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TravelingZombies

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My thermostat in my truck has been "broken" for a couple years now. It is frozen in the half open position and I still get really good heat from heater but my truck never even comes close to running hot, during hot weather my temperature gauge says it's in the low normal range. Should I bother fixing it, leave it alone or buy the parts and carry them in case I need it?
What would you do?
 
Your engine likes to run at a certain temperature. Running too hot is obviously very bad. But also running cool over long periods of time can also be bad. Temporarily you're ok. But thermostats are cheap and easy to replace. I would change it out.
 
I'd change it, but I'd make sure I had a new thermostat housing on hand due to the age of your vehicle.
 
simple item, I would take the time to fix. worth it in the end :)
 
Buy a new thermostat, and watch a youtube video on "how to replace thermostat on ABC ( your car model) .
It is fairly easy and cheap, not worth the risk of running without it.
 
Yes, replace it.  Take your time and do it right.  Make damn sure it's seated properly and not backwards.  If any of your hoses need replacing this is the time to do it.  No point in having to breach your cooling system more than often than necessary and early replacement is far better than a breakdown.  If you can, try to fill the engine up with water & coolant as much as possible before you put in the thermostat.   Air trapped in the system can cause overheating so make sure it is all out before you start driving around.  Some manufacturers have a valve to bleed off any excess air.  When I did this I made sure the heater valve was open, disconnected a heater hose at a high point and filled the radiator.  Air in the system would flow out of the heater hose and be replaced with coolant.  When the radiator was full or the heater hose overflowed, I then sealed the low point and completed filling through the high point.  Once all the air was out I sealed everything up, ran the engine till it reached operating temperature while checking for leaks.  Once the engine was cool enough I would double check the coolant levels.  Sweating the details always pays off.
 
It's now fixed and running smoothly. My next task when I return to home base in October is to remove my catalytic converter and got it. Unfortunately there's nothing hooked up to the converter electronic wise since my truck is 33 years old and confirmed with muffler shops that getting it isn't going to hurt anything. It'll give you the appearance that I still have the converter although they'll be nothing inside and in my state there are no emissions control standards or inspections. (Washington state)
 
TravelingZombies said:
It's now fixed and running smoothly. My next task when I return to home base in October is to remove my catalytic converter and got it. Unfortunately there's nothing hooked up to the converter electronic wise since my truck is 33 years old and confirmed with muffler shops that getting it isn't going to hurt anything. It'll give you the appearance that I still have the converter although they'll be nothing inside and in my state there are no emissions control standards or inspections. (Washington state)
Why would you want to do that?  Is it blocked?
 
TravelingZombies said:
It's the original catalytic converter from 33 years ago and it does impede some of my power.
If it is not actually clogged, don't remove it before considering the possibilities.  Yes it may restrict the exhaust to a degree, but a lot of engines are designed to run with a certain amount of back pressure to allow scavenging and for the EGR system to operate.  33 years old puts it in a era where automotive engineers understood how to work with, not in spite of, smog systems.  Second guessing automotive engineers with college degrees who build cars for a living is a risky thing. I used to work at a shop that did exhaust work.  A customer came in and insisted on oversized exhaust system for his truck.  He didn't remove the catalytic converter just stepped the pipes up to 2" from 1.5"  My boss wrote up the work order with the clause "work performed at customers request".   When the job was finished the truck would not idle.  The engine was designed to run against a certain amount of back pressure.  The shop only did as he asked so the customer had to reinstall the original system at his own expense, and he had to pay for the the failed job too.   My boss gave him a discount to ease the sting, but it was his idea and we just did as told.
I'm not saying you will have the same problem if you remove the cat, but you might.  
Here is the problems you will have, no if ands or buts, your exhaust is going to be really dirty, not killing the whales and unicorns dirty, more killing yourself dirty.  If you ever park in cold weather with the engine running there is a chance that you may not wake up next morning.  Cause of death, carbon monoxide poisoning.  Even just constant low level of exposure will make you prone to pass out on the road and cause brain damage from lack of oxygen.  Once CO gets in your blood it likes to hang around and restrict the amount of oxygen that can be absorbed.  All those people who die in fires from smoke inhalation, that's what I'm talking about. 
Any one sitting behind you in stopped traffic will hate your guts.   If you are trying to stealth camp people will smell your exhaust from a great distance.  It's disgusting when someone up wind of you lights up a charcoal grill with way too much lighter fluid. Ever sit next to some one with a bad case of gas on a long bus trip/airline flight?  You know those guys who are bad neighbors in campgrounds?  This is might be your opportunity to be that guy.   Of course if that is your destiny, who am I to to question the will of god?  

There are other options, less restrictive high performance catalytic converters are available or a catalytic converter for a much larger engine.  Since the laws are loose in WA you don't have to buy a new cat.  You can have used cat installed, just confirm it's not clogged by shining a light through the honeycomb before you put it in.
There is another thing you can try, CRC Guaranteed to Pass fuel supplement has a reputation for clearing up limited carbon build up in catalytic converters.  You could pour a bottle of that into your tank on your way back to WA and see if there are any, unnatural, restrictions to be cleared.  If nothing else your fuel system will appreciate it.
All of this is just my take on the issue.  You have some time, give it a good think.  Buy all means get other opinions.  It's your vehicle, your health, (your funeral?) your choice. (yeah you could say I'm pro choice)  Lol     I have no dog in this fight, at least not till you want to camp next me.
 
I found a shop that'll give me a new converter installed for $200. Getting it fixed before I head out again along with other issues that developed on our trip. Better safe than sorry.
 
TravelingZombies said:
I found a shop that'll give me a new converter installed for $200. 
Damn! that's a really good deal!  What's the name of the shop?  I'm not going to drive there for work, but if I'm ever in the neighborhood and ...
 
My guess is it's what they call a "small universal converter". They are not model or make specific but in most cases work fine. Either that or a stolen one, LOL. Highdesertranger
 
The name of the shop is Kitsap muffler, it's for a converter specifically made for my truck but because my truck so old and there's no electronics whatsoever hooked up to it it's cheaper. And they are known to do some other than acceptable work by the authorities shall we say LOL
 
''fixed'' is great for future travels :) good move on all you do to take care of your vehicle and yourself!!
 
TravelingZombies said:
The name of the shop is Kitsap muffler, it's for a converter specifically made for my truck but because my truck so old and there's no electronics whatsoever hooked up to it it's cheaper. And they are known to do some other than acceptable work by the authorities shall we say LOL
As long as everything up stream runs right it should be trouble free.  $200 is a good deal, but keep it a one time fix.  Misfires causes cats to clog.  If you ever have a rough running condition in the future don't wait for the problem to go away.  The sooner it's fixed the better the chance of saving the cat.  You will also keep your fuel mileage up.  People who think they can't afford to pay for needed repairs are the sort that die from cancer because of procrastination.  So, live long and prosper.
 
In the past 6 years I've sunk over $12,000 into repairs and upgrades. The fact that my rig is 33 years old has been both beneficial and a hindrance in regards to repairs. For example.
1. Drive lines were both replaced but they had to be custom made since they're not made anymore.
2. Not even the dealership could find a replacement alternator so I had to upgrade.
Catalytic converter is the original one from dealership, so replacing it is probably needed. Being an older vehicle with no emissions sensors makes it cheaper.
Have to replace lower ball joint on drivers side and need to remove steering knuckle, as well as an alignment which I have lifetime alignment for my truck.
My dad once told me the cheapest part about a vehicle is buying it.
 
I once had a towing company and did some repairs. My most regular repair customer was an independent heating oil dealer. I couldn't count the number of times I told him that his 1970 GMC truck was worn out and needed to be replaced. His answer was always that he couldn't afford a new truck. One day when I told him how much his latest repair bill was he told me that I saved him so much money, as just the year prior to meeting me he had spent $60,000 on repairs at the dealership. SIXTY-THOUSAND dollars! Fixing his old truck was a false economy....if he'd stopped doing it and bought a new truck he would have been far better off as his repair bills were exceeding the monthly payment on a new one.
 
TravelingZombies said:
2. Not even the dealership could find a replacement alternator so I had to upgrade.
Next time you have that problem there is another option.  Some auto electrical shops rebuild starters and alternators on site.
 

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