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I'm a little concerned that some of the places where you would want to go may not allow an electric bike on the trails. The ADA has guidelines for access to trails but each entity can ban alternative mobility devices by claiming that using one will  cause problems. http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/titleII_2010/titleII_2010_regulations.htm#a35135 

 Calling a few places and asking seems like a logical idea but we've found that the person who answers the phone is often uninformed and you will not get a good answer.  The best thing to do is go and see in person.  I'd hate to see you spend a lot of money on something that you can not use as you wish.
 
rvwandering said:
I'm a little concerned that some of the places where you would want to go may not allow an electric bike on the trails. The ADA has guidelines for access to trails but each entity can ban alternative mobility devices by claiming that using one will  cause problems. http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/titleII_2010/titleII_2010_regulations.htm#a35135 

 Calling a few places and asking seems like a logical idea but we've found that the person who answers the phone is often uninformed and you will not get a good answer.  The best thing to do is go and see in person.  I'd hate to see you spend a lot of money on something that you can not use as you wish.

You know, that's a point I had not considered much. I was thinking of it this morning, and the next time I see my pulmonologist, I would take a letter for him to sign.  AND I will study the ADA and call the help line.
The part you pointed out (thank you so very much!)
§ 35.135 Personal devices and services

This part does not require a public entity to provide to individuals with disabilities personal devices, such as wheelchairs; individually prescribed devices, such as prescription eyeglasses or hearing aids; readers for personal use or study; or services of a personal nature including assistance in eating, toileting, or dressing.

note "This part does not require a public entity to provide to individuals with disabilities personal devices..."
I am not asking the entity (park, trail, exhibit, museum, zoo, etc) to provide the machine.
I would have my own. Many places provide manual wheel chairs, not helpful at all for me. SOME few provide a very limited number of scooters.

I haven't looked at the ADA for a long time, so can't quote chapter or verse, but entities are required by law to provide accommodations, and I would be asking for them.

As a quick overview, here's a bit of info. I have to look into it further: I won't go into much here
"Public entity." The term "public entity" is defined in accordance with section 201(1) of the ADA as any State or local government; any department, agency, special purpose district, or other instrumentality of a State or States or local government; Section 35.105 establishes a requirement, based on the section 504 regulations for federally assisted and federally conducted programs, that a public entity evaluate its current policies and practices to identify and correct any that are not consistent with the requirements of this part.
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Paragraph (f) provides that a public entity may not place a surcharge on a particular individual with a disability, or any group of individuals with disabilities, to cover any costs of measures required to provide that individual or group with the nondiscriminatory treatment required by the Act or this part. Such measures may include the provision of auxiliary aids or of modifications required to provide program accessibility.
...
Section 35.150 requires that each service, program, or activity conducted by a public entity, when viewed in its entirety, be readily accessible to and usable by individuals with disabilities. The regulation makes clear, however, that a public entity is not required to make each of its existing facilities accessible ({35.150(a)(1)). Unlike title III of the Act, which requires public accommodations to remove architectural barriers where such removal is "readily achievable," or to provide goods and services through alternative methods, where those methods are "readily achievable," title II requires a public entity to make its programs accessible in all cases, except where to do so would result in a fundamental alteration in the nature of the program or in undue financial and administrative burdens. Congress intended the "undue burden" standard in title II to be significantly higher than the "readily achievable" standard in title III. Thus, although title II may not require removal of barriers in some cases where removal would be required under title III, the program access requirement of title II should enable individuals with disabilities to participate in and benefit from the services, programs, or activities of public entities in all but the most unusual cases.
There's probably more, I'll look later.

Yours is a valid caution. Again, thanks. According to the ads at the electric bike sites, not many people use them.
A bike, especially inside, would turn heads and cause questions. With my O2 tank attached and a letter from my physician, hopefully there would be no problem.

The shape of MY medical aid is different. A wheelchair is different from a cane, a scooter is different from a bike. All are mobility devices. I had a mobility dog for several years. She was never denied admittance, though we did have to wait at one museum. I finally asked the dude his name, and the name of his Superior so I could file a complaint for violation of the ADA. Lo and behold, the door swung open. (He had already seen my papers.)

A bike may cause a problem even though I would have a small one.

Just came across this:
§ 35.137 Mobility devices.

   (a) Use of wheelchairs and manually-powered mobility aids. A public entity shall permit individuals with mobility disabilities to use wheelchairs and manually-powered mobility aids, such as walkers, crutches, canes, braces, or other similar devices designed for use by individuals with mobility disabilities in any areas open to pedestrian use.
   (b)
       (1) Use of other power-driven mobility devices. A public entity shall make reasonable modifications in its policies, practices, or procedures to permit the use of other power-driven mobility devices by individuals with mobility disabilities, unless the public entity can demonstrate that the class of other power-driven mobility devices cannot be operated in accordance with legitimate safety requirements that the public entity has adopted pursuant to § 35.130(h).
       (2) Assessment factors. In determining whether a particular other power-driven mobility device can be allowed in a specific facility as a reasonable modification under paragraph (b)(1) of this section, a public entity shall consider—
           (i) The type, size, weight, dimensions, and speed of the device;
           (ii) The facility's volume of pedestrian traffic (which may vary at different times of the day, week, month, or year);
           (iii) The facility's design and operational characteristics (e.g., whether its service, program, or activity is conducted indoors, its square footage, the density and placement of stationary devices, and the availability of storage for the device, if requested by the user);
           (iv) Whether legitimate safety requirements can be established to permit the safe operation of the other power-driven mobility device in the specific facility; and
           (v) Whether the use of the other power-driven mobility device creates a substantial risk of serious harm to the immediate environment or natural or cultural resources, or poses a conflict with Federal land management laws and regulations.


Yours is a thoughtful and much appreciated comment.
 
The place I went to to paint a few days ago required a county permit. I told the Ranger I did not have a scooter at that time, but was planning to get one. If I did would I be able to use it there?
His response was that he would meet me at the site to open the gate, and they would consider a permanent change in that gate so others could also use their scooters. I was not thinking of a bike at that time.
 
akrvbob said:
I had an electric bike for while and I could easily keep it charged with 200 watts of solar. I'm a pretty heavy power user and it was not a problem.
If you don't have solar then you'd want to charge it while you are driving.
Bob

How was it for going uphills without pedal assist?
 
Ella1, you have the heavy hitters giving you some good information. You seem like you have researched this well, I suspect you will work it out fine. The Rangers I have spoken to about using a scooter have ALWAYS been helpful. One did tell me if I got stuck it might be awhile before they came to assist. I would be totally embarrassed if they had to helicopter me and my scooter out.

I will bow out of your thread now, I hope you find wheels that will serve you well. And just going to some of the sites Bob posted would be a good place to start.

Best to you and travel safe...

Thanks for your words and your encouragement. I'll be looking into these bikes and probably a trailer, too.
Ella
 
Ella1 said:
How was it for going uphills without pedal assist?

My electric bike was the cheapest I could find to check it out ($500) and it was still very, very good on hills! The problem is that doing that too much would eat the battery. But again, it was very heavy and a lead acid battery not lithium so a mid-quality electric bike (about $1500) would work extremely well.

My thought for you would be a trike, like the ones with a basket in back and then convert it to electric with a front wheel kit. Just a thought.
Bob
 
Thanks.
Trikes are tippy, and heavy. I'll be looking for a 20" wheel bike, maybe one that can come apart.
I found a second dealer near here.
There's a lot to consider with these.
bike, overall size, weight, ground clearance, adjustibility,
brakes
battery, drive range, temperature, incline rating,
pedaling-
My present bike is a 20"one I was given by a garage sale in1998 so they could get rid of it.
They even put it in my car for me. Self propelled. 2 wheels, a frame, coaster brakes,
a white straw basket, and tassels!
I finally bought it a comfort seat.
It could go up any hill I could ride or push it up.
Since I can't deal with weight, an electric bike will have to be dependable, and go up steep hills.
Maybe 30 degree incline.
 
I started this search after a trip to a canyon to paint. The parking area was on the rim, entry was by either one of two steep hills. The one I used was "broken" into a few steep sections w/ a couple of not so steep (not level, either) spacers. By the time I got to the bottom, I was too tired to go further. Fortunately a couple of runners pulled my cart back up, and I painted at the rim.
The other way down was steeper, I think.
 
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