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I haven't had a chance to post anything in a while.  I've mainly been trying to improve and upgrade things as I have the funds to do so.  I got a good deal on a small solar panel and added it to the roof.  I cut down pieces of angle bracket and used them to hold the panel down.  They are attached to the luggage rack with pipe clamps.  You can't see it but there is foam cushioning all around the panel. Will get a much bigger panel later when I can afford it, but this will help until then. 
 
I got a newer mini-fridge for the van.  It did okay on its own, but it took a long time to cool down, which used alot of power.  I built a bank of cooling fans to attach to the back of it next to the compressor.  It helps the fridge to cool down much faster.  I also added one small fan to the inside of the fridge to circulate the air.  Between the two sets of fans it made a huge difference in how fast the fridge cools down.  It made it much more efficient which means the compressor runs a whole lot less which save alot of power.  I also added the dual temperature sensor to the van. It is able to tell me the temperature in the van as well as the temperature inside the fridge.  It also has a battery readout so I have an idea what the charge on the batteries is like any time. It attaches to the top of the fridge with a magnet.  All the storage pieces on the fridge are attached by magnets as well.  The two-burner stove stores on top of it to save space. 
 
I had been wanting to add a house battery to the back.  I really wanted AGM batteries, but just couldn't afford them.  Just after I got the solar panel installed I found a really good deal on small AGM batteries.  They are mainly used for power wheel chairs.  They are only 35Ah each but they were on clearnace.  Ended up getting four of them for $60.  That gave me the equivalent of a 140Ah battery.  I would have bought more but that was all they had left.  Made a rack for them to sit on behind the driver's seat.  Put them there so it would be as close as possible to all the inverters.  Plus it makes wiring changes really easy.  So far, they are doing really well.  When I get a chance, I may add one more large AGM battery to have a total of somewhere around 250Ah capacity. 
 
I'm always looking for ways to make the van better.  I found a 17 inch flat screen monitor with no cords or power supply for $5 at a thrift store.  I work on computers in my spare time so I had all the cords and parts needed to get it up and running.  I ordered a tv tuner off of ebay for $15.  With a little bit of creative wiring, it can receive cable, over the air tv signals, and can be hooked up to the dvd player.  The laptop can also attach to it too.  It is huge compared to the 9 inch tv I had in its place before.  I sent the audio output to an fm transmitter so I can listen to it over the vans radio and speaker system. 
 
<span style="color: #008000;"><strong><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;">Wow, Patrick! <img src="/images/boards/smilies/thumb.gif" alt="" align="absmiddle" border="0" /></span></strong></span><br /><br /><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;">How great that you have the skills to make lemonade (and lemon cheescake) out of the lemons you harvest. <img src="/images/boards/smilies/idea.gif" alt="" align="absmiddle" border="0" />&nbsp;<img src="/images/boards/smilies/comp.gif" alt="" align="absmiddle" border="0" />&nbsp;<img src="/images/boards/smilies/biggrin.gif" alt="" align="absmiddle" border="0" /></span></strong></span><br /><br /><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;">Bob</span></strong></span>
 
coultergeist said:
<p>Thanks. I really appreciate it.&nbsp; It has been a lot of hard work.&nbsp; I realized while I was organizing things today that I had not ever posted pictures of the bed folded out and ready to be used.&nbsp; These should give a good idea of how it looks in use and the amount of space it takes up.&nbsp; It is actually pretty comfortable.&nbsp; Padding is two portable crib mattresses covered with three layers (4.5 inches total) of memory foam.</p>
<br /><br />How long and wide is this bed? You are&nbsp;doing&nbsp;fantastic work! Never thought of using a crib&nbsp;mattress...
 
Bob: I appreciate it.&nbsp; It has been alot of thought and effort to get it the way it is.&nbsp; I was in the army for ten years and the unofficial motto is "Adapt and Overcome".&nbsp; You have to learn to make do with whatever situation and materials you have on hand and still get things done.&nbsp; It is a philosophy that has come in very handy with this van.&nbsp; Just about every thing in it had to be fabricated or modified in some way to make it fit or work the best.&nbsp; <br /><br />She: The bed is 24 inches wide by 6 feet, 6 inches long when folded out and being used.&nbsp; Folded up, it stores in about a 2 foot by 2 foot space.&nbsp; It is a comfortable size for me.&nbsp; It wouldn't hurt to be a little wider, but I wanted to leave space between it and the cabinets when it was being used.&nbsp; It makes it easier to get dressed and I wanted to be able to open the cabinets under the microwave since that is where my clothes and toiletries are stored.&nbsp; Regular crib mattresses are an odd size to use, but Portable crib mattresses are typically 2 feet by just over 3 feet in size.&nbsp; Two of them together are a nearly perfect fit for this bed.&nbsp; If you get them, you want to get ones that are as firm as possible.&nbsp; The soft ones are way too soft and you sink right into them.
 
Another thing I worked on recently was the air conditioner ducting.&nbsp; I originally made an adapter that fit in the driver's window when I wanted to use the A/C.&nbsp;It is shown in an earlier post.&nbsp; It worked really well, but it wasn't very stealthy and&nbsp;it got kind of old having&nbsp;to put it in and take it out.&nbsp; &nbsp;I decided I needed a way to have the A/C exhaust hose permanently attached.&nbsp; I looked at alot of different ideas, but the best approach was the most direct.&nbsp; I cut a 4 inch diameter hole in the floor of the van close to the front passenger seat.&nbsp; I bolted a plumbing flange into the hole and sealed the edges.&nbsp; A rubber pipe adapter attaches to that and then the exhaust hose attaches to it.&nbsp; It is airtight in use.&nbsp; When the A/C isn't in the van, I have a plug that fits into the flange to completely seal it off so that no gases can get into the vehicle.&nbsp;
 
It was really hot this past summer where I live.&nbsp; I had been looking for ways to keep the van cooler.&nbsp; I did a number of different things.&nbsp; They all helped to varying degrees.&nbsp; All the rear windows were tinted with the darkest tint possible and the interior of each window was covered with reflectix.&nbsp; I also made reflectix panels for the front windows that could be put in when parked.&nbsp; That helped a good bit, but it was still pretty toasty inside.&nbsp; I decided to make use of the exhaust port I had installed for the A/C.&nbsp; I made a wooden adapter and&nbsp;attached the&nbsp;largest computer cooling fan I had to it.&nbsp; It slides onto the A/C exhaust hose and plugs into the cigarette lighter.&nbsp; I keep the two front windows cracked open an inch or so.&nbsp; It made a bigger difference than everything else put together.&nbsp; It draws in cooler air from under the van and allows the hotter air to rise and vent through the open windows.&nbsp; The temperature in the van easily dropped by 20 degrees the day I put it in.&nbsp; In the picture you see it sitting on top of the air conditioner but the exhaust hose is fairly long and it can be positioned in lots of different places to get the best airflow.
 
A cleanable screen on the intake will keep the bugs and mice from clogging up the coils <img src="/images/boards/smilies/wink.gif" alt="" align="absMiddle" border="0" /><br /><br />And wont there be some heat build up under the van ?<br /><br /><img src="/images/boards/smilies/thumb.gif" alt="" align="absMiddle" border="0" /><img src="/images/boards/smilies/thumb.gif" alt="" align="absMiddle" border="0" /><img src="/images/boards/smilies/thumb.gif" alt="" align="absMiddle" border="0" />
 
<p>I mainly used the fan to draw in air after the van was parked so that it wouldn't get too hot during the day.&nbsp; The incoming air will be a little warmer for a few minutes after you park it due to exhaust pipe heat and so forth, but it cools off quick.&nbsp; Under the van is permanently in the shade, so even in the hottest part of the day, the incoming air was pretty cool compared to outside temperature and it did a good job of keeping the interior temperature much cooler than it would otherwise be.&nbsp;</p>
 
Interesting build you have going on. &nbsp;A question that keeps popping up in my mind is how you intend to power the A/C, and the 120 V/ac fridge? &nbsp;I think your &nbsp;small AGM house bank will power the fridge only, for 12 to 15 hours. &nbsp;What is it's rated amperage/ wattage, and how much does it run per hour ( duty cycle) once cooled down? <br /><br />&nbsp;A large inverter on that small battery bank could run the 8000 btu AC for perhaps 10 minutes, if that. &nbsp;Even if your engine were running, the alternator could not &nbsp;fully power that load and you will deplete the engine battery too.<br /><br />Definitely insulate that tube to the exterior, and rig up a drain. &nbsp;I used one of those portable &nbsp;AC models in Florida in the summer and it filled the condensate trap every 3 hours. &nbsp;Did not make for good sleep.<br /><br />Some Ziplocks of water in the freezer compartment will reduce duty cycle after they freeze.<br /><br />While many have successfully used inverters to power residential fridges, they usually find that it uses way too much power. &nbsp;Even if you have an inverter that has a standby mode, those fridges are power hungry, and many do not like vehicular motion and vibrations and fail prematurely. &nbsp;Do rig up a method to hold the door shut during hard turns.<br /><br />Do your additional fans run only when the compressor is running? &nbsp;I bet those 4 fans &nbsp;running for an hour, together, will consume almost as much energy as a 1.7 cubic foot DC compressor fridge will in an hour.<br /><br />I hope you can make the residential fridge work for you. &nbsp;If you plug into the grid regularly &nbsp;it will be easier, but if you depend on only battery power, you are going to need a serious recharging source. Well in excess of 130 watts of solar, just for the fridge.<br /><br />Do not think the alternator is sufficient. &nbsp;It actually charges batteries very slowly, even if steps are taken to maximize it's output into the house battery bank. &nbsp;Idling the engine to recharge the batteries is the very definition of inefficiency.<br /><br />In terms of a front loading DC compressor fridge, the following link is about the cheapest you will find. &nbsp;These fridges will use 2.5 to 6 times less electricity than your residential fridge on an inverter.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.truckfridge.com/tf49.html">http://www.truckfridge.com/tf49.html<br /><br /></a>Some trucker websites offer a slightly cheaper price and free shipping.<br /><br />Generally, in sunny environments, 60 watts of solar is enough to run these smaller DC compressor fridges indefinitely. &nbsp;Get a fridge that uses a Danfoss compressor. &nbsp;Not Norcold/ Engel!! &nbsp;Unless you like noise and vibration.<br /><br />Chest type DC compressor fridges exist, and are slightly more efficient, and upto 150$ cheaper if you shop around.<br /><br />I bought my Vitrifrigo from this guy with free shipping: &nbsp;It arrives tomorrow. Whohoo!!<br /><a href="http://www.westyventures.com/parts.html#cart_restore">http://www.westyventures.com/parts.html#cart_restore</a><br /><br /><br />Having those fans funnel air &nbsp;directly through the condenser would be better. &nbsp;The faster you can remove heat from the condenser, the more efficient it will be. &nbsp;You do not want to recycle the heated air back there, but evacuate it from the area after a single pass through the condenser. &nbsp;Consider making a shroud to force the air where it needs to flow. &nbsp;The compressor itself does not need huge amounts of air flowing on it. &nbsp;If the condenser is cooler, the compressor will also run cooler, and less often.<br /><br />Black Tint on the windows will reduce the amount of &nbsp;heat making it through the glass directly from the sun, but the black windows heat up so much, they actually radiate incredible amounts of heat to the interior. &nbsp;The reflectix helps. &nbsp;A layer of black painted cardboard then the reflectix works better and keeps it stealthier.<br /><br />I have both, and later added black bungee cords around the window frames and travel with more pillows. &nbsp;During the day I use the bungees to hold the pillows up against the windows. &nbsp;This stops 99% of all window heat entering. All other solutions were nowhere near as effective for me, but did help retain heat at night come wintertime when I was using the pillows in bed.<br /><br />I've also considered pulling air in from under the van, but opt instead to pull in cool air from my sliding windows on the shady side of the Van.<br /><br />A roof exhaust vent in invaluable. &nbsp;Look into fantastik fan.<br /><br />Some have put a window AC unit low in the back door. &nbsp;With a little modification to a spare tire carrier you could do it fairly stealthily, but blocking airflow from the condenser will dramatically lower efficiency.<br /><br />Keep up the good work<br /><br /><br /><br />&nbsp;
 
wrcsixeight: Thanks for the advice and observations.&nbsp; The A/C is mainly used when I have shore power.&nbsp; I do have a generator, but I try not to use that unless I have to.&nbsp; Most of the time, it is fans that I rely on for cooling.&nbsp; That's why I have focused so much on keeping the interior cool.&nbsp; The fan that pulls air from under the van really does help alot.&nbsp; I need to keep the window tint.&nbsp; I can see outside if I pull off the reflectix without others being able to see in.&nbsp; I do like the idea of placing cardboard between the window and the reflectix.&nbsp; I'm sure that would help alot more.&nbsp; I would like to add a roof vent, but I really want to upgrade the solar panels to at least 200 watts and with the small size of the van that would only be possible without a vent.&nbsp; <br /><br />The fridge has so far worked out pretty well.&nbsp; My inverter has a wattage used display.&nbsp; When the compressor is running it draws about 60 watts at 110 volts. The fan inside the fridge that circulates the air runs continuously.&nbsp; It really helps to cool things down inside the fridge faster.&nbsp; The others are on a relay and only kick on when the compressor does.&nbsp; They are 0.1 amps each so altogether they are about 0.5 amps when they are running.&nbsp; I estimate the fridge runs about 1/3 of the time once it is initially cooled down.&nbsp; That puts it drawing somewhere around 3 amps/hour.&nbsp; The solar panel on top of the van right now is a 20 watt panel.&nbsp; It adds back about half of the power the fridge uses during the daytime.&nbsp; I drive about an hour total each day so that adds a little more back.&nbsp; Right now I have to charge the house battery bank about every three days.&nbsp; When I get the solar panel I want, it should be able to easily take care of the fridge indefinitely.&nbsp; I'm hoping to do that before Christmas.&nbsp;I think the idea about letting bags of water freeze will help too. I've noticed in the past that the more full the fridge was, the better it kept its temperature.&nbsp; It's not very obvious in the pictures but there is a rod at the top of the fridge that holds the door closed while in transit.&nbsp; Hearing the soda cans hitting the floor and rolling around in the back taught me that lesson pretty quick.<br /><br />There are no external coils on this fridge.&nbsp; It uses the outer skin for heat transfer, so you can't access the condenser directly.&nbsp; The compressor does heat up an awful lot.&nbsp; It has a thermal shutdown, so without adequate airflow, it will shut down before the fridge gets down to operating temperature.&nbsp; The fans are probably overkill, but they keep the compressor humming along well and they direct air under the fridge which helps to keep air moving around it and cool off the interior coils better.<br /><br />I do need to insulate the A/C exhaust hose.&nbsp; It heats up a fair amount while the A/C is going and is actually adding some heat back into the van.&nbsp; Insulating it would make a pretty big difference.&nbsp; <br /><br />My original plan had me using a window type A/C in the back modified to vent through the back door, but it would have taken up too much valuable storage space.&nbsp; Also, I can take out the portable A/C out during winter when it isn't needed and have more free space. <br /><br />I really appreciate all the suggestions.&nbsp; If you think of anything else, please let me know.&nbsp; I am always trying to improve and make things better.&nbsp; If anybody has any questions about how anything is done, just let me know and I will help any way I can.<br /><br />Patrick
 
Interesting that your Fridge has no visible condenser. &nbsp;I 've been researching fridges greatly over the last 2 weeks, and basically the consensus is the better you can remove heat from the condenser, the more efficient it will be. &nbsp;I guess they are not concerned about efficiency with a 120 volt fridge so much as keeping the price down and ease of manufacturing.<br /><br />Here is the working end of a Vitrifrigo c51iS I should have in my possession tomorrow. &nbsp;Come on Fedex!<br />
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<br /> The condenser has a 92 mm &nbsp;36 cfm fan pulling air through it and onto the compressor. &nbsp;I have plans to greatly increase &nbsp;cool air into this compartment and through the condenser &nbsp;and out of this area using less amperage than the 92 mm fan.&nbsp;<br /><br />I do think your estimates of battery consumption are a little conservative though. &nbsp;Inverters are generally only 85% efficient, even if they claim otherwise, and if it does not have the rest/ standby mode then they can consume a great amount of energy just waiting to be ready for the fridge to cycle back on.<br /><br />My 800 watt inverter uses 0.9 amps just turned on, powering nothing. &nbsp;My failed fridge used about 1 amp per hour when averaged over 24 hours, and supposedly my new fridge will be less than that.<br /><br />Some aluminum finned heat sinks attached to the compressor and back wall should make the fans more effective and increase compressor life. &nbsp;If you find some larger computer fans for cheap/free, they generally move more air for less noise and wattage consumed. The ratings on the fans are not really to be believed either, they will double their consumption when old and are about to fail.&nbsp;<br /><br />A roof exhaust fan is pretty mandatory in my opinion. &nbsp;I started out small with a 4 inch marine &nbsp;solar powered vent, but now have a stacked variable speed fan up there. &nbsp;Here is a thread showing some of my modifications:<br /><a href="/post/89-Dodge-Camper-conversion-6012222">https://vanlivingforum.com/post/89-Dodge-Camper-conversion-6012222<br /><br /><br /></a>With custom fit reflectix &nbsp;tight fitting window shades in my front windows, I can keep my white van at or below ambient temperatures on the hottest of days, at least until the temps start dropping in late afternoon. <br /><br />Perhaps this smaller roof vent can fit into your plans for a lot of Solar. &nbsp;I have 198 watts on my roof. &nbsp;You can get one large 230 watt panel with a MPPt charge controller in the middle of your roof and still have room for a fantastic fan. &nbsp;Keeping the interior cool greatly reduces load on the fridge, and evacuating hot air from the roof is much more effective than sucking in cold air from the floor. &nbsp;With both, you'll be laughing.<br /><br />I wasn't recommending removing the dark tint, not at all, just pointing out that it is not really good at keeping the interior cooler because the windows themselves get so hot and the reflectix is pretty much overwhelmed in a short period of time. &nbsp; Foam fac My IR thermometer gun has measured 165.5 degrees on the window itself and 78 degrees on the pillow facing the interior of the Van.<br /><br />Well, happy converting<br /><br /><br />
 
Thanks for posting your pictures. It helps me get an idea for my project once I get it off the ground. It will likely be similar.<br /><br />I'd recommend you store your knives differently though. They'll become projectiles in an accident.
 
Thanks HWJ.&nbsp; I'm glad it helped you.&nbsp; If you have any questions or need to know any measurements let me know.&nbsp;
 
WOW! You are doing a FANTASTIC job! <img src="/images/boards/smilies/smile.gif" alt="" align="absmiddle" border="0" /> <br /><br />
coultergeist said:
&nbsp; The coleman camping sink I got does a really good job.&nbsp;
<br />Where did you find that? Can you do all the dishes well enough in it? Does it have it's own fresh and grey water tanks? <br />-Bruce
 
Ballenxj: I ordered the coleman camp sink from Walmart.com and had it shipped to the store for free.&nbsp; Some stores do stock it but none in my area did.&nbsp; It does really well.&nbsp; It holds its own water supply.&nbsp; It has a battery powered pump and sprayer as part of it.&nbsp; Comes with two basins, the water resorvoir with pump and sprayer, and a dish rack.&nbsp; All the pieces nest together when not being used.&nbsp; I got it because there just wasn't really enough room in the van to have a built in sink.&nbsp; It stores in a pretty small space and can be pulled out just when needed. I don't remember exactly how much it was, but it was around $30.&nbsp; I spent a little more and got the rechargeable battery pack for it so I wouldn't have to keep replacing batteries.&nbsp; It runs for several weeks on a single charge.&nbsp; You can use D size batteries if you prefer.&nbsp; I recommend it for anyone who doesn't have room for a built in sink.&nbsp;
 
Thank You. I can now add that sink to my list of possible options as I try and decide what to do in my van. <img src="/images/boards/smilies/smile.gif" alt="" align="absmiddle" border="0" /> <br />-Bruce
 
You're welcome.&nbsp; Glad I could help.&nbsp; If there's anything else I can help with, just let me know.&nbsp;
 
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