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Hi Duckie!

Having just spent four months in my PW, here is what I would ditch and why.

Why all the large water bottles?  They take up lots of space.  I carried two each one gallon jugs.  And you have a fresh water tank?  I used the gallon jugs while on the road, the fresh tank can be filled just before arriving at your destination. They fit nicely in that space between the couch/bed and the cabinetry in front of it.

The laundry basket.  Too big!  If you need something to haul stuff in, can you get something collapsible? That folds flat?  I also use the mesh bag for laundry.  It lives on the driver's seat when parked.

The five gallon bucket.  I have a collapsible basin, takes up almost no space, lives on the closet floor, and works for me.  I do carry a small bucket that fits under the sofa.  It holds all cleaning supplies when not in use.  Maybe it's two gallons?

I store the pieces of reflectix near whatever window they fit.  The rear side windows at either end of the sofa/bed are always left in place on the window with the curtains down.  Don't need those windows for driving and ensures privacy.  The two pieces for the rear doors I slip down between the ends of the sofa and the wall, just below that side window. Left door on the left side, right door on the right side.  When I'm ready to park, they're right there and no wondering which is which.  The ones for the front doors go behind the driver's seat.  I do not roll them up.  They take up no space and are handy to wherever they are used.

No trash cans.  I have one of those "bracelet" things made from parachute cord (?).  I run it through the "handles" of plastic grocery bags, and clip it around/hang it from the handle bar by the entry steps.  Convenient to the kitchen and I can easily reach it from outside.

Tent?  Why?

I do have a small shovel and a saw.  Used them very little but one of those "when you need it, you really need it" things.

Bedding.  This is a very personal thing.  But all bedding stays on the bed all the time, never stored (takes up too much space).  But here is what I do and works for me.  First, I'm solo so I never put the sofa down.  I placed a piece of 4" upholstery foam on the sofa seat, cut to fit, wrapped in a king sized fitted sheet so the foam wouldn't stick to or damage the leather over time.  On top of that, I placed a king comforter so that it covers the seat and goes up over the back of the sofa, covering the entire thing.  On top of that, I fold a king top sheet in half, laid on top of the comforter like a sleeping bag.  I have a lighter weight blanket that is folded and laid over the comforter over the sofa back.  If it's warm, I sleep using just the top sheet like a sleeping bag.  If cool, I grab the light weight blanket and pull it over me.  If cold, I grab the part of the comforter that covers the sofa back and pull that over me.  This can easily be done without leaving the bed.  And I leave it all in place and just sit on it like a sofa during the day.  Hope this makes sense to you.

Sounds like you're getting ready to head out!  Woo hoo!
 
Yeah, I forgot the saw, (I have to write everything down). Good stuff here Stargazer.
 
And just to add these thoughts:

If it's so heavy that I can't safely lift it alone, it's not going.  I find a replacement that's smaller, lighter!  A five gallon bucket filled with stuff will need to be lifted one way or another, if just to get it on the wheeled carrier.  As for sitting on it, meh!  I carry a bag chair.  Which I fold up and slide under the van at night or when it threatens rain to keep it dry.  If your ice chest is large, how will you empty it?  Mine is small, I wish it could be larger but I live with it.  I found a container for dog food that fits behind the driver's seat.  It's made for pouring, like cereal? And the larger bag goes on the front passenger seat floor.

Dog.  I haven't used a crate but my little 20 pound furry friend, who is just not comfortable belted into the front passenger seat, found her own hidey hole while we're driving.  When the sofa is in the upright position, there is a space between it and the side bench seat that is just right for her.  She found it on her own and whenever I start the engine, she goes in there.  It's like a crate and is probably as safe as anything else since she's surrounded on all but one side.  I put her bed pad in there and that has worked so far.  Don't know how big Max is?  But maybe take a look and see if he would like that?

Later!
 
I keep remembering other stuff...

Some kind of tape!  I use guerilla tape.  (Duct tape is for sissies, lol.). Take a very close look at your window screens.  The ones at the ends of the sofa don't quite fit snugly and the first night, I had dozens of little flying bugs attracted to the lights.  I taped over the very small gaps around the window screens on the inside and that helped tremendously!

Also, one of these:

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Folding-...50034&wl11=online&wl12=38437780&wl13=&veh=sem

I use this folding step all the time.  To reach things, obviously. But also as an ottoman to put my feet up, as a side table outdoors for a drink, cell phone, book, whatever.  I use it as an extra seat, not great but better 
than sitting on the ground.  I place it at the bottom of the entry steps sometimes because the lay of the land can be strange and that bottom step can be a little high for comfort.  It folds flat and lives behind the driver's seat.
 
Stargazer said:
Why all the large water bottles?  They take up lots of space.  I carried two each one gallon jugs.  And you have a fresh water tank?  I used the gallon jugs while on the road, the fresh tank can be filled just before arriving at your destination. 

The laundry basket.  Too big!  If you need something to haul stuff in, can you get something collapsible? That folds flat?  I also use the mesh bag for laundry.  It lives on the driver's seat when parked.

I store the pieces of reflectix near whatever window they fit. 

Tent?  Why?

I do have a small shovel and a saw.  Used them very little but one of those "when you need it, you really need it" things.

Sounds like you're getting ready to head out!  Woo hoo!

I got the large water bottles because I have a goal of being able to stay at camp for two weeks at a time without needing to go into town for supplies, water, gas, tank dump, trash disposal, propane, etc.  Water needs are yet to be determined but the general rule of 1 gallon per day sounds like a great place to start.  I will need it for my dog, drinking, cooking, coffee etc so 14 days is 14 gallons.  My 4 3-gal jugs will store 12-gal and I will use the freshwater tank for the occasional glorious shower over a 2 week period.  I'll get maybe 4 showers and the rest will be sponge bath.  I'm actually still short of water a little bit but this is just a starting place.

Agreed the laundry basket is too big but it is needed to haul those water bottles when full from the water station to the van and also when I can get firewood I'll need it.  It may hold laundry in the drivers seat, that may be the one thing I'll keep over there.  I like to have a fast escape if I need or want it.

I like that idea with the reflectix too, may try that!

Tent.  In some places there is only tent-camping, park, go in and tent camp, and I may do that sometimes.  Also, there is more space in the tent than in the van, lol, so sometimes I may tent camp right next to the van.  Sometimes I may use it to store stuff from the van and stay in the van more.  I saw one of Bob's videos and thought, yeah, good idea.  Also, if the van needs to go into a shop, and I hate that very notion, the tent will in theory give me a place to stay if the people don't let me stay onsite.  Not doing hotels for weeks at a time.

I will look into a very small shovel and I have a very small saw that I can throw in, good catch.

I'm readying myself to go out but everytime I try, there's something else.  I do have the generator repair end of this month and that could take anywhere from 2 days to 4 weeks.  Also, in this very thread, I was alerted to the problem of what is likely leaky seals around the doghouse which is letting hot engine air in and making the floors way to hot up front.  I have not had a tune-up so I'm thinking if the spark plugs and such are right there I may bring it back in to my mechanic, who is pretty fast, and do a tune-up and alert him to the doghouse problem.  Bummer, but hey, grateful to know of the problem.  I really thought that must be normal, ha, wishful thinking.  But yes, after the generator repair, it's vamanos amigos.  Then a whole new set of fears will set in, lol, I'll be online asking questions or doing zen meditations but it's all worth it.  Thanks for being there.
 
Stargazer said:
Dog.  I haven't used a crate but my little 20 pound furry friend, who is just not comfortable belted into the front passenger seat, found her own hidey hole while we're driving.  When the sofa is in the upright position, there is a space between it and the side bench seat that is just right for her.  She found it on her own and whenever I start the engine, she goes in there.  It's like a crate and is probably as safe as anything else since she's surrounded on all but one side.  I put her bed pad in there and that has worked so far.  Don't know how big Max is?  But maybe take a look and see if he would like that?

Later!

Max is a little baby, 15 pounds.  I may experiment with that idea of letting him find a secure place, it would be great to lose the crate but they are hard to get in his size, only one company makes one that works for him that the airlines (emergencies only) will accept and I've been through that before of not having the right crate at the ready.  Also my driving still sucks, but it will get better.  I don't want him slamming around in the van, lol, no I'm not that bad but stopping short is enough to injure a dog imo.  Will hang onto for now.  Thanks for the ideas.
 
Ok, I returned the 11.5# tank today because how many places are going to fill that on the road?  Not many is my understanding.  So now what?

This would almost be a "minimalist" decision for me, but it's totally Not, I still want the camp stove and the heater buddy, but alas, they have to go.

So:

Nix the camp stove (the purpose was for intentional redundancy, cooking outside (which I love), and a way to cook when tent-camping).

Nix the Mr. Heater Buddy (the purpose was for intentional redundancy and saving my built-in propane for the fridge, and to have heat for up 2 weeks without having to pack up camp and seek out propane, and bc the RV furnace - while great - burns thru propane much too quickly)

Nix the milk crate and propane tank.  No longer a need for it.

Now I'm getting more room in the van.  Too bad the freedom of that does not feel very freeing.  A person with a bad back that is traveling solo that wants to boondock and stay camped in one spot for 2 weeks without packing up and going in for services better look at their propane needs, that's all I'm saying.  Aside from lining the walls like wall art with one pounders, I see no real solution.
 
There is no problem filling odd-sized bottles, not sure where you get that idea.
 
John61CT said:
There is no problem filling odd-sized bottles, not sure where you get that idea.

Thanks John.  I got that idea when it was challenging to find propane for the built-in tank.  I was pretty remote much of the time.  Sure I will have better luck out west.  And now, I know more places to look.  The guy I bought the 11.5# tank from at a local hardware store, great mom and pop place, also warned me it's not as easy as Walmart (and I would rather pay then exchange as well, like you said).  Also, in another thread, someone else also mentioned availability as an issue.  Fact is I am going to have to deal with it for the regular tank anyway.  If those same folks will fill my non-standard size tank, and if I can find them more easily now, it should be ok.  I need to be a better hunter, and you guys are giving me all that info.  There's reason to believe it will be ok.
 
Anyplace that fills the larger bottles "can" fill the 5 lb-ers..........The question is do they have a "price" for it ?

I visited my local ACE store with my new 5 lb tank........filled no problem AFTER I told him it was a #5........the problem occurred at the register......""How much gas....how many pounds.......compared to big tank.........(think..........think).........That will be $2.83"

They didn't make anything on me that day............................................
 
For every Walmart there's dozens of other sources in a given area.

Also, as I said you can pretty easily set yourself up to refill the small bottles from the bigger one, learn how to do so safely.
 
abnorm said:
Anyplace that fills the larger bottles "can" fill the 5 lb-ers..........The question is do they have a "price" for it ?

I visited my local ACE store with my new 5 lb tank........filled no problem AFTER I told him it was a #5........the problem occurred at the register......""How much gas....how many pounds.......compared to big tank.........(think..........think).........That will be $2.83"

They didn't make anything on me that day............................................

Good to know.  For me they will have to read it for the built-in tank anyway so they might as well read the smaller tank too and add em up - I'll remember that, and whomever helps me with the fill, I will be sure to ask for my numbers to help at the register.  Thanks!
 
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