Buying Land

[Happy Camper]

They aren't suffering from a loss of revenue they never had.

That never stopped anyone from trying to ensure future profits.

I probably should have phrased it:
Significant loss of future revenue is probably the go to reasoning if they were pressed for an actual answer.

 

[Don]

See the article I posed above, CO does not have any more such counties. Google AI is spreading misinformation as usual. The state of CO is making sure all counties will have enforcement and also will enforce single statewide code not own codes. Given political climate in CO I have a good guess what that code will be

AZ is overrun all over. Also tx, nm and az are turning into Mexico I dk for that. There tons of people all over AZ now very overpopulated state and I go everywhere and seek most remote parts. Its a major tourist and transplant mecca, if something is still less discovered here it soon will ve

Maybe moving out of the country would better suit your needs

 

[rruff]

That never stopped anyone from trying to ensure future profits.

Most of the counties where they don't have building departments now, have ~2k residents... and most of them look like KS, too. Unless the state funds and hires for code enforcement in these areas, I don't expect anything will change.

 

[twomountainlions]

Colorado adopted new energy codes last year that will be required to be enforced by all local jurisdictions for new single family homes. So far it has to do with stuff like EV plugs, whole house heat pump readiness, etc. More strict codes are expected in 2026, which likely will force heat pumps installations and ban gas/propane appliances.
Sure one can buy existing cabin but if it burns down -rebuild will be expensive as must meet codes. This didnt work well for Paradise, CA residents who couldnt rebuild in CA even though they were insured.

They had a town fire in CO last year and people couldn't rebuild due to codes, so they granted one time group exemption to the town.
Also such states will make fuels expensive and repairs to existing appliances difficult
One of these former no-enforcement CO counties now requies $1000 fee just to file for variance.

I would never advocate violating local rules and if they required me to build a flying saucer to move in, I would. Its not a good or peaceful life hiding from regulations as wrong as they might be
Luckily there are still pockets of freedom and one is free to move there, highways are open and not even tolls on them, planes are still flyng too.

 

[rruff]

One of these former no-enforcement CO counties now requies $1000 fee just to file for variance.

Who does the enforcing? These big counties with almost zero people are unlikely to comply unless they are funded by the state. Is that was is happening?

You mentioned that NM has statewide codes now. I don't know when that happened, but there are plenty of people who aren't complying.

 

[Gr8ful]

Sure one can buy existing cabin but if it burns down -rebuild will be expensive as must meet codes. This didnt work well for Paradise, CA residents who couldnt rebuild in CA even though they were insured.

That's why you buy replacement insurance so they pay for all costs to rebuild. Is there anything you're not afraid of? We don't have local inspectors here. We have state inspectors. Ag buildings have no building code.

 

[Gr8ful]

Why Half of America is Empty – The 9 States No One Lives In​

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[afblangley]

Why Half of America is Empty – The 9 States No One Lives In​

What all the states in that video have in common is that they are cold. If I were to make a list of least populated places that Americans can freely move to, I'd start with these 4. The largest one has only a third of the population of Wyoming. What these have in common is a yearly average temperature of ~80F:

American Samoa 43,915
Northern Mariana Islands 49,796
U.S. Virgin Islands 98,750
Guam 172,952

One more thing: the top 10 least populated states all have brutal weather. But #11 is Hawaii.

 

[bullfrog !]

What all the states in that video have in common is that they are cold. If I were to make a list of least populated places that Americans can freely move to, I'd start with these 4. The largest one has only a third of the population of Wyoming. What these have in common is a yearly average temperature of ~80F:

American Samoa 43,915
Northern Mariana Islands 49,796
U.S. Virgin Islands 98,750
Guam 172,952

One more thing: the top 10 least populated states all have brutal weather. But #11 is Hawaii.

For me you would have to consider humidity and insects as well Lol!!! Guess I’ll just stick with southern Arizona and hope everyone gets thirsty and moves!

 

[Gr8ful]

I like Michigan. We live in the SW corner where we don't get the snow & snow like. The last 2 winters we only needed to be plowed once per season. The lake effect goes south to Indiana. It's colder in TN than here. 80% of MI population live in the lower third of the lower MI. Most on the east side aka Detroit area. The Great Lakes have 80% of the world's freshwater. I read years ago if all the states stood alone all Michigan would have to do is grow citrus in greenhouses. We don't have floods or hurricanes. We're not in tornado alley or on fault lines. Great place to live.

 

[afblangley]

I like Michigan... We don't have floods or hurricanes. We're not in tornado alley or on fault lines. Great place to live.

Couldn't convince me from all the MI license plates I see down here in Florida right now...

 

[Gr8ful]

Couldn't convince me from all the MI license plates I see down here in Florida right now...

You couldn't pay me enough to live in Florida. My brother had a cypress logging & sawmill business @ the 4 mile marker then 3 miles north on Alligator Alley till the government shutdown logging in the glades. My dad was from Hardee county then Lakeland. Fleas killed the neighbors dogs when we went to Sun & Fun. You can have my part. I did like the Keys..

 

[rruff]

What I think we'd want is a low population density, and well outside the significant influence of large metro areas.

The SW US has plenty of areas with a good year round climate, that are sparsely populated. NM has the 6th lowest density of any state as well.

 

[twomountainlions]

What all the states in that video have in common is that they are cold. If I were to make a list of least populated places that Americans can freely move to, I'd start with these 4. The largest one has only a third of the population of Wyoming. What these have in common is a yearly average temperature of ~80F:

American Samoa 43,915
Northern Mariana Islands 49,796
U.S. Virgin Islands 98,750
Guam 172,952

One more thing: the top 10 least populated states all have brutal weather. But #11 is Hawaii.

Most of them have population densities over 600 per square mile, even 800 in Mariana Islands.
They are full and no longer suitable for human habitation
Also crime must be horrible there

 

[twomountainlions]

You couldn't pay me enough to live in Florida. My brother had a cypress logging & sawmill business @ the 4 mile marker then 3 miles north on Alligator Alley till the government shutdown logging in the glades. My dad was from Hardee county then Lakeland. Fleas killed the neighbors dogs when we went to Sun & Fun. You can have my part. I did like the Keys..

Couldn't pay me to live in FL either. Not even comfortable driving through it. Too much risk of running into "Florida man" specimens like someone trying to eat your face or something. Even in the panhandle, tons of rude people.

 

[twomountainlions]

I like Michigan. We live in the SW corner where we don't get the snow & snow like. The last 2 winters we only needed to be plowed once per season. The lake effect goes south to Indiana. It's colder in TN than here. 80% of MI population live in the lower third of the lower MI. Most on the east side aka Detroit area. The Great Lakes have 80% of the world's freshwater. I read years ago if all the states stood alone all Michigan would have to do is grow citrus in greenhouses. We don't have floods or hurricanes. We're not in tornado alley or on fault lines. Great place to live.

Michigan does have violent tornados, though, F-4 and F-5.
There had been some of the most devastating tornados there.
The only place really safe from them is the UP, for the most part.
Though tornados had shifted over the years and dont seem to be as bad there now.
There are 2 tornado alleys now the newer one extends from the Southeast towards Southern Michigan.
This is violent tornado map
https://www.ustornadoes.com/wp-cont...es-f4-ef4-and-f5-ef5-in-the-united-states.gif

Living in tornado zone requires very solidly buit, heavy home (expensive in America) and a good comfortable shelter and lots of money for insurance.

 

[twomountainlions]

Why Half of America is Empty – The 9 States No One Lives In​

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Looked through it.
Vermont doesnt have truly low population density. May be from new yorker's standpoint.
It gets overrun by visitors from cities, lots of no tresspassing signs due to hunter overcrowdung and lots of mean attitudes towards transplants in very rural parts, actually because of too many moving in, I knew someone who had to sue 2 neighbors to run power lines, a little welcome for newcomers, not ungeard of. I had spent time in rural Vermont before deciding against it. Big propery taxes too.

Dakotas and WY, not really livable: no water,expensive well and well isn't guarantred to produce. Whole reason for low population. Properties near rivers which got higher water table, are very expensive. Depressing landscapes in Dakotas and lack of public land, except near Back Hills but Back Hills is such zoo in summer I dk to visit again. WY camping is very crowded anywhere where its forested, way too many tourists, I will not visit WY again.

Northern Maine is unpopulated.
But it has strong cultural quirks, outsiders arent liked, and starting to see mean bostoners/new yorkers influx affecting the culture. The most insane road rage I had ever seen was in Maine, must have been a mass-hole. Lack of public land (but can pay to go onto wast private eco preserve, after a long drive) and very high taxes in most townships, over 2% of market value easy. I dont need their services and to pay those taxes which apply to all rural parts of townships just like to in-town.

Rhode Island/Delaware made me laugh, I'd just rather drown myself in the sea than stay there. Population density 500-1000 (unpopulated???) per square mile and no public land.

Montana is overrun and crazy expensive, where it's livable (in parts with water). Camping there is getting very crowded and I won't even travel there anymore for this reason. Lots of negativity towards visitors due to too many newcomers pricing people out, housing situation made atrocious.

I extensively traveled the whole country and spent time all over before deciding I dont want to stay.

I know my secret perfect places in the lower 48 (won't post them online), too expensive for me now.

 

[twomountainlions]

Another thing about VT and ME, the first one is taken over by dems, so they are trying to ban fuel home heating and cooking and gas cars. Very dangerous for wallet and life. In ME there is a real possibility of the same.

I know where the Mayberries are, most people dont, that's why they are still Mayberries, perfect and paradisical. Post them online and people will ruin them. Let them have remaining 10 years of peace.

 

[Gr8ful]

Michigan does have violent tornados, though, F-4 and F-5.

1 F-5 in 1953, F-4 in 1977 & 1976 so it's happened but we're not in tornado alley. I did lose a hanger to an F-2. Tornado alley is typically identified as including parts of Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, Indiana, Missouri, Iowa, Illinois, and Ohio.

 

[twomountainlions]

1 F-5 in 1953, F-4 in 1977 & 1976 so it's happened but we're not in tornado alley. I did lose a hanger to an F-2. Tornado alley is typically identified as including parts of Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, Indiana, Missouri, Iowa, Illinois, and Ohio.

Look it up, there is a 2nd tornado alley now, new one, tornadoes had shifted.