An unusual place to buy Methanol at $10.67 per gallon.

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My buddy in MO uses this [font=Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif]SMB Gas-Line Antifreezer and Water Remover, 12-oz. Bottles [/font]in his alcohol stove.

They will ship a 12 case free to the store at $1.00 each.

12 bucks gets you 144 oz and that calculates to $10.67 per gallon.

He discovered after reading the label that it is 100% Methanol.

He says that it burns clean and that it works perfectly in his alcohol stoves.

I notice on their website that they are currently out of stock.

I just wanted to point out the possibility of using the product in alcohol stoves.

https://www.dollartree.com/Seasonal...mover-12-oz-Bottles/1248c551p344567/index.pro
 
Stove fuel is Ethanol with a small amount of Methanol to denature the alcohol. Methanol is very toxic. I know you don't recommend drinking it, but the fumes and whatever are the products of combustion would keep me scared.
 
Yes, Methanol is highly toxic and should not be used in cooking stoves.
 
Facts that you may want to know about Methanol cooking stoves.

http://www.climatetechwiki.org/technology/methanol-cook-stoves

and from:

https://adventuresinstoving.blogspot.com/2011/08/alcohol-as-stove-fuel.html

"Methanol (methyl alcohol) is another popular fuel alcohol, frequently bought in the yellow HEET bottle because HEET is so widely available (at least in the US). You do have to carry a bit more methanol to do the same amount of cooking since methanol contains fewer calories per gram* than ethanol. Methanol fumes are toxic, and methanol absorbed through the skin is toxic. How toxic? If you're cooking out doors, I don't think fumes will be too bad if you're observant of wind direction and position yourself accordingly. I don't have a way to state a safe limit for skin absorption, but handling with care should be enough. It's not like you hear about a lot of through hikers on the Appalachian Trail (AT), where yellow HEET is easy to get and very popular, getting stricken with methanol poisoning. Methanol has a higher vapor pressure than ethanol and works better than ethanol in cold weather. I can't comment a lot on methanol performance in cold weather because I typically bring a gas or liquid petroleum fueled stove for cold weather. Conversely, methanol can have "runaway thermal feedback" in hotter weather. "Runaway thermal feedback" basically occurs when the alcohol gets so hot that it boils really violently and doesn't burn efficiently. Adding water (see remarks above) can help calm down a burn so that the alcohol can burn more cleanly."

Great Forum,

Lots to learn here.
 
ok so if the fumes are poisonous. what happens when the fumes come in contact with what you are cooking? highdesertranger
 
Methanol — the fuel in waiting

November 6, 2014
by Admin
Methanol is a bit of a mystery. It is the simplest form of a hydrocarbon, one oxygen atom attached to simple methane molecule. Therefore, it burns. Methanol is one of the largest manufactured trading commodities after oil, and has about half the energy value of gasoline (but its high octane rating pushes this up to 70 percent). It is a liquid at room temperature and would therefore fit right into our current gasoline infrastructure — as opposed to compressed natural gas or electricity, which require a whole new delivery system.

Methanol made from natural gas would sell for about $1 less than gasoline. Methanol can also be made from food waste, municipal garbage and just about any other organic source.

So why aren’t we using methanol in our cars? It would be the simplest thing in the world to substitute methanol for gasoline in our current infrastructure. Car engines can burn methanol with a minor $200 adjustment that can be performed by any mechanic. You might have to fill up a little more often, but the savings on fuel would be significant — about $600 a year. So what’s stopping us?

Well, methanol seems to be caught in a time warp. It is the dreaded “wood alcohol” of the Depression Era. Methanol is poisonous, as opposed to (corn) ethyl alcohol, which only gets you drunk. (In fact, commercial products such as rubbing alcohol are “denatured” by adding methanol so people will not drink them.) But if methanol is poisonous, so is gasoline, as well as many, many other oil products. Yet methanol is somehow caught up in old EPA regulations that make it illegal to burn in car engines — even though it is hardly different from the corn ethanol that currently fills one-tenth of our gas tanks.

Methanol’s main feedstock is natural gas, and for a long time that was seen as a problem. “Methanol wasn’t practical because the price of natural gas was so high and we seemed to be running out of it,” said Yossie Hollander, whose Fuel Freedom Foundation has been promoting the use of methanol for some time. “But now that natural gas prices have come down, it makes perfect sense to use it to make methanol. We could do away with the $300 billion a year we still spend on importing oil.”

The EPA actually granted California an exemption during the 1990s that allowed 15,000 methanol-powered cars on the road. The experiment was a success and customers were happy but natural gas prices reached $11 per million BTUs in 2005 and the whole thing was called off. Only a few months later, the fracking revolution started to bring down the price of natural gas. It now sells at $4 per mBTU. Yet, for some reason the EPA has not yet reconsidered its long-standing position on methanol.

At the Methanol Policy Forum last year, Anne Korin of the Institute for the Analysis of Global Security (IAGS), made a very insightful remark. “I think methanol fares poorly in Washington precisely because it doesn’t need any subsidies or government assistance in making it economical. For that reason you have no big constituency behind it and no member of Congress crusading on its behalf.”

That may be about to change, however. China has a million cars burning methanol on the road and wants to expand. In the past few weeks alone, Texas and Louisiana have been hit with what is being called “Methanol Mania.” The Chinese are planning to build six major processing plants to turn the Gulf Coast into the world’s biggest center of methanol manufacture. One project will be the largest methanol refinery in the world, two times the size of one located in Trinidad.

All this methanol is intended to be sent back to China. The Chinese want to employ it as a feedstock for their own plastics industry, plus use it in Chinese cars. They will be shipping it the expanded Panama Canal, which will be completed in 2015.

But at some point someone in this country is going to look around and say, “Hey, why don’t we use some of this methanol to power our own automobiles.” At that point the methanol industry, along with the Texas and Louisiana, may have enough political leverage to get the EPA off the dime and see a decision about using methanol in our cars as well.
 
burning methanol in cars is not that simple.

first you get about half the furl economy so you need twice the methanol to go the same distance. your fuel tank would have to be twice as big. when that tank is full it would further cut fuel economy due to weight.

second, that octane statement is BS, octane in and of itself does not give you more power. the power you get from high octane would be being able to run much higher compression. which is not a 200 buck adjustment. also with higher compression you have higher NOX production. don't forget those exhaust fumes are poisonous just like gasoline.

third methanol like ethanol reeks havoc with rubber in the fuel system all seals must be replaced from the gas cap to the injector. a little more then 200 bucks.

fourth all alcohol has the affinity to attract water(hydrophilic), this is why Heet works the water bonds to the methanol and is burnt in the combustion process. however this poses huge problems though out the refining and delivery process. methanol cannot be expose to air or it will become contaminated.

there are many more reasons against using methanol as a primary fuel source. I have just touched on a few.
can it be done? yes
is it practical? not really.
highdesertranger
 
What about using ethanol? It's available for something like $1.85/gallon, if I read the sign right the last time I passed it.
 
TrainChaser said:
What about using ethanol?  It's available for something like $1.85/gallon, if I read the sign right the last time I passed it.

Gasoline with 15% Ethanol is called "Ethanol" at the gas station.
 
Wow where the heck are you guys getting $1.85

Full dollar more here. . .
 
Buying Heet in the Yellow bottles is not at all unusual for using in backpacking cooking stoves.

The long distance hikers on trails like the Appalachian do it all the time. It's available at the gas stations/convenience stores adjacent to the trails and comes in small enough quantities that it's easy to carry.
 
John61CT said:
I meant round me here in the NE

If you saw the sign that is the current price.

I would not put it in my car.

IMHO The Ethanol subsidy program is a complete waste of money that also increases crop prices.
 
I thought we'd sidetracked to unleaded petrol we put in our cars (E85)
 
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