The green New deal
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From the little I heard about it is you get paid whether you work or not.
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kygreg said:
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mpruet
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I wouldn't worry too much about this. There are far more interesting things to worry about.
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The oil and Gas industry in the United States will never ever let that happen.
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Agreed.
No question about it.
This teletubbie "green" idea is little more than a distraction.
We are going to rape the planet for every drop of petroleum before moving on.
Agent Smith said it best in the first Matrix movie;
"...Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus..."
No question about it.
This teletubbie "green" idea is little more than a distraction.
We are going to rape the planet for every drop of petroleum before moving on.
Agent Smith said it best in the first Matrix movie;
"...Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus..."
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I like how she is shaking up the goobers.
But alas it will never pass.
But alas it will never pass.
Please refrain from arguing about the political aspects of this issue so that the thread can stay open.
Here's the proposition for all who are curious about what it really says: https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/sit....gov/files/Resolution on a Green New Deal.pdf
Here's the proposition for all who are curious about what it really says: https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/sit....gov/files/Resolution on a Green New Deal.pdf
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Well, as always, there are people who cannot keep their mouths shut about their political opinions, and have to take the opportunity to preach at everyone whether they give a ratshit about it or not.
It's just one of many reasons why we can't have nice things.
Fortunately, this thread will inevitably be closed, and the politicos will have to find someplace else to preach.
It's just one of many reasons why we can't have nice things.
Fortunately, this thread will inevitably be closed, and the politicos will have to find someplace else to preach.
kygreg said:
In some ways, it may actually increase the number of vandwellers/boondockers.
Who is already used to mounting solar panels on top of their vehicles?
Vandwellers.
Who is willing to stay parked in the same place for two weeks at a time (which will hopefully be long enough to fully charge an electric vehicle, and at least enough to drive the required 25 miles between camping spots)?
Vandwellers.
Who spends a hell of a lot of time out in the desert where there is lots of sun?
Vandwellers.
The Green New Deal is not "Universal Basic Income." It emphasizes creating lots and lots of jobs with decent pay. Most of those jobs will have to do with installing solar.
Who already knows a lot about solar?
Vandwellers.
The Green New Deal will require lots of people to be willing to move around a lot, to where the work is.
Who is willing to move around a lot and won't have to pay to rent apartments or hotel rooms (so they can bank lots of money fast)?
Vandwellers.
Because the Green New Deal will pay salaries that are designed for people to be able to pay rent, and vandwellers don't pay rent, a vandweller can relatively quickly save up for one of those new, fancy electric vans that will be coming out as a result of the Green New Deal.
Who would absolutely love to not have to pay for the energy (gasoline) to get them to the next destination?
Yup. You guessed it: Vandwellers.
Now, some people may choose to stop vandwelling when they are finally able to get a decent job with decent pay. But, I think it will actually make it possible for more people to choose vandwelling if they want to. And have more money to live on, to boot.
It just boggles my mind how many people want to go back to the days when things were better, but don't want to do any of the things that made those days better. And mostly because they have been conned into hating the people who want to help them. One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result. Another definition is wanting to do almost exactly the opposite of what got you a desired result, while still complaining that you can't have said desired result.
The original new deal had the same types of people making the same arguments against it as this new one does. Yet, that original New Deal created the greatest period of prosperity this country has ever seen.
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MikeRuth said:
I bet Kodak thought that as well in 1998 but a few years later they were out of business, due to digital cameras. Oil and gas, dairy, and the meat industries are headed for the same surprise. We will boondock with electric vehicles when the time comes not an issue we have to adjust so we will.
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There have of course already been vandwellers and RVers with electric vehicles. Wayyy back in the 1900s and 1910s, most vehicles on the street were electric--which did not stop people like the Tin Can Campers Club.
Electric cars are not some brand new 21st century novelty. They've been around for well over 100 years.
Electric cars are not some brand new 21st century novelty. They've been around for well over 100 years.
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Alas, in the United States in the 21st century, EVERYTHING is so insanely ideologically hyper-partisan, even in simple matters of plain ole ordinary science or history, that it has become virtually impossible to discuss ANYTHING rationally.
Which is why our society is fundamentally (and perhaps irreparably) broken.
Which is why our society is fundamentally (and perhaps irreparably) broken.
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Yes America is doomed as well, I forgot to mention that. It is just part of the cycle, Constantinople, Rome, Antwerp, France, Spain, Britain, America,,,, the big question is where will the center of the world go to next, where are all the artists, intellegent people immigrating too, where is there a stable government with a good source for producing food. That is where it will end up. Historically that is where it went perhaps this time it will be virtual??? Who knows,
To the extent that the nation focuses on renewable energy and provides incentives for solar and wind energy generation, I think this would be good for vandwellers. I say this as a general comment and not in response to any particular bill introduced in Congress.
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