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TMG51 said:
I think neither, but an observed double entendre.

Dang, I missed the funny! I'll blame it on lack of sleep, not the fact that I'm just dumb sometimes.

Are you still in Florida? It's actually starting to get cold here. 

On another note: I've found the manual to my toilet. Never thought I'd be so glad to look at the diagram of a crapper.
 
lterry said:
Dang, I missed the funny! I'll blame it on lack of sleep, not the fact that I'm just dumb sometimes.

Are you still in Florida? It's actually starting to get cold here. 

On another note: I've found the manual to my toilet. Never thought I'd be so glad to look at the diagram of a crapper.

Don't feel so alone; I work from the toilet all the time. Benefit of remote employment, you see.

I'm actually not in Florida yet. I'm in North Carolina. I still maintain the same projected course. I plan to cruise down south soon, maybe this weekend, and come up through your area after that to head west. I can give you a heads up when that happens.
 
"Never thought I'd be so glad to look at the diagram of a crapper". hahahaha, you made me gag on my beer. I am curious you say an ice maker got a link, someone else mention a ice maker recently. I wouldn't mind having one but have never found one that I would say is energy efficient. highdesertranger
 
lterry said:
:) Is that sarcasm or are you being serious?

yea, an observed double entendre,thats what it was,a double what? is that even legal to say?

ohh,crap

toilets,if the seal isnt holding some water,clean it good and if it still leaks replace it

i'm on topic,i'm on topic,calm down dad i'm on topic
 
highdesertranger said:
"Never thought I'd be so glad to look at the diagram of a crapper".   hahahaha,  you made me gag on my beer.  I am curious you say an ice maker got a link,  someone else mention a ice maker recently.  I wouldn't mind having one but have never found one that I would say is energy efficient.  highdesertranger

In lieu of a fridge (gave the mini fridge away that came with my van), I'm going to use a cooler and icemaker. Make ice - put it in cooler.
I'm going to have another cooler too - this is also the solution to a different problem. I have a dog and if I'm working away from my van where I can't take my dog, then she needs a way to stay cool that doesn't require turning my air conditioner and generator on. This is my solution (I'll bungy things up nice and tidy so she can't knock her "air conditioner" over while I'm away).

In case you can't watch the video, I'll describe: It's a cooler with two holes cut in it, one for a small 12 volt fan and the other for a pvc pipe for directional flow. With ice in the cooler, the fan will force out cool-ish air.
 
bindi&us said:
Doesn't look like its a 12 volt ice machine.

It's not. I have 110 outlets and this cooler/icemaker situation should be much more efficient than a minifridge on a 110.
 
I guess I am confused.  You don't want to fire up the generator to run the air conditioner but you have 110V outlets.  Where are the 110v outlets getting their power from?  Mine only work if the generator is running or I am plugged into shore power.

If you are thinking you are going to install an inverter to run the ice maker, you will need to find out how much power it draws and then get a battery bank and inverter capable of feeding it.  Then you have to think about how your are going to put juice back in those batteries.
 
B and C said:
I guess I am confused.  You don't want to fire up the generator to run the air conditioner but you have 110V outlets.  Where are the 110v outlets getting their power from?  Mine only work if the generator is running or I am plugged into shore power.

If you are thinking you are going to install an inverter to run the ice maker, you will need to find out how much power it draws and then get a battery bank and inverter capable of feeding it.  Then you have to think about how your are going to put juice back in those batteries.

I don't have a battery bank exactly - just one battery. I thought a solar panel and driving my van would recharge the battery. But...something tells me that was a naive thought to have and you're about to tell me precisely why that won't work.
There is A LOT to learn!
 
lterry said:
I don't have a battery bank exactly - just one battery. I thought a solar panel and driving my van would recharge the battery. But...something tells me that was a naive thought to have and you're about to tell me precisely why that won't work.
There is A LOT to learn!

Yes, unfortunately, just because you have 110 outlets doesn't mean you always have 110 power: those outlets are undoubtedly wired to operate when you are plugged into shore power.

Although you might use a power inverter to supply 110 to those outlets, that would mean upgrades to your batteries/solar and a very specific assessment of what your needs will be in terms of draw. In the short term you might be better off with a small generator if 110 power is a deal breaker.

I also have 110 outlets in my rig, and I've never used them. I've never used a generator either. I use 12v appliances and carry a small 170 Watt inverter for the few small devices I use that aren't 12v.
 
TMG51 said:
Yes, unfortunately, just because you have 110 outlets doesn't mean you always have 110 power: those outlets are undoubtedly wired to operate when you are plugged into shore power.

Although you might use a power inverter to supply 110 to those outlets, that would mean upgrades to your batteries/solar and a very specific assessment of what your needs will be in terms of draw. In the short term you might be better off with a small generator if 110 power is a deal breaker.

I also have 110 outlets in my rig, and I've never used them. I've never used a generator either. I use 12v appliances and carry a small 170 Watt inverter for the few small devices I use that aren't 12v.

I have an Onan generator, but I hadn't planned on using it a lot. Then again, I'm on too sure of anything at the moment. I need a remedial course on electricity, I'm not even up to speed with a beginners course. 
Funny little anecdote: I was walking down the little RV aisle at KMart (yes I'm as surprised as you that they have RV things) and an inverter catches my eyes. I'm like: Nope, don't need that. I already have those plugs. I thought inverters were for people with converted vans that had no plugs.

Okay, I have a question for you. Say I have a little clip-on fan. It comes with a 12 volt plug and a 110. Imagine that I bought that inverter. So I have the option of either power source (I have a 12 volt plug above my bed). Which would drain my battery the least, 110 or 12 volt?
 
12 volt. There is power loss when you run thru an inverter.
 
Don't get rash and impulse buy an inverter (or any other "appliance").  SternWake is our resident battery guru.  Some of his posts are very detailed (he points to perfection and then lets you decide how close you want to get to that) and there are others that know way more than I do.  You are going to have to figure out ampere hours. :huh:   This means how much does something draw and how long is it going to be on.  Only then will you know how much battery and recharge capability you need.  

There are two types of inverters to change 12v DC to 110v AC.  Modified sine wave (MSW) and pure sine wave (PSW).  Modified sine wave inverters are a lot cheaper but there are a lot of AC appliances that will not work or burn out if you use them.  There are losses that are lost to heat in the conversion process too.  Getting 80 to 85% efficient conversion would be good.

Anything you can run natively off 12v is best.  I use a 12v adapter for my laptop and my desktop computers.  The TV I use as a monitor is a 12v TV.  A 12v crock pot (to use while driving and placed in the sink for spills), a 12v RoadPro lunch box oven.  Our CPAP machines run off 12v too.  I am sure I am missing some things, but I am trying to point out that a lot of things can be run off of 12v if research is done.  Every light we have has been converted to LED except for a fluorescent fixture we never use.  I upgraded our converter/charger that came with the Roadtrek as it is a known battery killer with a Progressive Dynamics unit that was a direct replacement.  It converts 110v AC to 12v DC and is a battery charger too.  For this to work, the generator must be running or be plugged into shore power.

To use the air condition method you mentioned for your pet, I think you will be buying bagged ice and a computer fan to move the air.  The linked to ice maker doesn't show how much power it draws....

I think you are going to have to make a list in the order of priority of what you need to work on:

Commode - They make liners to put in the commode (normally for Winter camping but can be used any time of year).  I think they are called wag bags.  A place to store the used liners until they can be disposed of.  Other's here will know a lot more about this.
Drinking water - a 5 or 7 gallon water container and some 1 gallon water containers.  These will be useful after the water system is working to help extend your stay.
Cooking?
cooling?
cold food storage?
etc.

We have had our Roadtrek a year and a half now.  I have just about got it to where it works for us.  Thank God most of the built in appliance worked when I bought it.  I did have to R&R the generator to get it working though and recently replaced the HW heater.  The fridge will probably be next.  The fridge holds a surprisingly large amount of food with a good sized freezer and is a 3 way, 12v for when driving, propane when camped, and 110v for when on shore power.  I have placed remote temperature sensors in the fridge and the freezer to monitor temps (no soupy ice cream).  Remote temperature probe on the HW heater so we know when to turn it off so we don't waster water trying to mix hot and cold.  New front end parts including ball joints to brake rotors.  All fluids have been replaced, brake, trans, radiator, etc. and recently a new exhaust system and tune-up.  Any older RV/van is going to take work and money to get it to where it works for you.  I started early as I knew there were going to be things to work through.  My last day of work is Jan. 4th and is when our adventure begins.....

Make that list and start working the list. :)
 
I found the REAL potable water inlet finally. The other two that I was mistake about - was the potable water drain (which the valve is broken), and the other is for being hooked up at a campground. So the potable water inlet is in the frame of the passenger door frame. Funny thing is, I had read that somewhere else in a different thread for a different vehicle and thought how odd/awkward that would be...thankfully, that wasn't where my is...(still thinking mine is the campground/waterhose setup.

Anyhow, that mystery is solved. Now I have a new mystery. I poured two small bucketfuls of water into my toilet, pulled the valve out, nothing. I thought maybe it was because I wasn't on level land. I moved the van, still nothing. I poured water into the sink, pulled the gray water valve. Water spills out. Now I'm scratching my head: where the heck is all that black water, and why isn't it coming out?
 
lterry said:
Now I'm scratching my head: where the heck is all that black water, and why isn't it coming out?

You've got a Golgothan living in there. :s
 
I would make sure the rod you are pulling for the black tank is actually pulling the valve open and not just moving the rod back and forth.  IDK for sure, but I think you can manually pull open the valve if you crawl under there.  The only thing I had to do to mine was replace the drain hose.  It was a pretty good job in itself.

It sounds like you have figured out which rod opens the grey tank and it works:D
 
:)
lterry said:
Anyhow, that mystery is solved. Now I have a new mystery. I poured two small bucketfuls of water into my toilet, pulled the valve out, nothing. I thought maybe it was because I wasn't on level land. I moved the van, still nothing. I poured water into the sink, pulled the gray water valve. Water spills out. Now I'm scratching my head: where the heck is all that black water, and why isn't it coming out?
Sounds like it could be plugged.  I just went through that.
I suggest filling the tank right up and then taking it to a free sani-dump station.
http://www.sanidumps.com/
Hopefully that will be enough to break it loose.
If not, what I did was order Piranha enzymes. http://www.super-seal.com/piranha-holding-tank-cleaner
I put in 7 cap fulls (7 times the recommended dosage for a holding tank).  I let it sit for 3 weeks and then tried to dump it.  The enzymes were working but only a bit came out.  So, I called a septic tank service (ask them if their hose will fit through an RV toilet) and had them come out.
End of story.
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