Responsible Canine Camping

[mayble]

i didn't realize this thread was RTR specific
if so, delete my posts since they'd be "off topic" - we won't be there

 

[Headache]

I see a trainer on TV using a rattle can to discourage behavior in a dog during training sessions.  Are they any good for off leash encounters?

It's really not good practice at any time.  The dog is being taught to fear a rattle can to distract it.  What would you do if you are going to paint something with a rattle can?  It's always best to deal with the inappropriate behavior directly without using gimmicks.  It takes longer but there is much less fear involved in doing so.

 

[Headache]

I'm talking about using bear-spray on an off-leash dog that someone finds annoying.  There is a massive difference. 

I specifically described exactly what this thread is about to try and avoid it being hijacked.  PLEASE don't distract from my intent.

 

[Headache]

I think it is kinda sad that anyone even had to post this type of message.  I mean isn't it common sense?

 Thank you for the kind words.  Unfortunately humans either invent new ways to be irresponsible or attempt to show how superior they are.  In this situation I've dealt with both.  The guy I went to talk to told me I could leave because he was here first rather than be a responsible neighbor. 

I don't care what kind of BS someone thinks they know.  The fact is that LEASHES ARE REQUIRED and no group, clique or clan suddenly pulled that rule out of their rear.  If someone chooses not to follow it I don't give a rat's behind but if something happens in my camp I'll make damn sure the offending party takes responsibility including claiming their camp if that's what will get the point across.  I'm losing patience very quickly with this kind of immaturity.  This is why rules get created!

 

[Headache]

Not to start anything, but if it's irresponsibility on the owners part, why punish the dog?

Because in this area most of the owners think their little Fifi is a complete angel,  think they live in some kind of no man's land with no rules or think someday pulled the rules out of thin air and they don't have to comply,  or combinations of them. 

IOW if you chat with the owner the typical resolution to them is to do nothing.   If you get after their dog they suddenly come to the realization you want the issue handled. 

I won't hide.  They do see me coming.

 

[Headache]

because she annoyed you

 Just pointing out for those who skip over that this is not what the thread is about.  However, it's a good example(as was your post claiming bear spray is lethal without posting any proof of that) how emotions get the best of even the most objective pet owner.  

The resulting twisting of facts of the original issues and others being unnecessarily hurt by what was being said(some of which wasn't even relative) is why I started this thread and I was targeting a specific kind of dog owner. Do you fit the description?

 

[VanKitten]

I guess the message concerning bear spray has been lost.

Let me make it clear.

By announcing that any dog that come "at" my kitten without being a leash will be sprayed...what I was doing was called "deterrent". That is....when I put myself in the other persons shoes...I think.."wow, I will keep control of my dog so it doesn't go over there!" Thereby, I never have to use it...because I will never be put into that position by an absent dog owner forcing me to choose between that dog and my kitten. Get it?

Knowing I have it (and I do) is all it should take to ensure the safety of my kitten and any dogs. And it is! My kitten has met nose to nose with a few dogs....dogs on leashes....dogs that were controlled. Kitten likes dogs....as long as they don't chase, leap at her, or make aggressive moves. An owner on the end of the leash ensures this....and, btw. My kitten is on a leash ... always.

Finally, I didn't move into someone else's space. Even without a kitten, I wouldn't do that.

 

[jimindenver]

This should not be a thread of tit for tat. It should be a place where people can come to a understanding. A place where people can see the opposite point of view. I wish no harm to any pet and certainly not my own. PnolenS is my friend and he and Lacy have known Max since I got him. The dogs love to romp and play together, something I would miss along with our friendship.

 

[Headache]

I can't believe this is happening again.  this happened last year right before RTR.  one more threat either way will get the poster in trouble.  highdesertranger

 Sorry HDR but I had no idea this occurred before.  However,  it was an issue here and has nothing to do with RTR.

Responsible owners should not have to pay for the inattention and poor training of others. If my words are considered a threat I apologize because they were not meant to be and I spelled out specifically the parameters under which I made this thread. 

For those who might think is only related to RTR it is not.  This is for any campsite, land, property,  etc. where leashing is required.

Again, I don't care if a dog is on leash or not unless the dogs owner just let's it run around behaving inappropriately. THAT is the issue and subject of this thread. Please don't think poor of me because of the distractions.

 

[tx2sturgis]

 One is not aggressive but can and has doused portable solar panels high enough that you know it isn't the smaller ones. 

I happen to know where you can buy solar powered fence chargers that could be attached to the metal frame of a solar panel on the ground!

 

[geogentry]

I happen to know where you can buy solar powered fence chargers that could be attached to the metal frame of a solar panel on the ground!

Ya know I had the same thought.  I just didnt know about the solar part.

 

[tx2sturgis]

Ya know I had the same thought.  I just didnt know about the solar part.

Oh yeah.

Any farm and ranch, feed supply, Tractor Supply, and you can order them online. 

You don't need it for 25 miles of fencing, a small one rated for 1 or 2 miles would do it. 

Insulate the panels off the ground of course. 

Should not take long for 'trespassing' dogs to get the message.

 

[geogentry]

highdesertranger

Sorry from me also. I did not think this was about RTR either. (as the OP points out in a later post it is not) I saw it as a discussion about camping etiquette.

Quote: "and I have already received a request by someone to close their account over this thread"
Really? I don't understand - not at all.

 

[Charlotte's Web]

...Should not take long for 'trespassing' dogs to get the message."

A word or two re solar powered electric fence wires:  In order to be
effective, animals must be 'taught' to respect the electrified wire.
I have used this system on my farm for years for sheep/horses. Untrained
dogs that charge or leap quickly thru the wire will receive little or no
shock, & may tear down the wire.

Sheep (& other farm animals, including horses) are *taught* to respect
the 'hot' wire by luring them to it with a morsel of food. Once an animal
has been shocked they usually respect the wire.  

Caution: a downed wire can be a fire hazard if it falls onto dry grass.
Not a likely scenario in the desert, but good to be aware of this.  After
years of using 'hot' wires I dropped the practice during the dry season
because of fire danger.

  Charlotte

 

[tx2sturgis]

I think a large dog pissing on the electrified aluminum solar panel frame will teach it all the respect it needs to learn!

 

[Charlotte's Web]

I think a large dog pissing on the electrified aluminum solar panel frame will teach it all the respect it needs to learn!

Texas, now all one must do is teach 'trespassing' dogs to piss on command. 
BTW, enjoyed your (unsurprising?) reference to 'call girls' in above recent comment...

And I am supposed to imagine you blushing.

 

[BoJim]

'Make some noise - yelling, whatever
Make some noise, flap the arms while yelling
[yes I know the noise would not work with your Lacy but the waving and flapping of the arms would - again dogs are not stupid and really don't like crazy looking humans]
Move slowly towards the dog making shooing motions '

Why should we have to do this? Don't care if dogs are off leash but if the owners can't control them with voice commands then leash the animal. If they don't like the rules then they can move on down the road a bit. BLM land is pretty big. Shouldn't be a problem.

 

[geogentry]

you dont HAVE to do any of it.  Eventually someones dog is going to show up in your camp.  Some owners do not think this is a problem even if you do.  Will you then injure the dog to solve the problem?  And just how do you propose to get the owners to just move on down the road?  If your talking this taking place at the RTR then yes there are rules that are indeed enforceable.  There are sadly 50 other weeks of the year though.

 

[akrvbob]

Note to self: remember to only camp alone other than RTR.

Camping with me will be by individual invitation only and won’t be with the group at Ehrenberg. Apparently I’m not welcome there. 

That’s fine with me, the more alone time the better.

 

[tx2sturgis]

That's crazy talk....well, it's a BIG desert. Lots of room!