Others would disagree. Want more, do it for yourself.
*** is certainly reinforced by evolution, and so is a mother's love for her children. Those are obvious. Falling in love between a man and woman; that's the one that is contrary to human evolution.
Myself and every person that wrote those articles are just wrong. Gotcha’. Psychological evolution is a part of ‘standard‘ evolution. You might disagree if you are are of the opinion that Woo-Woo is real, that there is a ‘deeper, separate‘ aspect to life.
Yourself and the authors of the articles you've linked don't have a rational logical argument, that I've seen... you just take it for granted like a religious belief.Myself and every person that wrote those articles are just wrong. Gotcha’. Psychological evolution is a part of ‘standard‘ evolution. You might disagree if you are are of the opinion that Woo-Woo is real, that there is a ‘deeper, separate‘ aspect to life.
Not being a woman I can’t speak to what one’s love for children is like. I can say that I was startled by the intensity of the emotion I felt upon the birth of my daughters. You seem to agree that such is evolutionary in nature. (I’ve heard that human babies are so cute because that prevents the parents from eating them?) Then WHY do you find it such a stretch that male/female (female/female, male/male) love is identical in origin? THAT has to be a special case? Because of YOUR analysis of the situation?
The difference between materialism and a religion? Materialism is based on objective reality and religion is based upon belief without facts/evidence. I would disagree somewhat with the quoted definition (I’m supposing you used copy/paste after checking the actual definition) is that materialism will readily accept a phenomena previously thought to be non material based (Woo-Woo) if evidence is provided. Religious people stick to their beliefs in the face of almost any evidence to the contrary. Dogma. just definitions though, we can’t discuss religion. And ‘true love’ is NOT religion.Materialism according to Oxford: "The doctrine that nothing exists except matter and its movements and modifications. The doctrine that consciousness and will are wholly due to material agency."
I guess it is a religion...
Materialism is a doctrine, like religion. It isn't proven and is in fact unprovable. Continuing to believe in it when there is evidence to the contrary, isn't objective or scientific. Many things can be explained by consistent relationships of matter and energy and evolution... but many cannot. It would be foolish to shoehorn everything into that box. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
That has never been true in history. It isn't even that common now. People don't fall in love, have a baby, then go spread their genetic material elsewhere. People have always predominately lived in tribes and communities with strict codes of behavior, and life-long arranged marriages as the norm. Disparate societies all over the planet figured this out! Thousands of opportunities for evolutionary experimentation, and they hit on the same formula for survival and success with little variation.
Parents splitting up is devastating to the kids; it also causes chaos in the community. Remember that in most of human history we lived in fairly small tribes. Issues needed to be resolved; you couldn't just leave... since there was nowhere to go. The tribe was much more than your family, it was your identity. Our present day freedom in this regard was not the norm. Keeping order, peace, happiness, etc in the community was vital to survival.
Materialism is rather the approach of science. Prove it. Can you see it? Can you detect it with an instrument? Often it can be predicted but only found at a later date. Is it repeatable? Is there a consensus of peers?
This happens extremely frequently. Colloquially called ‘cheating’. Surnames can’t be reliably traced through Y-chromosomes because the baby can be given a name but the chromosome doesn’t lie. Somewhere around 50% of marriages end in divorce. And you can’t honestly say that there aren’t many more that would like to do so but stay for monetary, or other reasons.
Being ’devastated’ by breakups is the modern consequence of divorce. Let moms try to protect and provide for the baby at the same time and the rate of morbidity will increase.
Just cut to the chase then…
I don't know. Neither does anyone else.
The dogma is the belief that if something doesn't meet all these criteria, then it doesn't exist. That is obviously an extreme and unverifiable position... ie dogma/belief.
You don’t know, but reject explanations of those that study such phenomena.
There are questions as to whether or not, or to what degree, other animals experience such. Note that ‘other animals’ is significant because hunans are just another animal. Some animals appear to experience life-long ‘falling in love’. It’s known as monogamy. Others, such as humans, are not biologically monogamous. Humans are considered to exhibit monogamy from a social standpoint.
Those small groups had that problem. The ancient goat herders knew that such cases existed. Made rules about it that involved throwing stones at the violators until dead. Very enlightened group of humans. And you would assume that this phenoma of cheating didn’t just suddenly ’happen’ at that point in time. This had been going on for a while. The earliest marriages can be dated to about 4000 years ago, (when the goat herders started their book) so humans got along just fine for a LONG time without marriages. It’s thought that ‘arranged marriages’ existed about 10 times longer than the first recorded one. But these weren’t about ’love’, much less the “special sort‘ you believe in.
BUT YOU KNOW IT CAN’T BE A RESULT OF THE PHYSICAL WORLD WE LIVE IN!
Those aren't "explanations" just parroting of beliefs.
It's hard to tell what an animal that is vastly different than us is experiencing. They may not feel love similar to us, but rather follow programming with little emotional engagement. Humans have a much freer range of expression than most animals. We aren't really "biological" anything that you can pin down when it comes to behavior. Or maybe the programming ends up having a lot of diversity, depending on circumstance as well as conditioning.
Marriages were mostly likely arranged for as long as they've existed... and way before written history. I'm confused about the "4000 years ago" vs "10 times longer" statements.
I never said it was new, rather it's probably been a thing for 100,000 years or more.
Let’s just restart the conversation from the original opening post so there is no confusion.So, about love.
Appears to be much more views than comments on my other thread, and so maybe the title is appealing and deserves a deeper content?
Let's see if another more serious thread has any value.
There are many aspects to love, from internal emotions on to corresponding external realities.
For those reminiscing, some personal thoughts on to be in love again that might stir some more discussion.
I have been fortunate in my life, discovered, learned, savored, blinded by, lost, been foolish, assessed, been depressed, extended sadness, experienced, contemplated much, beyond the level of a country heartbreak tune. Like most of us have. All good things must come to an end.
And this is my current attitude and perspective.
If you can't be, with the one you love honey, love the one you're with. Sounds like a song, lol.
Sort of, but with a twist. If love isn't in the cards for the moment with a special someone, focus on a love for life, the moment, and those around at any moment in time. It's not about what you don't have/lost, but your attitude and focus with what you do have, experience, move forward with.
And for those negative people and situations, why bother? Move on as quickly as possible from Downers, life is too short and precious to waste. Or as I like to say, run like hell. Far away from, and towards better, more positive aspects of life and others.
Some have decided to become crotchety curmudgeons as they age and nothing but contrarian, difficult, jaded and negative. Someone I know would say to that, if I become that way, shoot me now! The truth in that always makes me laugh.
For those who are solo, how do you address the issue of love, attitude, focus and perspective? Or anything else?
Love is all we need.
And a van, with unlimited boondocking.
And a motorcycle.
