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I'm looking for a 1996 or newer high-top: ideally in silver; otherwise white with some decals.  I really like blue, but it is harder to cool.  I know this sounds a little silly, but I don't like to spend lots of money on something if I don't like its color. I would prefer a 2-year ownership history: firstly, pet dander decomposes in about that time and I am allergic to cats & dogs; also, short-term ownership often indicates someone trying to ditch a lemon ("we don't need it because the kids grew up" doesn't happen in 11 months).

I found a 1999 Ford with 108k miles (4.6 L V8) asking $2800, about 3-4 hours away. It looks good in the pictures. It's been in the Rust Belt it's entire life, but that's where conversion vans were / are most popular.

The seller's LinkedIn demonstrates a responsible white-collar career. He has returned my calls.

The cons are that he's only owned it a couple of months: claims to have traded it for a motorcycle. In the ad, he states "Second owner with all the original paperwork". He also says that it was used for a business, probably real estate. But CARFAX says 4th owner, so either he's lying or some of the transfers involved the same individual, i.e., swapping ownership between his business and himself. The actual breakdown is 1 year "Corporate fleet", 12 years lease, 3 years personal, then sold to the current owner in November.

The seller said he'd contact the previous owner about pets, but apparently hasn't; he didn't even send me the VIN without my calling back to bother him; he said he has locals interested and I'm 3 hours away. I told him I'm serious and would like to send a deposit by PayPal if he'll work with me.

I have identified a mechanic in his area that does thorough inspections (including compression tests).  The price is right.   But I am concerned about a) pets and b) potentially lying to me about the ownership history and therefore who knows what else.

I'm not seeing a lot of vans posted that meet my specifications, and I really need to get this done quickly; the time I'm spending on this is negatively impacting my work performance. I could always buy a different van later, and it would probably be easier if I could drive to look at vans without incurring hotel costs. I would also be willing to spend more after I had some experience successfully stealthy camping in my town.

I think that given the CARFAX issue I will have to insist on a mechanic's inspection, which I might have been willing to skip otherwise (given the low price). But he might not agree if he's got other interest. I am willing to pay a deposit before he does the inspection; it's probably the only way to be competitive with local buyers.

Advice?
 
You don't specify in the OP if  the van is a high top and if you like the color.  If it is, and you like the color for that price it's worth it to drive and look at it.  Take cash with.   For something that low of a price if you know anything about vehicles/maintenance you could probably just look it over well, test drive it, and see how it feels. 

If it meets your criteria and seems fine you should probably jump on it for that price.  Just know that vehicles that age and price are probably going to need maintenance done.
 
Yeah, the vehicle is a white high-top; otherwise I wouldn't consider it.

The problem with "just look at it" is that it's too far away for me to check it out on a weeknight, and it will probably be sold by the weekend unless I do something now. I was thinking of skipping the inspection until the CARFAX came back with (potential) discrepancies, But I do care whether it's going to need a new engine, transmission, and front suspension immediately.
 
I offered a nonrefundable deposit and to pick it up on Saturday and pay his asking price if he would take it by for an inspection, and he refused.

In some cases, I'd be willing to go through without an inspection at that price, but not after (possibly) lying about the number of previous owners.

He has my number if he gets tired of tire-kickers.

And it's really probably closer to 4 hours away; an 8 hour round trip in the middle of the week is not practical for me.
 
Well for the record, CARFAX lists my current car as having 3 previous owners, which is not true. I moved states, and my current state falsely reported a new owner when I registered the vehicle.

That does not apply to the van, which has been registered in the same state since 1999. But the point is that states sometimes say things which confuse CARFAX.
 
The supposedly 108k miles on this is troubling to me. Usually fleet and lease vehicles are extremely high mileage.

That tends to make me wonder if either the speedometer was replaced, or it was a lemon so spent very little time on the road.

Just be careful on this one... Since the last owner has only had it a very short time...
 
Offgrid, it looks like the first owner put 33,074 mi on it by 2000, then it was sold. That's consistent with the seller's "I have records since it was 2 years old" statement.

But thanks for the support; I don't feel right about proceeding without an inspection, and the owner's refusal to facilitate that is a huge red flag. Now in the future, I might go with a mobile mechanic per your suggestion so that it isn't as much of an issue, but not right now.

In general, I'd prefer that the current owner have owned it for at least 2 years, both for mechanical reasons and because of my pet allergies.

I'm going to give up on this one for now; maybe see if he feels different next week.
 
Here's another prospect:
https://knoxville.craigslist.org/cto/5393378195.html

I think it's overpriced: any other views?
Does that mid-top look shorter than other popular conversions, or is it just of a more uniform barrel shape rather than having a high central tower? I know I won't be able to stand up in a TV top, but I need the added space.
 
I think the top is about the normal height, but just with a more uniform shape.

I'm in a bind: I need a van which is presentable on the outside due to my job and plans to park in upscale areas, and I need something very clean on the inside due to allergies. But I'm going to have a really hard time cutting into a more expensive van like this, especially as a first build, and especially before I find out whether I can get away with sleeping in this area.
 
ascii_man said:
Offgrid, it looks like the first owner put 33,074 mi on it by 2000, then it was sold.  That's consistent with the seller's "I have records since it was 2 years old" statement.

But thanks for the support; I don't feel right about proceeding without an inspection, and the owner's refusal to facilitate that is a huge red flag.  Now in the future, I might go with a mobile mechanic per your suggestion so that it isn't as much of an issue, but not right now.

In general, I'd prefer that the current owner have owned it for at least 2 years, both for mechanical reasons and because of my pet allergies.

I'm going to give up on this one for now; maybe see if he feels different next week.
hey i think you are right to  wait and see on this one.   my papa taught me to "never buy a pig in a poke sack without looking at it first". i'd be interested in hearing what he says to the next prospective  buyer.                                                                                      peace out,  tjb
 
Off Grid 24/7 said:
Did you see this one?

https://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/5411046469.html

I think if I was looking for an immediate home so I could start saving money, I might consider one of these:

https://knoxville.craigslist.org/rvs/5343064966.html

https://knoxville.craigslist.org/rvs/5387023666.html

Thanks for the links: I did look at the 2000, but it's missing too much paint to look presentable, and the missing paint will quickly lead to rust & leaks in my climate. Also, I suspect it was used to travel to a beach house and probably already has interior corrosion. Maybe interesting at $2200 or $2700, but definitely not at $4700.

The others definitely fail the presentable appearance test, as well as being pre OBD-II, which is important to me from a maintainability standpoint. I know older guys who grew up jetting carbs will disagree, but that's not my background and I do have experience with OBD.
 
ascii_man said:
Thanks for the links: I did look at the 2000, but it's missing too much paint to look presentable, and the missing paint will quickly lead to rust & leaks in my climate.  Also, I suspect it was used to travel to a beach house and probably already has interior corrosion.  Maybe interesting at $2200 or $2700, but definitely not at $4700.

The others definitely fail the presentable appearance test, as well as being pre OBD-II, which is important to me from a maintainability standpoint.  I know older guys who grew up jetting carbs will disagree, but that's not my background and I do have experience with OBD.

Did you actually go look at that 2000?  In the pics it looks like all of  the missing paint is on the fiberglass trim which could easily be remedied with a can of spray paint or plasti-dip.
 
Off Grid 24/7 said:
Did you actually go look at that 2000?  In the pics it looks like all of  the missing paint is on the fiberglass trim which could easily be remedied with a can of spray paint or plasti-dip.

Good point; I meant that I "looked at" the pictures. It's more than an 8 hour drive away from me (I'm in the Midwest).
 
If you give me a town, I'll gladly do some searching for you!
 
ascii_man said:
Thanks for the links: I did look at the 2000, but it's missing too much paint to look presentable, and the missing paint will quickly lead to rust & leaks in my climate.  Also, I suspect it was used to travel to a beach house and probably already has interior corrosion.  Maybe interesting at $2200 or $2700, but definitely not at $4700.

The others definitely fail the presentable appearance test, as well as being pre OBD-II, which is important to me from a maintainability standpoint.  I know older guys who grew up jetting carbs will disagree, but that's not my background and I do have experience with OBD.

So you prefer OBD-I?  I'm very familiar with OBD-I on Fords (EEC-IV) and find it preferable to OBD-II in some ways.
 
29chico said:
So you prefer OBD-I?  I'm very familiar with OBD-I on Fords (EEC-IV) and find it preferable to OBD-II in some ways.

No, I meant that OBD-II is a requirement for long-term ownership for me; it's more standardized and probably more informative (I don't know a lot about OBD-I). I would only buy a 1995 or older vehicle if it were intended as a cheap proof-of-concept.
 
Off Grid 24/7 said:
If you give me a town, I'll gladly do some searching for you!

Thanks, but I have tabs open with searches which pretty much cover everywhere within in a decent driving distance from me, and I refresh at least daily.

gcmap


I recommend the Great Circle Mapper at http://gc.kls2.com/

I'm pretty good at searching, but more interested in feedback on specific vehicles.
 
Interesting.  While my minivan is an OBD-II vehicle, which certainly helps on the complex integrated systems, for my E150 I specifically wanted PRE-OBD.  I like the simplicity of the older vans, and they can often be jerry-rigged to limp home or to a shop if a failure occurs.  The newer electronics simply leave you on the side of the road dead when they fail.  I am dealing with a fuel system failure now on my mother's 2001 Sable, that has NOT thrown an OBD-II code of any kind.  I think I know what's wrong, but the fix ain't cheap.  Still trying to locate the affected part on the car.  If this had happened on the 1988 E150, I'd have it fixed inside an afternoon.
My old Navy Seniorchief always told me, "Electronics will fail at the worst possible time!"  He literally wrote the Radar Course book they used in Navy Radar "C" School, and in ten years of military electronics work, and twentyfour years in IT, I have found his words quite true.
 
I learned the hard way about the unreliability of newer vans. The more electronics they have, the less reliable they become. Experience has taught me that 70' & 80's vans are the best built and the most reliable.
 
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