5 Gallon bucket or keep the stock toilet?

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Sheena

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My 1989 Camper van came with a toilet and black water tank which is nice if I ever resell the van, but I don't see myself spending much time at RV parks where I will be utilizing their disposal services.  I'm trying to be able to live somewhat off grid. 

I'd love your thoughts on:

Should I keep the toilet that came with the van, or just pull it out, close up the hole and replace it with a Luggable Loo? 

Which has less odor? Loo or stock toilet. I plan on using a separate closed container for urine if I get a Loo. 

Which is lower maintenance and easiest/less gross to deal with?

Thanks for your thoughts!
 
Sheena said:
Which is lower maintenance and easiest/less gross to deal with?

Thanks for your thoughts!

I can't speak to the advisability of pulling out the existing toilet other than you would have to store it, etc. Do you have storage space or will you have some while on the road?

I use a version of the Luggable Loo. I also separate. What I found worked pretty well for me is to use some no-odor kitty litter (doesn't take much) and a good quality kitchen size bag. But that then gets folded up and put into a FREEZER type quart ziploc bag. Freezer are thicker plastic than storage. That then went into general garbage bag in another 5-gal. bucket with a gama-seal lid (for easy opening but still pretty airtight.

I have to say that I tossed my garbage (in appropriate trash bins) every few days. I stay in free / boondocking places but I didn't have mobile wifi last year so I was going into the nearest town that often. Personally this system is my preference with what I've seen of the need to dump. On the other hand, people like RVSue (who has a great blog) spend a lot of time boondocking but have no problem finding public or private dump stations everywhere (tho there is often a fee to dump).
 
keep in mind some areas require you to be self contained and buckets don't count. if you pull your toilet you can cut those places out. highdesertranger
 
When I bought my Class B, I had a similar question to face, as I only live off-grid (no campgrounds or dump stations).

So, first question - what are you going to do INSTEAD of using your holding tanks?

Of the people who are not using holding tanks, digging cat holes, or relying on public bathrooms, two prominent categories remain:
1) Compost it in a bucket with sawdust.
2) Bag it and mix it in with trash.

I've been willing to make a lot of compromises in the mobile life but driving around with a bucket of my own decomposing crap is not one of them. That put me in the "bag it" category. So while I was considering removing my toilet, for the same reasons you are, it occurred to me: If I'm going to be crapping in bags, why not just do that with the toilet? So I do. I washed the toilet inside/out and I never put anything in it directly. Instead I line the bowl with a 13 gal trash bag and close the lid over the bag so it all stays in place. Then I pick the bag up, tie it off and mix it in with trash. All very tidy.

If you have a "luggable loo" type thing that still requires much more maintenance/gross factor than the aforementioned method, if you ask me.
 
TMG51 said:
 So while I was considering removing my toilet, for the same reasons you are, it occurred to me: If I'm going to be crapping in bags, why not just do that with the toilet? So I do. I washed the toilet inside/out and I never put anything in it directly. Instead I line the bowl with a 13 gal trash bag and close the lid over the bag so it all stays in place. Then I pick the bag up, tie it off and mix it in with trash. All very tidy.

Some people are very happy using the 5 gallon bucket and some people hate it and its a crap shot which you will be (pun intended!!). I'm totally happy with my 5 gallon bucket but lots of people aren't.

TMG51 gave you great advice!! Use the toilet for awhile just as he describes and if you're satisfied with that then just keep doing it. If it's too gross for you then just start using the built-in toilet.

To be fair, you have holding tanks and so you don't need to be in an RV park to empty them, there are dump stations easily available to empty your tanks into. The price varies from free to $15. Dumping a tank of shit really grosses me out a whole lot more the pooping in a bucket so I will never do it, but a whole bunch of people don't mind it at all.

It takes all kinds to make the world go around!!
Bob
 
I'm the "other" kind... Dumping the black tank doesn't phase me. It's all pretty simple and straightforward. The whole thing about bags of human shit in the trash Grosses me out. I'd keep the toilet and dump the tank once a week or so. A bottle of the blue stuff with each load will keep the odor down to nearly nothing. Just make sure some #1 goes in there too so there is liquid to break it all down and give it a medium to run it out with.

BTW, the RV pitstop in Quartzite has hoses already there. It's $10. You just connect, drain, and disconnect. No hose to put away. Maybe they have a deal for regulars. Same for Woods Canyon Lake campground dump station, hose already there. That one is $7
 
I prefer the bag method, I had HUGE problems finding any dump stations halfway handy in many of the areas I frequent.

Another thing to consider in the equation is whether you're going to be spending any time in below freezing weather. Plumbing doesn't work well in that scenario and can be a huge pain.

With your existing set up you have both holding tank, and bag options available, so it should be pretty easy to decide which you prefer.
 
I use a sawdust bucket with the Travel John seat. I like the seat because it is not hard plastic- it is softer, more flexible, and much less chance of breaking. It also doesn't snap onto the bucket, so taking it off is easy-peasey.

Covering up your waste with sawdust kills the odor. I can't explain it, but covering it up works just as well as bagging it every time with three bags. The sawdust does a great job of keeping the bugs out, too, but I don't live in the South, so bugs may be a problem in warmer, more insect laden environments.

I line the 5 gallon bucket with a compostable, 13 gallon trash bag. Then after three days to a week, I empty the bucket. Keeps clean up much easier, too.

I prefer screened pine shavings. They aren't dusty and compress to a small space. When you scoop the shavings out, they poof up a lot. A large bag will last me 6 to 12 weeks depending on how much I use other bathrooms. http://www.amazon.com/Kaytee-Aspen-..._UL160_SR160,160_&refRID=13VK7T8F63HE6WCQCHMR The sawdust I use is about $8.00 or less at hardware or ranch supply stores. Aspen shavings work, too, but pine works the best for insect control.

Peat Moss works very well, too, but it is heavy and doesn't compress as much as wood shavings. And it is DUSTY! Filthy. Using peat moss is trading one problem for another. Not recommended.


Wood pellets (the 40 pound bags for pellet stoves) work very well, but they are heavy and last only about a week. At $5.00 a bag, that is much more than wood shavings. I've used wood pellets as kitty litter and it is by far my favorite choice for kitties.

I've used porta potty type devices and they need to be cleaned like a regular toilet. A 5 gallon bucket with a liner saves time on clean up and saves on cleaning supplies. Carrying a porta potty is awkward and heavy. The waste sloshes around and does splash around a bit when emptying. It isn't all that bad, but much harder than a 5 gallon bucket. Both need to be emptied about the same amount of times.

Holding tanks require an RV dump. Sawdust buckets require at least a Dumpster. Dumpsters have more easy access and are cheaper or at least the same cost (free) as an RV dump. I recommend composting, but that isn't an option for everyone that's for sure. Would be nice to see an infrastructure that accommodated composting waste instead of using bunches of water, time, and money for a sewage treatment plant.

You use less water with a sawdust bucket; hauling and storing water sucks. Water is heavy and sloshy and it likes to freeze when it can. Sawdust doesn't slosh around. A small child can empty a 5 gallon bucket of sawdust after being filled with waste. A small child would not be able to empty a porta potty or empty a holding tank. Holding tanks also require drain hoses (that get nasty) that take up space with stored. 5 gallon buckets, while taking up space, are a cleaner, more environmentally friendly option.

If you have access to tree bark that you could break up or tree moss, you could gather your own carbon material for covering up your waste. That may be an option for a select few.

Fixing plumbing sucks. That is hard work. Replacing a holding tank is expensive, too. When a 5 gallon bucket breaks, you just get a new one. If a bag tears, you put a new one in. I like simple and cheap as long as it works. In this case, buckets work better than trying to adapt household plumbing to an RV type setting.

I wouldn't want to stay at a place that required an RV style toilet. Seems like living in a place that has an HOA. Not my cup of tea.
 
A macerator pump allows you to pump out into sewer clean outs or toilets with a garden hose. I had one in my Class A. Was great. Unroll the hose, pass it into a toilet, flip the switch. Dump a bucket of water in the RV toilet when it is done, pump that through, then turn it off, screw the cap on the end, and roll up the hose.
A porcelain toilet bowl is also much easier to keep clean. I think a lot of people don't use RV toilets properly. You gotta fill them with some water before you drop a deuce. If not, you get a mess. if you do, it flushes clean.
 
I too was going to suggest that you simply put a garbage bag into the bowl of the existing toilet in the van. That's what I'd do. In fact that's just what my family did any time the plumbing broke in the run down shack in the hills we grew up in.
Using what you've already got means less junk to store and the option to switch back if you don't like the bucket-type method.
As for cold weather, it's easy enough to insulate pipes against the cold.

I've been using a flushable port-potty for a while now, but I don't live in the van, so dumping it is easy. I have, however, been looking for something simpler and less stinky for longer trips on the road. I like the Lugable-Loo idea for its ease of dumping, but the bags they sell for it are expensive! (6 bags for $9?!). It's nice to know there are alternatives, like the 13 gallon compostable bags with sawdust in them. That would bring the cost down considerably.
 
We bag the toilet in the trailer. The bags don't take up as much room and you save a huge amount of water not having to flush it. It also means we have twice the grey water holding capacity.
 
all of the LTVA's require you to be self contained or camp within a certain distance from a outhouse. however not all LTVA's have outhouses. there are other opportunities for other long term camping on public land, but they all require you to be self contained. a bucket is not considered self contained, a black and grey is tank is self contained. highdesertranger
 
HDR, do you think you just have to HAVE the "self contained" system, or are you actually forced to USE it? You know, the toilet police!?!?!?
 
well I guess if you don't get caught then it's ok, right. when I first encountered this, I purchased the equipment to comply. I am about the biggest anti big brother there is, but I also don't like to be hassled for not being in compliance. highdesertranger
 
I have been using a bucket composting toilet for many years. When it is time to dump it is easy, looks like damp sawdust and doesn't smell bad! I used a Port a potty for a while and didn't really like dumping and cleaning it out! I've used rv toilets, if you're in cold climates the holding tank will freeze. And another mistake people make with rv holding tank when in an rv park they will leave the valve open thinking everything will drain out, only the liquid drains out the solids stay in the holding tank and eventually plug it up and is very difficult to clean out!

Some commercial composting toilets:
http://natureshead.net
http://airheadtoilet.com/
These work better than a bucket because they have a 12v fan that vents the moisture to the out side of rv or van. Crap is mostly full of moisture and when the moisture is removed from it the toilet doesn't have to be dumped but maybe once a month. The pee tank will have to be dumped more often depending on how much it is used.
 
Spirituallifetime said:
Some commercial composting toilets:
http://natureshead.net
http://airheadtoilet.com/
These work better than a bucket because they have a 12v fan that vents the moisture to the out side of rv or van. Crap is mostly full of moisture and when the moisture is removed from it the toilet doesn't have to be dumped but maybe once a month. The pee tank will have to be dumped more often depending on how much it is used.

There's also another composting toilet available:
http://www.c-head.com/

I chose it over the natureshead one for a couple of reasons - it doesn't use a  proprietary liquid tank, just a one gallon jug that I can buy anywhere and throw in a shopping bag if necessary to carry to a toilet to empty. Second but also important was the price.

I've only been using it for a month now but so far I'm really impressed.

I buy pine shavings in the pet department of W/M and break it up into a 5 gallon bucket. One full pack just fits... :)

I chose the separating toilet over both plumbing in holding tanks and an RV toilet and using a porta potti. I've had both over the years and this is whole lot less trouble.
 
Hmmm... The venting should solve the smell problem. A lot of composting toilets do stink, but these two do make plenty of sense. The Airhed seems to be the better of the two, given the tank does not need to be opened when taking the pee bottle out.

Coffee filters? LOL.
 
 I can't speak to the advisability of pulling out the existing toilet other than you would have to store it, etc. Do you have storage space or will you have some while on the road?
If the issue does come up for storage and then reinstallation for resale of the vehicle....the seals will need to be replaced as they could potentially be dry rotted after storage of a used RV toilet.
There are ways to lubricate the seals and then enclose in plastic and box up and store in climate control storage....but a used toilet could be a potentially shiatty job.
OP whatever your choice which there are many ways to do the do and great suggestions here...Good luck and safe travels!
 
Dropping a deuce in it once and a while tends to keep it lubricated... Just sayin :dodgy:
 
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