid again the level was good.I think I have some plugged drains,keeping the fluid from draining back to the pan.I'll run another test in a couple of days to see what happens.Maybe I'll try one of those" not recommended" flushes after all.Don't know if this has any relation to your problem,but thought I'd let you know about it.
 
You didn't mention how you checked the fluid. Did you check the fluid with the transmission hot (after a decent drive) and the engine RUNNING - vehilce in park? That is the proper way to check your transmission fluid, and the most common reason for slippage is low on fluid.

If its not low on fluid - is the fluid red at all, or is it completely black at this point? If its still got some red its probably not slipping that badly, or could be something else. If its slipping in lower gears, then it could just be getting stuck between gears. If the bands are burnt out, most often but not always the high gear band will also be burnt out, so it only slipping at lower speeds could point to a dirty valve body or something else as well.

If you do spend that kind of money, for an older simpler transmission like you have (I believe its either a C6 or E04D) then you should be getting a complete rebuild. You want a complete rebuild as you should then get some kind of warranty that covers the enitre trans, not just what was fixed.

If the rest of the truck is in good shape and it fits your needs I would fix it. Better to have an old truck you know works good, then a newer one you just bought with even more problems.

The stalling out when putting it into gear sounds like a different problem (idling too low, probably caused by dirty valve body or something).
 
Hi Theodyn, transmission problems are never good.Not sure this is your problem, I have a Dodge Caravan that has an issue with it;s transmission but it is fairly minor. It sometimes doesn't shift out of second gear causing it to rev high, it rarely happpens but it happens, this is caused by the speed controller, there are two of them, the way to cure it is to shut it down and it resets itself, They need to be replaced they are not expensive about 75 to 100 each likely only one is gone but it is hard to diagnose which when they are working, the transmission is almost new, maybe 30,000 kms on it, but they likely didn;t change the speed control thing ama jigs when they replaced the transmission. I am not sure you have such a thing on a Ford transmission but it may be a question to ask your transmission expert if this is the type of reving you are experiencing if you drove it in a lower gear, at higher speeds, for some time, you could also cause it to overheat...,
 
I believe she doesn't even own that van anymore. she got another one. highdesertranger
 
I probably put it on another thread somewhere, but it turned out I had to get another tranny. $1900 worth and a warranty. Went to California and back to Oklahoma not long after, so it worked great. Sold it about 8 months after. :)
 
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