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Running the microwave will require a 2000 watt pure sine wave inverter. The 245 watts might be enough but just two batteries may or may not work. When you apply a 100 amp load to the battery the voltage drops like a rock. I have 4 golf carts and when I run the microwave they drop from over 13 volts to right at 12 volts. If you only have two batteries it could easily drop to 11.6 and your inverter probably won't run on that.

Once the micro goes off it picks right up to 12.6 because a short run doesn't take much power.
Bob
 
The largest 12v batteries that I know of commonly is a 8-D ranging up to 250 Ah. I am not sure you can get them in a true deep cycle like a 6 volt golf cart battery, more of a marine battery as far as plate thickness goes. I use a FLA 8-D starting battery to power our inverter for a few years.

The ones I bought are Lifeline AGM's. They have 225 Ah, weigh 157 lbs, have very specific charging instructions and cost near $700 new.
 
I am truly impressed with the Lifeline GPL-31XT I am using as a project battery for a friend. Last night it gobbled up 100 amps from an alternator like a Kid in a candy store. The alternator temp shot upto 220F while the oil and coolant temps were still sub 155F.

Twice I have depleted the Lifeline to 50% state of charge, and voltage rebounded much higher than lifeline's dictated 12.19v at 50%. Everything about Lifeline AGM construction is top quality. No corners were cut in design or construction, and yes, their price reflects that.

But they are a High amp recharge battery. They crave high amperage and will not do good on a low and slow solar only recharge regimen. Feed them a minimum of 20 amps for every 100AH capacity when they are depleted. Hold 14.4v until amps taper to 0.5 per 100AH of capacity.

Using wet maintenance free batteries in Deep cycle applications is a serious compromise.

Maintenance free flooded batteries is simply a marketing ploy aimed at the Lazy and deficient who would never change their oil if it were not a prerequisite for maintaining warranty.

Sealed Wet batteries use a higher percentage of calcium in the plate paste and as such use less water.

They still use water though, and manufacturers expect the battery to live outs its lifespan before water loss exposes the plates. Thats your maintenance free. Failure expected before maintenance necessary.

In a repetitive deep cycle application with proper charging, a maintenance free sealed Wet battery( not an AGM) is a very poor choice.

Unless of course your response as to when the last time you changed your oil, your response was:
'Changed it to What?'

In that case, carry on, nothing matters anyway.
 
cowboy as far as horses on blm/forest service, all live stock must be contained in a pen. most people use a hot wire fence. all feed must be certified weed free, most people use pellets. most areas prohibit grazing of livestock on meadows. there are a few more localized regulations I suggest going to the specific website for the area you wish to visit. you have to pay attention about crossing state lines with livestock, certain states demand certain vaccines and vet papers, always pay attention to that. no one wants to deal with a quarantine. I will tell you this, make sure you do the weed free feed and can prove it, the blm/fs has a hard on for this lately(last ten years). hope this helps, happy trails. highdesertranger
 
Highvdesertranger. I know about the negative Coggins test and vet certificate of health. The weed free hay thing they accept pure alfalfa hay here in the east. My horse pickets and is extremely cslm, a picket is a hi line between trees. There is a special way you go around the tree so as to not damage it. The blm snd NF websites are really good at not having info available.
 
Just got back from Sam's Club. I can get a Duracel GC2 six volt with 20 amp hour rate of 215 for $84.52
So that's almost as cheap as a 12 volt marine! Would I have 230 amps the way yall talk about solar with two of these connected to make a 12 volt?
 
The Duracell GC-2's are miles ahead of any 12v marine dual purpose battery in a deep cycle application.  Much more tolerant of chronic undercharging, much easier to recharge and in general much longer lived.


The only advantage of 12v batteries, is of one can fit 3 batteries, or is powering high amp draw devices like microwaves.  Golf cart batteries have low CCa ratings, as they are not designed for starting duties.  High CCA ratings are good for powering huge loads.  they will hold higher voltage under those loads.

But from a Deep cycling perspective, two Flooded batteries of the same size and voltage, the one with a lower CCA rating, will be the better deep cycle battery, as it has thicker denser more durable plates.  Thinner porous plates are good for quick bursts, but are fragile and prone to sulfation, and the process of desulfating via equalization or high amp recharge rates can cause the starter battery plates to shed material.

The Duracell GC-2's are No trojan T-105, but they will blow away ANY 12v flooded battery, all other factors being equal, in a deep cycle application.

That price is good.  Look for the date codes, and see if a manufacturer, like East Penn/Deka or Johnson controls is listed.

I'd choose East penn over JC if given a choice.  I'd avoid Exide.  Crown and USbattery also make top notch Golf cart 6v batteries.

Crown, trojan, USbattery and East Penn all seek to get all golf course business and put huge efforts in increasing cycle life.

Trojan ans USbattery practically goto war over this, So while lead acid batteries is ancient technology, it is not fully mature.  They are tweaking plate paste formulations just to get an edge over each other, and their formulations and processes are closely guarded secrets.

  They don't put 1/5th the effort into 12v batteries.

Anybody who can fit  the taller 2 GC batteries in series but instead chooses 2 12v marine batteries in parallel, is making an unwise decision, 99% of the time.

Most of the 12v batteries which are marketed as a true deep cycle, which are few and far between and much more expensive, still can't compare to a 6v golf cart battery in durability.

A pair of GC batteries in series has about 950 to 1200 CCA which is more than enough for all but large diesel engines in cold weather climates. deep cycle batteries are not damaged by starting engines, as some people like to believe. it is just that they were not designed for providing large short bursts of energy, and are not ideal for that purpose, especially when weight is a consideration
 
That's a lot of good info Sternwake. The 6 volt batteries at Sam's Club are Duracell. Are they good ones?

When I took my truck camper to Quartzsite year before I had a 600 watt microwave output that needed 900 watt input. I used one 12 volt marine true deep cycle and it worked good. I still have it and use it when I go on weekend trailride with the horses. I also use a small 4 cup drip coffee maker. I just bought a 700 watt microwave at Walmart this week for $29.00 and it works good too on my Krieger 1500 watt invert3r. The new microwave draws 950 watts. Do you think the two golf cart batteries will run it? My 12 volt goes from 12.6 to 11.7 while the microwave runs but bounces right back up to 12.6 when it stops running. By the way I used a HF inverter b4 and it was noisy for the microwave. This Krieger runs the microwave very quiet.
 
Oops I just saw Bob's post wsy up there. So my microwave is going to be very marginal on either one 12 volt marine or two golf cart then. But the 2 golf carts have so much more amps? So could I hook my 12 volt marine up with a switch and add it into the mix for microwaving? I use it for the camper 12 volt system for lights, water pump, and cigarette lighter charging of cell phone and tablet. I am going to run the 110 volt camper stuff off the solar and GF batteries with the inverter. I intend to occasionally charge the 12 volt off the solar system. For what it does there is hardly any battery used and b4 I just charged it once a week with the generator. I am not hailing that generator any more! Gonna have a solar system! Yea!!
 
I do not know who make the Duracell branded GC batteries. Duracell on a 12v battery, is just a sticker. Rebranded. Same with interstate, Interstate is a battery marketer, they manufacture no batteries.

Marine and true deep cycle should not be in the same sentence, unless it is a trojan scs series, and even then their construction does not come close to golf cart batteries in Deep cycle duty

The GCs should run the microwave fine. GC batteries do bleed off more voltage under higher loads than 12v marine batteries, same as marine batteries would bleed off more voltage compared to a starter battery.

But when cycled deeply the GCs will last 1000 cycles, the marine battery 250, and the starter battery maybee 50
 
Oneleggedcowboy said:
Oops I just saw Bob's post wsy up there. So my microwave is going to be very marginal on either one 12 volt marine or two golf cart then. But the 2 golf carts have so much more amps?  So could I hook my 12 volt marine up with a switch and add it into the mix for microwaving? I use it for the camper 12 volt system for lights, water pump, and cigarette lighter charging of cell phone and tablet. I am going to run the 110 volt camper stuff off the solar and GF batteries with the inverter.  I intend to occasionally charge the 12 volt off the solar system. For what it does there is hardly any battery used and b4 I just charged it once a week with the generator. I am not hailing that generator any more! Gonna have a solar system! Yea!!

since you said the microwave runs off that inverter then I'd say yes you can power it with two GC2 batteries. BUT!
Make sure your batteries are healthy and that your wiring is on the big side. I have run a shop vac for 10 minutes off my pair that was pulling 1100watts. 
As Bob said the Voltage dropped but the batteries did there job. 
I think I'm a bit small on my wiring, should have just went larger than what I calculated. I run #2 wire less than 6 feet. MY jumper between batteries is also #2

If I do rewire later I'd go #0 on all of the wire from the battery out to devices.
 
You are invaluable with info dternwake, thsnks!

My panel is a used REC Peak Energy 245PE
it has a Open Circuit Voltage 36.6
Short Circuit Current of 8.75
With a Mppt Eco Worthy controller how many amps would yall estimate I would get flat mounted. I am unable to climb around tilting the thing. How well would this do compared to the 200 watt kits with a mppt controller?
 
A guess on amps - and it's only a guess...

A 245 watt panel might produce about 212 actual (max). Divide that by 14.5 volts (charging) gives about 14.6 amps under ideal conditions using an MPPT controller. Less for flat mounted panels. How much you actually get will depend on various factors such as, but not limited to, how far you run your batteries down and whether or not your charger goes into bulk charging, or not, shade, clouds, wiring, controller, whether or not you're using an inverter.... YMMV
 
Another guess with a 200 watt kit: 11.7 amps max under ideal conditions
 
Ok so I can deal with that. The 200 watt kits would only produce about 11 ps under ideal conditions so mounted flat etc they would probably only produce about 8 amps. So I am still way ahead because the 11.7 amps under not ideal is larger plus I might get closer to 14.5 sometimes? Does that make sense?
 
Happy happy 2 steppin dance!!! Won the bid on one of the new Chinese Eco Worthy looking MPPT controllers it's the 2015 model and it says it has a equalization setting! That's new, still no temperature sensor but since the batteries and controller will be be side by side in the same area, inside the slide in with me, I don't think temperature sensor matters. I got it for $85 with free shipping. On a slow boat from China but hey its all good!
 
Cool!

I have been hoping to find someone with the new model. Good job on winning the auction. Ya just can't beat $85 with shipping on any other MPPT controller. ( not a real one anyways.

Do you have a link to the auction or better yet, the manual?
 
Hey Jim no I don't have a manual it will be with the controller. I don't know how to do links. Look on ebay and search for..... 20 amp mppt solar controller. It's the black one and it has the flange with bolt holes at the bottom instead of the sides. In the specs it says it has equalization. I asked the seller if it did and they said yes but you know how that sometimes go south. It's hopefully going to be a real one and not a fake. You look it up and let me know what you think.

Now I need to figure how to mount it. I been thinking about 2x4s across my rack on the roof of the slide in csmper. Then mount the panel crossways long ways and put hinges on the front edge and L brackets on the back edge so if I ever want to tilt it I can for more amps or to clean under it. I can stand on the ladder that goes up to the roof and reach to tilt it. My plan is like yours " have enough amps to not need to tilt".
 

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