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Please share any hindsight, advice, things you wished you had done differently or known about when you first started traveling in a small space. I want to benefit from the experience of others and would appreciate any helpful advice, insights, regrets, discoveries etc. regarding life in all its varied aspects on the road today. I'm feeling that old trepidation and butterflies in the stomach today, because remembering the last time I did this, 38-40 years ago, there was no modern technology ie notebook computers, solar power, cell phones etc. and we used kerosene lantern, propane fuel and no electricity at all. I'm thinking life on the road today is going to be quite different.

Planning for this from so far away...hmm. I wish I had the trailer here to load and see what in heck I really and truly need. All I can think of is to remember to bring my propane wrench. LOL That's one of my main tools now. My son in CO will accept some mailed boxes. Any recommendations on what to send? I need to do it soon, as the house is starting to completely come apart now and I want to be sure. I'd rather spend some money shipping flat rate boxes, rather than selling all for a song and having to re-purchase things I had. Anything you found useless, please also advise. Can't live without it tools and ? please also advise. I want to keep this as simple and light, but useful as possible. Many thanks in advance. I sure appreciate the know-how from the members of this community.
Gretchen
 
Gretchen, great question:).
I'll leave the practical side to others who know more than me!
For me your signature sums it up :). Flexibility, adaptability, growing wherever we are, knowing when the wind blows the strongest that is when our growth happens. After all the preparing, thinking, planning the ability to let go and enjoy. My spirtual practice, dog and nature get me through.  That is one of the cool things of taking this journey we get to know ourselves, because we don't have all the distraction, like the identity from work, I say note from your son I can relate.

I go in two weeks and have had jitters, panic, what am I doing times also, it is normal, probably be something wrong if we didn't. I went before with no information from internet and no planning in some ways it was easier just had to go with myself and figure it out. My set up now is not modern or modified other than an inverter to charge phone, one burner propane stove and a Mr buddy heater. The heater is the one thing that gives me a sense of security.

I did what u did starting the captain's log and it really helped to see things in black and white. I also said I was writing it so if I got way off course, maybe someone would intervene! I always have to work things through emotionally and writing moves me along fast. It is humbly to put it all out there, but we humans are way more alike than different. I would encourage u to keep doing that and what u did in this post ask for input, weigh the diverse answers, start to discover what works for u knowing there will be mistakes. Like skiing the more we risk the more we fall. Just get right back up! If I can be of any help let me know.
At work I gotta go, wishing u well
 
We took too much stuff and drove cross country. Too much food, too many clothes and too much camping gear. When the storage space is full, it is hard to find things. After we had eaten some of the food and rearranged things, it got better.
 
As usual I did not read the instructions before jumping in. I said what I would do!
 
I think the most important thing is to make sure you have plenty of room for personal comfort. There will be nasty weather days and even some days you just feel like kicking back and staying home.
(Being mobile doesn't mean you have to be on the go all the time).
 
skyl4rk said:
We took too much stuff and drove cross country.  Too much food, too many clothes and too much camping gear.  When the storage space is full, it is hard to find things.  After we had eaten some of the food and rearranged things, it got better.

X2!  

When I broke down, I was happy for the consumables.  

Baby Wipes,  buy one dispenser, and a 3 pack of refills. 

bucket bags,  
http://www.amazon.com/Stout-EcoDegr...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00

paper towels.  

One bathroom bucket, and one that can seal for trash. I use gamma seal lids.  You can find a better price than this.
http://www.amazon.com/Gamma2-4123-G...UTF8&qid=1459038950&sr=1-1&keywords=gamma+lid

at least 5 gallons of water.  Emergencies happen. 

First aid kit. (I am clumsy) 

Something soft for the floor like a yoga mat.  I find myself kneeling a lot and padding is good. 

insulated coffee mug.  I feel strange using a gas station rest room without buying something.  A refill is usually a lot less. 

Tool kit to work at the level you are comfortable with.  I can rebuild my van, so I have way too many tools.  :blush:
 
Yogidog,
You said this, "My spirtual practice, dog and nature get me through." and that is really important to remember. I think a person like me, gets very caught up in things sometimes and needs that kind of reminder. My dogs and the outdoors keep me levelheaded. Spiritual practice? hmm, now that's something I need to learn how to do - calm down enough to even get there. That's a good goal, so thanks for sharing what you do. I think that's called inner balance and is the core strength of it all.

bindi&us,
thanks for giving me "permission" to relax and be comfortable on the road. For some reason I feel guilty doing that. Guess it's too many years being a highly concientious teacher person (READ OCD because otherwise all the work doesn't get done!) LOL I don't want to drive from one place to another like crazy, but rather to meander and wander and see, feel and think and absorb. I also know this new life will smooth some of the edges off me and I am looking forward to that.

GotSmart,
Thanks for those valuable tips. I was thinking that even though the trailer has a toilet, I'd rather use a liner, kinda like the way I've seen described here for use in a bucket, especially for boondocking. Otherwise at hookups, will use like normal. Boy do I relish learning how to clean a blacktank...not. Although others have assured me , that's it's not that bad. I guess if I can change baby, big kid and grown up diapers, clean up after hospitalized animals and get pooped on and thrown up on by kids and animals alike, I can survive. :) Bleach water in a sprayer can be a good thing, I think and latex gloves are cheap and disposable.
 
Try to stop before it gets dark. Finding a strange campground or boondocking spot when you're not familiar with the roads and can't see the signs in time is very frustrating. Don't be afraid to stop short of your destination if it gets too late. Most of the time you'll be able to find a big box store, casino, truck stop or rest area where you can spend the night.

Always check your refrigerator to make sure it's securely closed before pulling out for the day. We have a class C so if our door pops opened (and it does occasionally when we don't close it right) we see it right away but with a trailer you won't know until you stop. Same with your TV antenna - make sure that it's down before pulling out.

We store light stuff in our upper cabinets for safely reasons and to save on wear and tear on the cabinets as we bounce down the road.
 
The areas I feel I made mistakes were;

taking too much/wrong food- some has traveled 4000 miles with me!

taking too many clothes

pushing too hard- too many miles, too many hours.

being overly afraid of what might happen



The things I did right;

listened to those who have experience- sorting out what feels right for me.

learned some of how to maintain my vehicle

made my dwelling as comfortable as I could with what I had

made sure it was in good shape- replacing/servicing anything that threatened to be an issue on the road.
(tires, oil,lube, filters, brakes, cooling system, leaks, rusty fuel tank/lines......)

Had an emergency fund

Developed an attitude of expecting to find new and enjoyable people and sites.

Listened to my intuition- if something felt wonky, move on!

Started gently- staying in campgrounds or WM and truckstops until I was comfortable boondocking.

Started with the assumption that my van and I were both works in progress.
 
bindi&us said:
I think the most important thing is to make sure you have plenty of room for personal comfort. There will be nasty weather days and even some days you just feel like kicking back and staying home.
(Being mobile doesn't mean you have to be on the go all the time).

^This

Although I wanted to just "Do It" and get on the road, I'm glad I found a way to not rush into anything. I haven't abandon my S&B yet but I'm venturing further away from my home base every trip and each trip is longer than the last. Still learning the limits of my comfort zone and tweaking my vehicle to make me comfortable.
I have to remember to stop and tell myself, out loud, that it's ok to not be in a hurry. There isn't any deadline to meet. We (you) are in complete control of when you do what you do.
I love having some creature comforts with me so taking some of those things that will keep me from going nuts if I'm caught in a rain storm for 3-4 days, at least initially, helps me relax and enjoy. I'm sure that eventually I'll give away some of those things but not today.

Your list of warm and fuzzy travel things will be unique to you, but I'd say don't be in a big hurry to pack that bag. Make your travel plan and include several way-points to stop along the route. Always give yourself extra days to find some flowers.

"The 59th Street Bridge Song (Feelin' Groovy)"
 
Getting a "bargain" van.

The older the van, the more likely it is to give you problems. The lower the price, the greater the likelihood the seller knows there's a large, expensive repair on the horizon, or that the van is reaching the end of its useful life. Bite the bullet and get the best van you can. It's going to be your home.
 
My $500 van has done me good!

I only have 1,000 hours and $3,000 into it!   :-/ 

But I know it will make it over the next hill.  :cool:
 
my biggest regret was in the how to keep perishables good. I tried it all. of course I started with an ice chest because that's the way it's always been done. well that only works for a few days or if you are close to snow. as I started going further out into the backcountry for longer periods of time, ice wasn't cutting it. then I tried a few of those 12v coolers, don't even waste your money. then I tried a dorm refer, power hog and not built for rough use didn't last a summer. then I tried an RV refer, well it worked good but now I needed to carry more propane and instead of making ice runs I was making propane runs. I also tried dry ice, it's too cold, and would only last about a week. so I finally bought a 12v refer, dang why didn't I just do that to begin with. would have saved a boat load of money. I now have two 12v refers and will add a third to use as a freezer. highdesertranger
 
highdesertranger said:
...  then I tried an RV refer,  well it worked good but now I needed to carry more propane and instead of making ice runs I was making propane runs.  I now have two 12v refers and will add a third to use as a freezer.  highdesertranger

highdesertranger,
Thanks for that info.
I'm new to refers while on the road, as I never bothered with buying so much food that could spoil past 3 days and never had refrigeration for 2 years in the Marshalls and learned a few tricks about food preservation and safety from my Marshallese family. Now, for the first time, I have one in my new trailer that goes from propane to electric. As I plan on being more off grid than on:

how much propane does one use?
Is it like regular fridges where the more packed it is , the less energy used?

I need to look into the 12 v version also. Will eventually get solar and would need a 12v version right?
Which one are you using?
 
My mistakes in the beginning were making due with an uncomfortable bed. I really tried to make the tri fold conversion van bench seat/bed comfortable, and even fooled myself into thinking so, and was the fool for it, sacrificing my lower back and sleep quality, and attitude.

It was a happy day when the bench seat was hacked into pieces small enough to go into a recycling bin, and a plywood platform and a quality firm foam rubber mattress replaced it.

Other mistakes in the beginning were regarding batteries. I was one of the many who assumed short drives were more than enough to recharge a battery, and that it did not really matter if the battery was fully charged regularly. My electrical loads were quite light at that time, and group 27 batteries were lucky to last beyond 8 months. I got well acquainted with the inverter's low voltage alarm, and dealing with trying to warranty batteries, which I killed, due to overwhelming ignorance of what they require to yield even a decent lifespan. I am ashamed that I warrantied so many batteries. I am not somebody who wants something for nothing, holding such an attitude in utmost contempt, but I was a battery murderer, and blamed the victim, and the seller for my own extreme foolishness/ ignorance, and arrogance.

Other regrets are not getting a 12v compressor fridge and enough solar to run it earlier. I think of all those times I had to throw away spoiled food, when I could not afford to, how many times I had to leave and pack up camp just to resupply for ice, how much money I wasted on block and chipped Ice itself, and time spent emptying stinky cooler water, destinkifying the cooler and its compartments, and the waste of so many ziplock baggies whose seals failed and contaminated the food within. Regarding the Solar, well there were so many times I couldn't listen to the radio or watch a DVD or even keep the light on for too long, as I did not want to have to waste fuel just to drive, just to recharge the batteries, which were so capacity compromised already they had little usable capacity left anyway.

Now with an extra insulated 12v Vitrifrigo front loading fridge, and 198 watts of solar, and an awesome vehicular battery charging system, I simply never worry about spoiled food, The fridge is always 33.5 to 35.5F, and I make my own ice, and from basically March21 to when the clocks fall back in autumn, I have a significant solar surplus and can basically use as much electricity as I want, within reason, and only have one single 90 AH capacity AGM battery, that so far, has lived longer than any other heavily cycled battery I have had, and all indications via the proper measuring tools and much experience and interest in the subject, are it retains much of its original capacity at 2.5 years and 250+ deep cycles to less than 60% and another 100+ shallower cycles to ~80% charged.

In '07 I gutted and rebuilt my interior for maximum storage under the new platform bed. This allowed me to be able to carry way too much weight, and as it was out of sight, it was out of mind, killing MPGS and wearing out the brakes and drivetrain faster carrying stuff I did not need, or even remember that I had with me.

Travelling light is less burdensome than carrying everything might conceivably need. It is far too easy to imagine a scenario where it would be great to have such and such a device/implement/accessory/tool with you. In most instances, not having it is not something worthy of more than a shoulder shrug. The time when a certain random possession one was loathe to leave behind/sell/give away, carried just for its specific purpose, saves the day, is quite rare.
There can be a million examples where this or that, carried, was well worth it and the speaker breaks their arm patting themselves on the back for having had it with them, but for every 1 thing that does save the day, 10 things carried along will never have the chance to.

So, beware of the 'just to have, just in case' items. They are good at making their way onto lists, and often serve no purpose.

Warm and fuzzies are hard to put a price tag on. It is really an individual thing, and only obvious in hindsight, whether it was a worthwhile useful warm and fuzzy, or a simple waste of space, time, effort and/or emotion.

Also, when I first started getting on automotive/RV forums, I really believed the replies were correct, not realizing most replies were just a kid in the back of the classroom with their arm raised going Oh OHH OHH! trying to impress themselves and others that they had a reply, while being overwhelmingly wrong and ignorant. Learn to ignore those who present their opinion as absolute fact, and their way is the only way, and anybody else doing it differently is a mouth breathing knuckle dragger.




The other regrets are having to rely on mechanics when something went wrong. In 2002 I spent 450$ to have a fuel injector replaced. An 80$ product that takes less than 5 minutes to replace. I just had no knowledge that it was the culprit, even though I had the skills and tools to easily replace it. Whatever vehicle you get, try and get the factory service manual( check Ebay motors) for that specific year, rather than a haynes or Chilton manual which is much less in depth as it can cover vehicle models spanning 20+ years.
 
Too many clothes. I am quite a minimalist and congratulated myself on how "my clothes don't even take up the space I allotted for clothing storage."
I still had more clothes than I needed and currently find myself giving or throwing them away on a regular basis. It's not just the fact that I have things in my van that I don't need, clearly I'm not hurting for space, it's the fact that I'm carrying around an unnecessary burden. It's weight, less MPG. It's looking at them and saying I must wear those because I haven't wore them in a while and in order to justify keeping them, I need to wear them. Nope, they must go.

Realize that you will rearrange many, many times. Allow that - be flexible - don't get frustrated with yourself. My small supply of tools have had three different locations now.

Back to being flexible - your plans (weekend plans, dinner plans, travel plans, etc.) will change whether it's because you simply changed your mind/desires, weather changed it for you, or someone else. This is a lifestyle of flexibility and change. Lean in.

Another thing I thought I would need in order to sleep - I don't really need. I had tricked myself into thinking that I needed a television playing in the background in order for my mind to drift off of my real life problems. That may have been in the case in my sticks and bricks. But either those problems have solutions now, or the the immediacy of solving them has changed. I'm not sure of the difference, but what you used to think you needed in order to sleep, be happy, thrive...those things will likely change for you.
YOU will change. Be open for it.
 
Those who fail to plan,,plan to fail. That being said? Your 're going to take to much stuff. You will forget the simplest items just remember the major items. Remember if you forget the simple items Wal Mart has a bunch of them. Remember Wal Mart loves you. You can park there. If!! You are east of the Mississippi it's not quite the same as desert camping. You may not need 10 gallons of water. I buy the 24 bottle package.The 5 gallon bucket is still good for emergencies and if your"'re an old man like me that could happen a lot. Middle of the night they are indespendsable....ha remember the money and the Meds. If you are lucky enough to still have a mother, for God's sake don't forget her number!!! One of those He'll hast no fury........ Anyway , the best thing to do is just go. It will work out. Life is good...HoboJoe
 
ggwoman I know this is off topic but will try to give a quick answer. the old RV refers ran 24/7 and used quite a bit of propane about 5gal/week. the new ones cycle so they are much more efficient, but in hot weather can still eat a lot of propane. if you are running your refer off propane you need the larger bottles, at least 30lb, 40lb would be better. imo. highdesertranger
 
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