Shingles

[magentawave]

It appears your statement is correct - I searched VAERS and 10k results resturned:
https://www.openvaers.com/vaersapp/...v_textsearch=both&foreign_cc=0&covid_only=Yes

Each report requires about 30 minutes to do and hospital staff don't have time to do that. (Estimates are that only 1% to 10% of vaccine adverse reactions actually get reported to VAERS.)

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

The risk of getting shingles from a Covid shot is minuscule - less than .1% when compared to people who didn't get vaccinated- according to this study of over 1 million people. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35470920/

Would this be the same government that told us that there were no health worries from exposure to Agent Orange?
Some of us don't believe our government, especially about health.

 

[Overland One]

It appears your statement is correct - I searched VAERS and 10k results resturned:
https://www.openvaers.com/vaersapp/...v_textsearch=both&foreign_cc=0&covid_only=Yes

I had the first 2 covid jabs, my daughter forced me to get them. The 2nd one made me seriously ill for a week and, to this day, my right elbow locks up and I get a painful snap when I straighten it all the way out. I never had anything like that prior to getting jabbed in that arm. I had a high fever and had trouble breathing and I had all the normal flu type symptoms except these were worse than I ever had. I have not been to a doctor (except the dentist) in over 25 years and I never get the flu (Only had it twice in my life) even when others around me have it. I am very fortunate to be in very good health. All the docs I saw when I was in high school and college are all dead now so I have no primary care Doctor and do not want one. I also hate they are taking money out of my SS for part B which I will never use. I am not taking any more vaccines of any kind. I never had a flu shot before and I will not do it again ever. So, no for me on the shingles vaccine. If I get it, I get it. I'll take my chances. PS I never reported my adverse reactions to anyone as there was no one to report it to.

 

[talcon]

Not sure if you've heard of Master Mineral Solution (MMS) or Chlorine Dioxide Solution (CDS) for treating shingles (Herpes Zoster)? Here are testimonials:
https://mmstestimonials.co/herpes/shingles-herpes-zoster-cured-in-three-days
https://mmstestimonials.co/shingles

It is cheap to make at home - here is more information https://stopworldcontrol.com/cds/
more information and instructions here at Jim Humble's site also: https://jimhumble.co/important-facts-regarding-mms
Praying for your quick recovery!

Hi Geeneus - in addition to my suggestion above, I'm also aware of DMSO being used to alleviate shingles - links to more information:
https://herbalmana.com/blogs/herbal-mana-blog/using-dmso-for-shingles-pain-relief
https://www.rxlist.com/dmso_dimethylsulfoxide/supplements.htm

 

[john*thomas]

I had it a few years ago. Yours looks like a really bad case. It can be really bad. Mine was across my chest and all and all I was pretty lucky as it wasn't so bad. Felt like when you pull something in your back when I breathed but was tolerable.

 

[Cajunwolf]

I had Chickenpox in the late fifties or early 60s, I don't remember now, but it's why some folks end up with Singles; it's the same virus. I got my first case of Shingles when I was 17, that was in 1969(?), and I had a case every other year, if not every year, until the vaccines came out. They lasted two to three weeks. The first vaccine worked half the time and didn't really stop my Shingles, but it made them half as bad. A few years back, I took a newer vaccine, and I haven't had them since. I'm funny about medication and do a good deal of research before I take it unless it's a well-known medician for specific problems. There are helpful vaccinations I have taken or will because they have been proven over the long run to work. Big medician is no different from any other big industry and therefore have a profit motive for themselves or shareholder; healing, at times, is counterproductive; understand this, and don't be a freaking sheep. I've never had a flu vaccine, and I've never had the flu, ever. As a child, I had Chickenpox, hence the Shingles, but I got vaccinated for measles. I have not and will not get the COVID vaccine; too much bovine excrement surrounds that one for me to have faith that it's in my best interest. I don't do anything in the best interest of the collective, I'm an individual, and I do it for me. Others can make their own decisions, and that's what true freedom means. Just use common sense that makes sense to you.

 

[MotorVation]

I deleted my post so the moderators wouldn't have the pleasure of doing so.

 

[Cajunwolf]

I deleted my post so the moderators wouldn't have the pleasure of doing so.

If you have to worry about censorship, you no longer live in a free country. The left and right wings of politics are nothing more than minority fringe elements that tend to be loud to silence those who disagree with the ideology that they are compelled to push, and nothing more. Saul Alinsky coined the phrase "useful idiots" to describe them. I run in the middle of the political spectrum because we all have more in common than we know, and one needs to fight just as hard for the rights of those we disagree with as those we do, within reason. Seventy years of life experiences and a good education have taught me this. As to vaccines, good or bad, it is a personal choice, and one should consult with their personal doctors, if you trust them, when making the choice. I don't know about the rest of you, but the last 3-years have taught me never to blindly trust someone just because they wear a lab coat or suit with letters before or after their names.

 

[Happy Camper]

How is it so many people don't understand the difference between rules on a forum or app and censorship?

If you make your own forum and set rules, then you get to handle those that don't follow those rules. That isn't censorship, that is you taking care of a problem.

 

[user 29855]

I had my vaccination a couple of years back, two doses, 4 weeks apart, and got it at Walgreens.

I’ve heard this is very painful, also that people have gotten it in their eyes and been blinded, so it is nothing to mess with.

Get well soon.

Thank you very much. I appreciate your kind thoughts.

 

[user 29855]

I think Marge makes a good point and everything mentioned makes for a better healthy body. I feel physically avoiding people worked for me but it seems humans have managed to destroy the natural environment that made all these things more effective for us to stay healthy. Now we have been overwhelmed by the amount of diseases and toxins around us in this toxic environment that have made preventive medicines and vaccines for most, if not all a necessity. When the air and life forms all around me are stressed to a point they become diseased or toxic it is time to consider any advantages modern medicine has to offer in my opinion. Yes I am trusting other humans who are prone to make mistakes or even intentionally do harm to me for the benefit of the majority but if I survived being a uninformed test subject in the military while receiving close to a hundred shots and vaccines I figure at least in this country there is some pretty good oversight, although far from perfect it has the health of the majority in mind in my opinion, so yes I roll up my sleeve and try to avoid situations that cause disease to spread. Being raised in a country where I was raised you do what is best for the majority even if it harms you is why I enlisted in the military and why I still take the recommended shots, but that’s just me, everyone makes their own decisions. Asking one person isn’t the same as a statistical study, just so you know.

I'll just say this. Folks were getting shingles over a hundred years ago, and probably longer than that. It can happen anytime. Just because your mama broke her back right after you stepped on a crack in the sidewalk doesn't prove relevancy.

As far a "studies" go, it would be helpful to learn how to evaluate a study. Often, the original purpose of a study can foretell the results. Studies "Measuring the increased risk of shingles after Covid vaccination." and "measuring the decreased risk of shingles after Covid vaccination." could produce different results based on the bias of the researchers. The size of a study, and the politics involved also can sway results.

There are studies proving the earth is flat and that man never stepped on the moon. They are also backed by evidence.
My ex-wife once said, "There are alternative sets of facts." while we were having a lively discussion regarding politics. This level of misunderstanding is at the core of many folks forming opinions based on their original bias.

Folks, there is only one set of facts. Many theories, but only one set of facts. If the internet existed when I was a child, my parents would never have allowed me to receive the Polio vaccine, and Polio would still be a prevalent danger.

 

[user 29855]

It appears your statement is correct - I searched VAERS and 10k results resturned:
https://www.openvaers.com/vaersapp/...v_textsearch=both&foreign_cc=0&covid_only=Yes

Here is a great result of a study. There are absolutely no controls over those reporting "adverse" effects. Also, various fact checking groups have found problems with the way people search results and the reporting of those searches. Yes, this was set up by the CDC. No, it's not controlled by the CDC or any regulatory body.

Any time you get your results from a single or a few sources, you owe it to yourself and to those with whom you share your thoughts to review the source. Just do a google search "review of openvaers"

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

 

[dreamrunnerjt]

I have had shingles, a small patch about the size of a baseball, and they hurt like hell. I also got the jab two days ago. I have a sore, warm arm. No where near the pain of the shingles break out.
One thing that I have not seen discussed in this thread is that shingles are contagious. It is the chicken pox virus and you need to isolate during the time you are having a break out.

 

[Overland One]

I have had shingles, a small patch about the size of a baseball, and they hurt like hell. I also got the jab two days ago. I have a sore, warm arm. No where near the pain of the shingles break out.
One thing that I have not seen discussed in this thread is that shingles are contagious. It is the chicken pox virus and you need to isolate during the time you are having a break out.

https://www.cdc.gov/shingles/about/transmission.html#:~:text=Transmission Well according to the CDC, people with shingles can not give them to anyone else. This says it is left over in the body of people who had chickenpox. I am not a Doc and I am not saying one way or the other, I am simply pointing out what the CDC has to say about transmission. People can follow up with their own research if they like.

 

[user 29855]

https://www.cdc.gov/shingles/about/transmission.html#:~:text=Transmission Well according to the CDC, people with shingles can not give them to anyone else. This says it is left over in the body of people who had chickenpox. I am not a Doc and I am not saying one way or the other, I am simply pointing out what the CDC has to say about transmission. People can follow up with their own research if they like.

Well, that's not entirely correct. You can't give shingles to someone else, but you CAN transmit the chickenpox virus to someone, who will likely develop shingles in the future. The complete CDC statement is below, taken directly from the cdc.gov website:

Quick Facts

• You cannot get shingles from someone who has shingles.
• People get shingles when the varicella zoster virus, which causes chickenpox, reactivates in their bodies after they have already had chickenpox.
  
  
  Shingles is caused by varicella zoster virus (VZV), the same virus that causes chickenpox. After a person recovers from chickenpox, the virus stays dormant (inactive) in their body. The virus can reactivate later, causing shingles.
  Most people who develop shingles have only one episode during their lifetime. However, you can have shingles more than once.
  If you have shingles, direct contact with the fluid from your rash blisters can spread VZV to people who have never had chickenpox or never received the chickenpox vaccine. If they get infected, they will develop chickenpox, not shingles. They could then develop shingles later in life.
  The risk of spreading VZV to others is low if you cover the shingles rash. People with shingles cannot spread the virus before their rash blisters appear or after the rash crusts.
  People with chickenpox are more likely to spread VZV than people with shingles.

Shingles is caused by varicella zoster virus (VZV), the same virus that causes chickenpox. After a person recovers from chickenpox, the virus stays dormant (inactive) in their body. The virus can reactivate later, causing shingles.
Most people who develop shingles have only one episode during their lifetime. However, you can have shingles more than once.
If you have shingles, direct contact with the fluid from your rash blisters can spread VZV to people who have never had chickenpox or never received the chickenpox vaccine. If they get infected, they will develop chickenpox, not shingles. They could then develop shingles later in life.
The risk of spreading VZV to others is low if you cover the shingles rash. People with shingles cannot spread the virus before their rash blisters appear or after the rash crusts.
People with chickenpox are more likely to spread VZV than people with shingles.

 

[user 29855]

Please note that I posted this topic originally just to let people know what happened to me. It was not do start a long serial debate about vaccines, public or government information or mis-information, or whether stepping on a crack will break your mothers back.

Maybe the moderators could consider terminating this thread before it devolves into ugliness.

 

[Cajunwolf]

As mentioned, I've had shingles multiple times before getting the vaccine; twice, the first one didn't work; I'm a rare case. And yes, you hurt like hell and are miserable with Shingles. They affect one side of the body; it's a crap shoot, and in my case, predominantly the right side of my chest. I don't wish it on anyone.

As mentioned, Shingle's are the reactivation of chickenpox as the Shingles for some of us who had chickenpox as a child. Not everyone who had chickenpox as a child will develop shingles as an adult. Yeah, you might be able to develop shingles from contact with the affected area, it's extremely rare, but one can get run over playing in traffic; at some point, common sense has to come into play. Just my two cents worth...

Maybe the moderators could consider terminating this thread before it devolves into ugliness.

@Geneeus
No, it was a good and informative thread. You don't often hear about shingles, so not many people know anything about it. The moderators here know their job.

 

[Overland One]

Well, that's not entirely correct. You can't give shingles to someone else, but you CAN transmit the chickenpox virus to someone, who will likely develop shingles in the future. The complete CDC statement is below, taken directly from the cdc.gov website:

Quick Facts

• You cannot get shingles from someone who has shingles.
• People get shingles when the varicella zoster virus, which causes chickenpox, reactivates in their bodies after they have already had chickenpox.
  
  
  Shingles is caused by varicella zoster virus (VZV), the same virus that causes chickenpox. After a person recovers from chickenpox, the virus stays dormant (inactive) in their body. The virus can reactivate later, causing shingles.
  Most people who develop shingles have only one episode during their lifetime. However, you can have shingles more than once.
  If you have shingles, direct contact with the fluid from your rash blisters can spread VZV to people who have never had chickenpox or never received the chickenpox vaccine. If they get infected, they will develop chickenpox, not shingles. They could then develop shingles later in life.
  The risk of spreading VZV to others is low if you cover the shingles rash. People with shingles cannot spread the virus before their rash blisters appear or after the rash crusts.
  People with chickenpox are more likely to spread VZV than people with shingles.

Shingles is caused by varicella zoster virus (VZV), the same virus that causes chickenpox. After a person recovers from chickenpox, the virus stays dormant (inactive) in their body. The virus can reactivate later, causing shingles.
Most people who develop shingles have only one episode during their lifetime. However, you can have shingles more than once.
If you have shingles, direct contact with the fluid from your rash blisters can spread VZV to people who have never had chickenpox or never received the chickenpox vaccine. If they get infected, they will develop chickenpox, not shingles. They could then develop shingles later in life.
The risk of spreading VZV to others is low if you cover the shingles rash. People with shingles cannot spread the virus before their rash blisters appear or after the rash crusts.
People with chickenpox are more likely to spread VZV than people with shingles.

I agree and that is exactly what I said the CDC claims in the link I provided. I hope that you recover quickly from your case. One thing everyone I know who has had it agrees on, is it sure is not any fun having shingles.

 

[tx2sturgis]

And with that, I'm closing this thread.

Thank you Geneeus for sharing your experience, but you are right, the thread has served it's purpose and is now closed.