Rust pictures, and a 1991 Ford Econoline E 150

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Solitary Spell

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Hey van experts,

Two separate issues/vans in my quest for a van. Shopping in New England with a $3-5K budget. 

I am looking at Astro vans, Chevy Express vans, and earlier Ford Econolines (before the spark plug issue which I learned about here).

I spoke to the owner of this 1991 Ford high top. 

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Somehow it only has 50,000 miles and he said it's because the original owner ran a mobile pet grooming biz out of it so she didn't put many miles on it (hmmmm, maybe). It looked super clean in the pics and he said it had no rust (maybe the groomer stayed home when it snowed). It had new tires all around and a new battery, that was all he could tell me that was replaced. He's only had it for a year and was using it to sleep in the casino lot (he's a poker player and financial planner, go figure). I actually googled his name and he really is an apparently respected financial planner. He offered me the name of his mechanic who checked the vehicle over and thinks it's great. He said I could have it looked at by a different mechanic if I wanted to (I would). He is a 3 hour one way trip and he offered to meet me at the train station and return me there if I didn't buy it. All this sounds just wonderful, but he wants $5,000 for it and it's a 1991. Is it even possible for a 1991 to not have dry rotted rubber and etc? And is the 1991 Ford E150 6 cyl engine the 8th wonder of the world? He won't budge on the price. Should I even be thinking of this as a viable option? 

The van has shore power external plug and outlets inside and is a cargo van inside, which is nice because then I can build it out the way I want. It has a silly 5,000 btu airconditioner mounted in the back of the high top which I don't like, I'd want to take it out but I'd have to then patch the hole. I just wouldn't use an a/c (at least i don't think I would). Can't get this silly van out of my mind.

#2 van

Then  there's this rust issue Astro.rust.1.jpg

on a 2001 Astro cargo van, white and perfect looking inside/outside, with 130,000 miles on it that my mechanic shop has had in its fleet of rentals (for when people have to leave their vehicles for repair, they offer cheap rentals). I spotted the van in the lot and asked if they might be selling it, they said they might be but they want "between $3500 and 3800" -- that is more than twice the blue book value. I crawled underneath and of course there is rust. The picture I took of some kind of joint where the rust is all crackly is the most worrisome. I would not buy it unless I took it to another shop for a second opinion on the whole van and on the rust. But even though this is a fleet-maintained vehicle how can they justify that price? Is blue book just a guideline anyway? Astro vans seem to go quickly on Craigslist but comparable condition/mileage go for $2000 - 2500K around here. Any feedback would be appreciated!

Please keep in mind that I am thinking of this purchase as a "starter van" to set up and try out vandwelling. I'll go camping in it and I can even try some stealth in my local area before I really go all out. I'm worried mostly about being able to find campground host jobs. I would love to move into a van and stick around my local area and save up an emergency fund before going for real. And I could do that...a few people in the forum suggested I move into my car first, but I know myself and realize that won't work for me. Thanks for reading this rather long post!!
 

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Just to give you an idea, I paid $1600 for my 1998 Hi-top econoline E150 conversion van ! it was all rusty, but engine run great. I have redone the body, with help of a friend, but I am far from $5000 yours a 1991 really too expensive to me ! I must mention reliability of ford econoline afe good.

Your 2nd option is what I would choose (althought standard height for these van would be an issue for me) if your not in a hurry, I would wait until a better offer come up !

good luck !
 
Sounds to me like Mr. Financial Planner didn't budget so well at the poker tables recently and has to make up his lost nut...because $5000 for that is just nutz imo.
 
Hmmm......
About the Ford,

Max budget $5,000
Rust free bodies DO demand a premium price
Low Miles aren't always a good thing
High tops that aren't worn out and beat are hard to come by
New tires are worth about $1,000 if they put on the proper weight load units

May we assume you have funds above the $5,000 to build the interior and make repairs?
Yes, 25 year old rubber is nearing or at the end of its life span.
Flexible brake lines, oil seals, hoses, fuel lines, vacuum lines, etc
can all be expected to fail or should be renewed soon.

$5,000 is high, but with new tires it is only $4,000.
If the body truly is rust free, proper rust repair by welding in panels is at least $2,000 (probably a lot more)
The price starts to become not so bad .........

If you have two Vans to choose, one runs great but the body is a rusty mess and the other runs like crap with a perfect body.
The perfect body is most often the better and wiser long term purchase decision.

Mechanical is easy and cheap to fix by comparison to never sleeping rusty Cancer.

Dave
 
For comparison, I bought a 2002 GMC 2500 Savana with the high top already in place - complete with small holes all over the roof btw.

I paid $3,500 for it in Sept. 2014. That's Cdn btw, which means nothing except that our prices tend to be higher than yours.

I ended up with a new battery immediately ($125.), 4 new tires ($800.) and $1,500 to the guy who does all my bodywork and mechanical repairs.

He did all the rust spots which were all below the lower character line, stoneguarded the bottom so we didn't have to paint the whole vehicle, painted the front grill and the rims for me and did a thorough mechanical check including replacing belt and idler arm adjuster on the belt.
 
djkeev said:
Hmmm......
About the Ford,

Max budget $5,000
Rust free bodies DO demand a premium price
Low Miles aren't always a good thing
High tops that aren't worn out and beat are hard to come by
New tires are worth about $1,000 if they put on the proper weight load units

May we assume you have funds above the $5,000 to build the interior and make repairs?
Yes, 25 year old rubber is nearing or at the end of its life span.
Flexible brake lines, oil seals, hoses, fuel lines, vacuum lines, etc
can all be expected to fail or should be renewed soon.

$5,000 is high, but with new tires it is only $4,000.
If the body truly is rust free, proper rust repair by welding in panels is at least $2,000 (probably a lot more)
The price starts to become not so bad .........

If you have two Vans to choose, one runs great but the body is a rusty mess and the other runs like crap with a perfect body.
The perfect body is most often the better and wiser long term purchase decision.

Mechanical is easy and cheap to fix by comparison to never sleeping rusty Cancer.

Dave
Thanks you all, very very helpful comments! Yes, I do have the modest extra budget for the unfancified interior build. I think I'll keep waiting for something better to come along. :-(
I had to laugh at the poker player comment!
 
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